VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[mommysboiii]

I feel conflicted as I see you as one of the most knowledgable players of this game, yet on this I believe you are wrong.

Yes I get "right to the heart of the matter", which is that all the scenes anyone has fantasized towards the beach event did not happen. Instead we had:

- More Emma degrading, "oh yes oh you're such a slut lick my ass blah-blah".
- More Lena non-cuck, "oh yes you want to see me fuck someone else blah-blah".
- More Ian/Lena not swinging, "an MFM would be really hot blah blah".
- More Holly corruption, "oh yes I have become such a slut blah blah".

All utter rubbish.

You are a scientist of this game, yet like all scientists you don't see when things go wrong, in this instance that you are the expert of a game that is completely screwed and you don't see it. You're our own personal Faulci.

Damm mate you are just a hater easily one of the best games in VN

 

[Gicoo]

Besides Seymour and Axel, who would you guys say are antagonists in this game? Ivy and Jeremy? Or just Ivy?

Minerva started a bit as a counterpart for Seymour, a demanding boss that the MC has to juggle with.

Ivy could be seen as one if you squint your eyes and contextualize her actions as trying to drag Lena and Holly down on her level and destroy their ambitions and reputations, but not unlike Jeremy, she is just supposed to be the horny best buddy of the MC to encourage them to embrace their lust and desist from trying to get into healthy relationships.

Gillian still has to play her hand, though I suspect the effect she had on Ian wasn't as intended as it went and her remorse is genuine. Still, she and Mike could make some last minute drama. Mike in generally comes of as too nice, considering he has zero qualms about cheating on his girlfriend. But again, I suspect that's just a side-effect of having a generic walking dick for Lena to display her seductress qualities to take a taken man (the mans perspective on this doesn't matter).

Louise can unintentionally screw up Ian and maybe Lena's plans if they just toyed with her. Stan has a low chance of lashing out as well, if Lena and Louise bully him throughout the entire game.

Alison and Cindy may have a catfight if Ian strings them along while also dating Lena. Cindy competes with Lena and Ivy in their careers, Alison can babytrap Ian.

 

[DaLuke2]

Damm mate you are just a hater easily one of the best games in VN

Mate, I am as much of a hater as you are not a cuck, that tells a lot.....

It is not just one of the best games in VN, it IS the best...Except that most VN games are rubbish, I just hoped that this one would be the exception, and EK has decided it would not be.

 

[ffive]

I feel conflicted as I see you as one of the most knowledgable players of this game, yet on this I believe you are wrong.

I mean, i think it's a bit absurd to talk as if the event during which a lot of relationships (not just the trinity and Ian/Lena, but also plenty of others, including Axel, Cindy, Emma, Holly and Louise) can be advanced to new status... was of little consequence in a game which is, ultimately, about nothing but relationships, and as if none of these potential developments matter.

Yes I get "right to the heart of the matter", which is that all the scenes anyone has fantasized towards the beach event did not happen.

But what specific scenes people fantasized about for that beach event that did not happen? IIRC Ian gets to have sex with pretty much every girl who attends the event. Lena, similarly, gets to fuck the people game has established she'd sufficiently close with. There's a threesome you can have the game was building towards for a long time. You can even watch Perry's hairy butthole as he nails Emma, if that's your thing.

What is it that you think was desperately missing here and that people were fantasizing about, that wasn't on a level of delusion that's Lena getting shipped to Dubai?

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Minerva started a bit as a counterpart for Seymour, a demanding boss that the MC has to juggle with.

Ivy could be seen as one if you squint your eyes and contextualize her actions as trying to drag Lena and Holly down on her level and destroy their ambitions and reputations, but not unlike Jeremy, she is just supposed to be the horny best buddy of the MC to encourage them to embrace their lust and desist from trying to get into healthy relationships.

Gillian still has to play her hand, though I suspect the effect she had on Ian wasn't as intended as it went and her remorse is genuine. Still, she and Mike could make some last minute drama. Mike in generally comes of as too nice, considering he has zero qualms about cheating on his girlfriend. But again, I suspect that's just a side-effect of having a generic walking dick for Lena to display her seductress qualities to take a taken man (the mans perspective on this doesn't matter).

Louise can unintentionally screw up Ian and maybe Lena's plans if they just toyed with her. Stan has a low chance of lashing out as well, if Lena and Louise bully him throughout the entire game.

Alison and Cindy may have a catfight if Ian strings them along while also dating Lena. Cindy competes with Lena and Ivy in their careers, Alison can babytrap Ian.

I see, that's good to know. Though, I was curious as to whom the 'villains' could be considered to be, besides the two obvious bad ones. And yeah, I kinda forgot about Minerva: that's a good point.

I honestly see Ivy as an inherently bad influence not just for Lena but also Holly. I do get that she's a promiscuous, shameless party girl and...well, 'slut'. (idk what other word to use xD sorry) Especially since through Ivy, Lena (of her own volition) is able to do some fked up things, like taking drugs or smoking. Maybe as a side villain of sorts, through "moral corruption" side of things? She does push for Lena to go down the similar path of depravity. (ORS version of OnlyFans, dancing as a stripper at a club, encouraging her to sleep around, the aforementioned drugs and smoking, etc.)

