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Skylark21 is right.



I prefer playing as Lena: 49%
I like playing both equally: 34%
I prefer playing as Ian: 17%

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Hmm? I wasn't talking about Patreon.

seems that in the future games with male protagonist played by men will be rare and female protagonist games played by men will be common. There's a poll on this site that shows female protagonist games supassed male protagonist by votes. https://f95zone.to/threads/female-protagonist-vs-male-protagonist.23832/ It's peculiar to me because when I was a little girl boys mocked girls for playing with Barbie dolls. Today, men transition into women more via sex change. Times really changed.
Vocal minority just like people on this thread (including me) are a vocal minority.

Porn games are a business. I promise you, if most dudes wanted to play women first in AVNs, we would have seen an absolutely massive surge of such games because of the demand already.

A popular game genre appears and you instantly see a trillion copycats replicating the story and main gameplay loop. In any market where competitors can exist you're gonna see those.
 

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I know. I already explained why and Ian is mainly if he's in some scene with a female character or a part of a threesome and gangbang. Like I said, that thread is full of naked female characters, lesbian scenes and BBC.
Right, I could have left that thread out of my response, the example of this thread alone was enough.
 

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It seems that in the future games with male protagonist played by men will be rare and female protagonist games played by men will be common. There's a poll on this site that shows female protagonist games supassed male protagonist by votes. https://f95zone.to/threads/female-protagonist-vs-male-protagonist.23832/ It's peculiar to me because when I was a little girl boys mocked girls for playing with Barbie dolls. Today, men transition into women more via sex change. Times really changed.
Not that deep its just eye candy for men you wont see men playing otome games or with average looking women these tend to flop
 
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Honestly, you didn't get my post, and mentioning the fanart thread has caused all manner of havok. As a COUNTER POINT to the post I was replying to, it makes perfect sense....
No, even then it didn't make perfect sense.

Ian is a player surrogate for most dudes. That's why he's so "average" and so malleable. Because you can play him as wimpy or masculine as you want him be. He's a baseline, your own damn projection into the game. He's not supposed to win a popularity contest because he's your POV. Of course people will be more invested into the characters they get to fuck and romance in the game and of course those characters will be female. Fucking Sonia would be more popular than Ian if she was a legit LI.
 
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Be a whore with Lena. Simple as that.:BootyTime:
Turns out it was because i trash talked about the outfit, I just wanted to pick that option to rub it in Ivy's face, I'm not really interested in anything with Billy.
It doesn't happen or at least not yet, Even if they are in an open relationship and Lena makes a move on Jeremy he will turn her down
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It seems that in the future games with male protagonist played by men will be rare and female protagonist games played by men will be common. There's a poll on this site that shows female protagonist games supassed male protagonist by votes. https://f95zone.to/threads/female-protagonist-vs-male-protagonist.23832/ It's peculiar to me because when I was a little girl boys mocked girls for playing with Barbie dolls. Today, men transition into women more via sex change. Times really changed.
Majority of people who vote there didn't thought ahead. They imagine a man and a woman and obviously want to see the woman naked and have sex, not the dude. However, female MCs mean that most love interests are dudes. Lesbian scenes with girls are a minority and the only appealing character is usually the female MC. Now, they are ideally heavily customizable and that's certainly the appeal of those games.

Meanwhile, with a male MC, you have the entire world open to you. Every love interest will be female (bar the niche gay ones), hence among the most popular ones are harem/conquest/collection type of games.
 

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No, even then it didn't make perfect sense.

Ian is a player surrogate for most dudes. That's why he's so "average" and so malleable. Because you can play him as wimpy or masculine as you want him be. He's a baseline, your own damn projection into the game. He's not supposed to win a popularity contest because he's your POV. Of course people will be more invested into the characters they get to fuck and romance in the game and of course those characters will be female. Fucking Sonia would be more popular than Ian if she was a legit LI.
Ok, last post on this. Like the poster I was rebutting, you assume most people playing are roleplaying. It has nothing to do with how well written or maliable Ian is. I like him just fine as a character, but I don't imagine I am him or Lena, just like I don't pretend I'm 'insert title character for any AAA game' when I play, or Deadpool while watching... Deadpool. I hope that eases your mind.
 

