VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[noturiah]

I don't hate the direction Ivy has taken, but I do miss the old Ivy to a degree. The Ivy that had a soft spot for Perry, because of his stutter, the Ivy that found Wade attractive, before she learned of his ties to Cindy. Back when she wasn't necessarily manipulative, but was genuinely trying to help Lena and Holly out, even if we as the players knew most of Ivy's suggestions aren't for the best they were at least coming from a place of good intent. To some degree how Ivy treats Lena and Holly could still be viewed through that lens, but the more recent chapters do bring that sentiment under more scrutiny.

I think you phrase this very well, and reading it I'm realizing I agree with you. While I loved the "slutty Holly" montage of phone photos Ivy shares with Lena, the fact that Ivy seemed to be mocking Holly behind her back to Lena - for following Ivy's own directions! - didn't sit well with me. Ivy bossing Holly around because of her own idea of what's sexy and fun, so she wants Holly to experience that too, is what I thought we were seeing for the last half-dozen chapters or so. Now I'm less sure. I'm thinking of Ivy in some variants of the conversation after the shower scene in ch11, telling Holly that she's jealous Holly "prefers Lena." I took that as joking around, and Lena does too, but maybe Ivy was being more honest there?

When Lena finds out Ivy has been seeing Axel socially and having him shoot photos of her and push her portfolio to Wildcats, the player can get Lena a Will point if Lena believes Ivy has had no ill intent by not telling Lena about it. That doesn't mean Ivy doesn't have ill intent - as ffive mentions, there are long-running suspicions of Ivy's motives on our forum - but it does mean that Lena not being suspicious of Ivy benefits her (and us, in the game). When Ivy is paying attention to Lena's feelings, which does happen occasionally, she can be quite tender. At the same time she's brutal to Lena about sleeping with Mike if Lena has been sleeping with him. It's canon that Ivy is hooking up with him regardless, so it's not like she sleeps with him to hurt Lena, but it can be difficult to read her dialogue there without thinking some part of Ivy is enjoying making Lena feel small for possibly having feelings for Mike. So I do wonder if Ivy might be changing some, starting to get a little hard and cruel.

If that's the case, my guess might be that the hinge moment is getting passed on by Wildcats, which is also unable to change because of a player's decisions. As I've said before, if Ivy's motives in general have been mostly unclear, the one thing it's obvious that she unequivocally wants is to model with Wildcats. Axel may or may not really be trying to help her, and any version of Ivy is going to set Cindy as her nemesis for getting the job, but is Ivy starting to take out her frustrations from not getting the gig on her friends, on Lena and Holly? I do wonder.

 

[SearingFive]

Yeah, i believe Ivy is still mostly acting with some mix of carefree attitude and Lena's good interest on mind, but i also wonder if there's maybe a bias at work here, where she believes "the best" for Lena is to be with Ivy, and she works to such effect. Like, someone joked a while ago that Ivy is dragging all Lena's partners down so she seems like the best option... and maybe that's not entirely just a joke after all.

Das me who stated that.

 

[vvvhhhhnnn]

I want to hear from slutty-version Holly about her experiences. She's weirdly passive in just going along with obviously-a-bit-creepy Ivy all the time on that path and if she's clever enough to be writing and quite introverted she'd definitely have thoughts and it's weird she never says anything about this massive lifestyle change. Plus Robert's an idiot and she'd notice, even if she liked the sex

 

[BlandChili]

I want to hear from slutty-version Holly about her experiences. She's weirdly passive in just going along with obviously-a-bit-creepy Ivy all the time on that path and if she's clever enough to be writing and quite introverted she'd definitely have thoughts and it's weird she never says anything about this massive lifestyle change. Plus Robert's an idiot and she'd notice, even if she liked the sex

I think it would be nice if Lena and Holly could communicate with each other more directly in regards to their sluttier pursuits. I'm hopeful something like that might come up with Mark, since on the route where they both get with him, Lena has to encourage Holly directly at a later point anyway. I'd like there to be some room for Lena and Holly to be explorative without giving in to Ivy's ideas entirely.

 

[Blurpee69]

I want to hear from slutty-version Holly about her experiences. She's weirdly passive in just going along with obviously-a-bit-creepy Ivy all the time on that path and if she's clever enough to be writing and quite introverted she'd definitely have thoughts and it's weird she never says anything about this massive lifestyle change. Plus Robert's an idiot and she'd notice, even if she liked the sex

A sluttier Holly was weirdly passive during Ian's half of the chapter, but that can be attributed to only really knowing and being interested in Ian. Likely an Ian that had already ignored her (big fuck you vibes most of their scenes together), until Lena arrives. Additionally, this version of Holly is browsing social media far more, and probably (s)texting Robert, Mark, and/or Clark, and definitely keeping in touch with Ivy; which will also take her attention away from the group.

I think for Lena's half, we'll get a lot more discussion out of Holly, as they both have a connection with Ivy. Lena will certainly want to discuss with Holly all of those texts she sent to Ivy, regardless of if Lena is slutty or not. And they're the most likely roommate pairing on this version of Holly, unless Holly is involved with Ian, but then this discussion is moot.

In fairness Holly does touch on it to some degree with Lena at multiple points in the prior chapters, and there is a short discussion with Ian and Emma when they're on the beach with the dog. So she has thought on it, but we as the players and as Lena, hadn't yet had the big reveal of Holly taking slutty selfies and sending them to Ivy; so there wasn't much to discuss from Ian's PoV.

 

[DeemLeem12]

All these talks of sluttier Holly but no mention of Marcel? I'm disappointed.

 

[Xupuzulla]

All these talks of sluttier Holly but no mention of Marcel? I'm disappointed.