Just my humble opinion though but Jeremy isn't as bad with Ian as Ivy is with Lena. Besides basically 'competing' with Ian to go after Allison, the guy (surprisingly) has lines he wouldn't cross and his own 'bro code'. Like, if your relationship with him is good, he'll refuse to have Lena do things to him at the 'after party'.

Jeremy's a fuckboy but he's not someone that's morally corrupting Ian that much. Worst thing he does is tells him to not tie himself down with Lena and instead keep fucking around. (Though that's probably the 'frat bro' thing rather than moral corruption necessarily)

 

[Blurpee69]

a level of delusion that's Lena getting shipped to Dubai?

Even in jest can we not? I'm not ready to read through 100 pages of crazy Dubai theories again.

 

[Turret]

They're not representative of her whole player base, but they are representative of the people that pays her bills. So it's probably a good idea to at least pay them lip service, no?

It is one thing to now and then make a poll with options for the patrons to decide. But letting your patrons dictate you your development cycle will never end well. Why do you think EK has so many burnouts, writing blockades, etc. like never before? She makes the mistake to let the patrons decide the development cycle.

 

[mommysboiii]

Mate, I am as much of a hater as you are not a cuck, that tells a lot.....

It is not just one of the best games in VN, it IS the best...Except that most VN games are rubbish, I just hoped that this one would be the exception, and EK has decided it would not be.

Stop this meme i am not a cuck

 

[varpep]

Even in jest can we not? I'm not ready to read through 100 pages of crazy Dubai theories again.

Don't worry mate. She has disappeared off the forum since Eva dropped the Seymour update. Some say she died of a broken heart (I jest but please don't mention her name. You just might summon her and that chick scares me lol).

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Stop this meme i am not a cuck

 

[Gicoo]

Though, I was curious as to whom the 'villains' could be considered to be, besides the two obvious bad ones.

The game doesn't focus on classical villains who are mainly there to interfere with the "heroes". Since the focus lies on the choices, Ian and Lena can avoid making antagonists/creating drama. They can ignore almost everyone and let everyone live in peace. Even Axel backs down if Lena ignores him.

Naturally, if Ian and Lena mess around with as many people as possible, they have several more issues and "antagonists" to confront sooner or later. Generally, the only one who doesn't back down and is the representative of the overarching plot is Seymour.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

The game doesn't focus on classical villains who are mainly there to interfere with the "heroes". Since the focus lies on the choices, Ian and Lena can avoid making antagonists/creating drama. They can ignore almost everyone and let everyone live in peace. Even Axel backs down if Lena ignores him.

Naturally, if Ian and Lena mess around with as many people as possible, they have several more issues and "antagonists" to confront sooner or later. Generally, the only one who doesn't back down and is the representative of the overarching plot is Seymour.

Makes sense. I wonder if it will be possible to keep Cindy away from Axel if Ian pursued her. It's pretty clear that she's not getting enough attention from Wade, so I'm curious if this would open up an alternative conflict with Axel, assuming he (Ian) did nothing with Lena.

 

[Gicoo]

Makes sense. I wonder if it will be possible to keep Cindy away from Axel if Ian pursued her. It's pretty clear that she's not getting enough attention from Wade, so I'm curious if this would open up an alternative conflict with Axel, assuming he (Ian) did nothing with Lena.

On the love path (and if Ian shows boundaries), she is less interested in wildcats and more aware of Axels advances, ultimately sticking to Ian.
There is also the path when Ian helps Cindy and Wade, which leads to a healthier breakup and Cindy still conflicted. Its possible she can steer away from Axel as well, maybe even getting back with Wade.
Else, she usually falls for Axels advances.

 

[Saerwen]

I see, that's good to know. Though, I was curious as to whom the 'villains' could be considered to be, besides the two obvious bad ones. And yeah, I kinda forgot about Minerva: that's a good point.

I honestly see Ivy as an inherently bad influence not just for Lena but also Holly. I do get that she's a promiscuous, shameless party girl and...well, 'slut'. (idk what other word to use xD sorry) Especially since through Ivy, Lena (of her own volition) is able to do some fked up things, like taking drugs or smoking. Maybe as a side villain of sorts, through "moral corruption" side of things? She does push for Lena to go down the similar path of depravity. (ORS version of OnlyFans, dancing as a stripper at a club, encouraging her to sleep around, the aforementioned drugs and smoking, etc.)

Just my humble opinion though but Jeremy isn't as bad with Ian as Ivy is with Lena. Besides basically 'competing' with Ian to go after Allison, the guy (surprisingly) has lines he wouldn't cross and his own 'bro code'. Like, if your relationship with him is good, he'll refuse to have Lena do things to him at the 'after party'.