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Roleplaying can be part of it, but doesn't have to. What's more crucial is to self-insert yourself in the sex scenes and relationship with the girls, regardless of if you play a faceless generic stand-in or a more fleshed out character with some personality.
 

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One way to do this is to really piss off Jeremy so he is no longer friendly with Ian, and Lena needs to be in cheater mode, or cucking Ian. Even if Lena is cheating/cucking Ian, Jeremy will refuse if he has even a few points of friendship. The dialog in the lastest update is kind of interesting if you get to this point. To do this you have to start very early with making Jeremy hate Ian, there aren't a lot of opportunities to be a dik to Jeremy.
 

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I keep asking these stupid questions but the choices in this game are hard to figure out and the guide is way too big for me, so can anyone please tell me how to get Ian and Lena in an Open relationship without any of them cheating or opening the relationship because they found out one of them cheated. Thanks in advance
 
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Ok, last post on this. Like the poster I was rebutting, you assume most people playing are roleplaying. It has nothing to do with how well written or maliable Ian is. I like him just fine as a character, but I don't imagine I am him or Lena, just like I don't pretend I'm 'insert title character for any AAA game' when I play, or Deadpool while watching... Deadpool. I hope that eases your mind.
I'm not assuming, I'm stating. :BootyTime: this baseline logic applies to almost all hyper popular genres like earth-dweller comic heros and nekketsu shonen MCs. Same reason Shojo manga have female MCs. Same reason minorities want some healthy level of representation in media. Being able to relate to MC and their situation is the most powerful way to tie the knot with a consumer.

This is doubly true for a porn game.

Self-inserting isn't roleplaying. Most people don't roleplay. Most people do self-insert in some fashion though.

My mind is now at ease. :BootyTime:
 

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Thats it thats the cuck update?

Literally anything but what the people want?
Who are these top donators who keep shoehornig these unesecary scenes into the game no one cares about, I havent seen anyone here who wants any of these except a few wtf?

Am I the only one who feels like they are intentionally ignoring what ppl want to stretch and milk it for all its worth?
Bloating it unnecessarily , it is what it is.

See ya Friends in the next update, Ill pass
 

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Thats it thats the cuck update?

Literally anything but what the people want?
Who are these top donators who keep shoehornig these unesecary scenes into the game no one cares about, I havent seen anyone here who wants any of these except a few wtf?

Am I the only one who feels like they are intentionally ignoring what ppl want to stretch and milk it for all its worth?
Bloating it unnecessarily , it is what it is.

See ya Friends in the next update, Ill pass
What would you like to have in this update? It plays at Billys mansion, so most of Lena's love interests are away. Some may appear on the third day in the next update.
 

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Thats it thats the cuck update?

Literally anything but what the people want?
Who are these top donators who keep shoehornig these unesecary scenes into the game no one cares about, I havent seen anyone here who wants any of these except a few wtf?

Am I the only one who feels like they are intentionally ignoring what ppl want to stretch and milk it for all its worth?
Bloating it unnecessarily , it is what it is.

See ya Friends in the next update, Ill pass
You can complain on patreon. Oh wait...
 
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Um, we do get some of them in the otome gaming community. Also, LGBTQ+.
The key word is some and usually not straight men

To stay on topic with the ORS case Ian is average compared to, say, Axel or Jeremy, and some men don’t like playing an “average” character even though Ian is arguably a better human being than both of them.
It’s also clear the game was written by a woman, since it leans into familiar tropes Ian as the “boyfriend material” guy, Axel as the toxic hot ex, Jeremy or Mike as the serial cheater you can try to tame… and so on.
On the other side, though, the options aren’t that diverse especially if you don’t want an open relationship or to be cucked.

thats why Lena pov is far more intressting at least for me to get glimps at the female fantasy while still being stimulated as visual creatures that we are as men unlike erotica novels or otome VNs
 
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