I know,right?
Thats her endgame husband.

 

[Gicoo]

P.S. - Is anyone else just waiting for the dog to steal and bury someone's bikini? Just me?

Nah, he already cried about Emma going topless, he doesn't have the guts to steal it.

 

[ffive]

Lena will certainly want to discuss with Holly all of those texts she sent to Ivy, regardless of if Lena is slutty or no. And they're the most likely roommate pairing on this version of Holly, unless Holly is involved with Ian, but then this discussion is moot.

Either Ian/Holly or Lena/Ian will block that, so Holly is likely going to be sharing room with Emma (or Ian) on most playthroughs.

Not sure if anyone had Emma/Holly on their bingo card.

 

[BlandChili]

Either Ian/Holly or Lena/Ian will block that, so Holly is likely going to be sharing room with Emma (or Ian) on most playthroughs.

Not sure if anyone had Emma/Holly on their bingo card.

Some people might have had Ian/Holly/Emma or Lena/Holly/Emma on it, so there's those options.

 

[lucadiadis]

I wish some of EK's patreons suggested her to release an update every time a full day is complete for Lena and Ian. Yes updates would be much shorter, but more frequent too.

 

[lucadiadis]

(I write this but then I think: "hold on a sec, how many of the last updates do not last longer than a day ?")

 

[BlandChili]

I wish some of EK's patreons suggested her to release an update every time a full day is complete for Lena and Ian. Yes updates would be much shorter, but more frequent too.

I doubt that would be a popular take, even if someone did suggest it. Typically her fanbase is opposed to smaller, more frequent releases. The first time she suggested splitting the chapters in two, separating Lena and Ian's portions, it was quite solidly opposed by her paying customers. There's been quite a bit of dissatisfaction when she chose to split it up further with prologues and epilogues as well.

(I write this but then I think: "hold on a sec, how many of the last updates do not last longer than a day ?")

I think at least most, if not all, of the pro- and epilogues are usually just a single day/night cycle so far.

 

[ffive]

I wish some of EK's patreons suggested her to release an update every time a full day is complete for Lena and Ian. Yes updates would be much shorter, but more frequent too.

I suspect the writing involves a lot of going back and forth between the days as the plot lines are hammered out, and adjusting the content to match them, so it's probably not a good idea. Not to mention it'd make people complain about how the updates only last them five minutes even more than they already are.

 

[Yokanzo]

Is the Ian/Holly route worth it? In my latest playthrough I got a little too close to Lena but tried to keep it casual yet in spite of that Lena was pissed when Ian slept with Holly on the book trip and ended their association. Now I feel bad and wanna go back and not sleep with Holly.

I'd only be interested in a Holly route if she goes through a bit of a transformation and becomes sluttier, more outgoing. If she's mostly the same as always then it would be best a friendship forms with her an Ian instead.

 

[Nikko_]

The possible Ian-Jessica pairing is an interesting one because Jessica comes across as though she's perpetually depressed or harbouring resentment. Their dialogue hints at the possibility that she's put up a wall that Ian is slowly breaking through, as well as suggesting that the life that she once led wasn't all it was cracked out to be.

My only issue with it is that it doesn't seem as though they'd have enough in common for a serious relationship.

I'd prefer Ash and Natasha from GGGB as potential love interests, as they'd be both mature and well-rounded enough in terms of interests for someone like Ian.

For Jessica I'm just going to befriend her. To help her out with whatever she has going on. Then hopefully she can repay the favor by helping Ian with Ivy. Eva really needs to push that route soon cause I don't think the game will have many more chapters.
As of now, I think the best LI for Ian is Cherry. I initially liked Cindy better. But seems she is "playing games". In any case, Cherry was/is among my favorites.

 

[Gicoo]

Is the Ian/Holly route worth it? In my latest playthrough I got a little too close to Lena but tried to keep it casual yet in spite of that Lena was pissed when Ian slept with Holly on the book trip and ended their association. Now I feel bad and wanna go back and not sleep with Holly.

I'd only be interested in a Holly route if she goes through a bit of a transformation and becomes sluttier, more outgoing. If she's mostly the same as always then it would be best a friendship forms with her an Ian instead.

First, stay faithfully and don't play with Lena AND Holly. Lena is overprotective of Holly and loathes Ian if he play with her.
However, even then this can end in a threeway relationship later on, though it is currently still in the works. Also done by multiple ways.

If Ian dates Holly and Holly interacts with Lena and especially Ivy accordingly, Holly changes her hair, glasses, gives better blowjobs, sends nude etc. If Lena doesn't encourage Holly, she stays the same and has a innocent romance with Ian.
So yes, you can date a changed Holly. There is also the option to make her a slut. For that, Ian must not date her and he may get the opportunity to reconsider hsi stance towards her and date her much later, though this is speculative.

 

[ffive]

If Ian dates Holly and Holly interacts with Lena and especially Ivy accordingly, Holly changes her hair, glasses, gives better blowjobs, sends nude etc. If Lena doesn't encourage Holly, she stays the same and has a innocent romance with Ian.

There's also some instances where it's Ian who can encourage/push Holly to change, it doesn't strictly require Lena or Ivy's interference.

 

[BlandChili]

For Jessica I'm just going to befriend her. To help her out with whatever she has going on. Then hopefully she can repay the favor by helping Ian with Ivy.

I doubt Jessica will influence anything other than her own content. She has two states, so if she was needed to help Ian get with Ivy in return for him helping her out, the player would be forced to have Lena fuck Robert or Mike. I think Ian will be able to get with Ivy through his own abilities, his interactions with her so far have all been about impressing her in some way or other.

 

[Triepslay]

What are the choices or factors that change Lena's past btw?.