Jeremy's a fuckboy but he's not someone that's morally corrupting Ian that much. Worst thing he does is tells him to not tie himself down with Lena and instead keep fucking around. (Though that's probably the 'frat bro' thing rather than moral corruption necessarily)

Male friendships are rarely toxic than a female one. Women are naturally competitive with each other other, especially for men. Everything is in subtlety.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

On the love path (and if Ian shows boundaries), she is less interested in wildcats and more aware of Axels advances, ultimately sticking to Ian.
There is also the path when Ian helps Cindy and Wade, which leads to a healthier breakup and Cindy still conflicted. Its possible she can steer away from Axel as well, maybe even getting back with Wade.
Else, she usually falls for Axels advances.

Sweet. Started a new playthrough where I (bravely and stupidly) intend on Ian sticking to one girl and I decided to go for that with Cindy this time around, even if there isn't as much content overall. Just to see the difference in dialogue if there is any. I noticed a difference in dialogue if Ian did not fuck around and decided to go after Holly. Which was interesting and (if you're into that sort of thing) rewarding as well.

Male friendships are rarely toxic than a female one. Women are naturally competitive, especially for men. Everything is in subtlety.

Depends on the man I suppose, I've known some that were just...'out there'.

 

[DaLuke2]

I mean, i think it's a bit absurd to talk as if the event during which a lot of relationships (not just the trinity and Ian/Lena, but also plenty of others, including Axel, Cindy, Emma, Holly and Louise) can be advanced to new status... was of little consequence in a game which is, ultimately, about nothing but relationships, and as if none of these potential developments matter.


But what specific scenes people fantasized about for that beach event that did not happen? IIRC Ian gets to have sex with pretty much every girl who attends the event. Lena, similarly, gets to fuck the people game has established she'd sufficiently close with. There's a threesome you can have the game was building towards for a long time. You can even watch Perry's hairy butthole as he nails Emma, if that's your thing.

What is it that you think was desperately missing here and that people were fantasizing about, that wasn't on a level of delusion that's Lena getting shipped to Dubai?

Ok, I am back from a party where I had faaaar too much vodka, and Bordeaux beforehand with the food, but out of respect for you specifically I will take the time to reply to everything, just let me switch to Heineken 0.0%.

- Not only did I not say that the beach event did not advance relationships, but I even wrote specifically that it was the only thing to take out from this update.

- You are right, this game is all about relationships. The problem is that, in practice, it is all about not completely setting up these relationships in five years, and never really implementing them. It is EK's trick to make more money, I doubt you have been to business school, otherwise you would know about the "frustrated expectation" strategy that EK has been applying by the book with her patreons. You never deliver exactly what you promised, yet you deliver JUST enough on your promises so your customers keep paying.

- Now we get to the "heart of the matter", which is your question: what is it that I think was desperately missing here and that people were fantasizing about ? Specifying that I was absolutely not a fan of Dubai, having lived in Dubai myself and having seen everything that could be seen there ?

Now, this is where it's going to be long, and this is where I am surprised - disappointed ? - that I have to mention it to you especially. Let's go path by path:

- On the Ian/Lena path: instead of the 100th fantasy "oh an MFM would be hot", the ACTUAL fucking MFM, for fuck sake.

- Or a fucking foursome with a couple met on the beach, i.e. the people Jenthe bothers on the first day (just for example)

- Instead of, on the following update a cheating scene Lena/Emma, a fucking loyal FMF scene Ian/Emma/Lena at the beach (honestly I thought this was a given, when I saw it did not happen and that on the following update Lena had to cheat on Ian to trigger the potential future threesome with Emma....Well, it just proves my point, EK has utterly lost her shit)

- Meeting a girl on the beach and Ian Lena having a threesome with her

- Finding a nudist section on the beach and going for an orgy

- Walking at night, finding a club similar to GGGB and exploring

- For those on the cuck path : at long last a real fucking cuck scene for fuck sake.

- For those on the slut path: a fucking quickie with a guy met on the beach.

- For those on the Harem path: a foursome Holly/Emma/Lena/Ian

I could go on for ever. This beach event was a shit turd, full stop.

 

[Gicoo]

Started a new playthrough where I (bravely and stupidly) intend on Ian sticking to one girl and I decided to go for that with Cindy this time around, even if there isn't as much content overall.

Once Ian and Cindy get together, they have content in every chapter, because Cindy is the most popular female character ignoring Lena. The love path is possible despite the odds stacked against it and rewarding, noticeable different on the lust path, when Ian and Cindy just fuck but don't get emotionally involved and may have other characters lined up. Cindy is also more inclined to Axel on that path, which Ian on one side dismays, but on the other side he knows he can't expect her to be loyal to him, since he isn't, either.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

I could go on for ever. This beach event was a shit turd, full stop.

How do you know it was a shit turd? Did you do a taste test on it?

 

[DaLuke2]

Stop this meme i am not a cuck

And I am King Charles. Look at me gardening.

 

[Joshy92]

All this teasing of cuck stuff with Lena is so annoying. Especially because the only reason I play the game is for that.