VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[mehGusta]

It seems that in the future games with male protagonist played by men will be rare and female protagonist games played by men will be common. There's a poll on this site that shows female protagonist games supassed male protagonist by votes. https://f95zone.to/threads/female-protagonist-vs-male-protagonist.23832/ It's peculiar to me because when I was a little girl boys mocked girls for playing with Barbie dolls. Today, men transition into women more via sex change. Times really changed.

i knew it! they were just jealous of us playing with barbies! they wanted it too!

 

[stuffygames]

Roleplaying can be part of it, but doesn't have to. What's more crucial is to self-insert yourself in the sex scenes and relationship with the girls, regardless of if you play a faceless generic stand-in or a more fleshed out character with some personality.

Roleplay and Self-Insertion to me represent the same thing, I'm not talking roleplay in the classical sense. Not many people here grew up on TTRPGs I would think, technology since the late 1980s far outpaces the kitchen table for gaming. Roleplay in my part of the world, and in my social circles is the same as self-insertion.

I am in the minority with Harem games I will admit, which many fans of porn games like. To me having every girl in the game world falling all over the mc is boring, and when people get seriously angry about the possibility of a pixel chad chatting up a pixel bimbo in their harem, it makes me worry about how they get on the real world.

 

[dolfe67]

i knew it! they were just jealous of us playing with barbies! they wanted it too!

Now we can play with realistic life-size dolls

 

[Gicoo]

thats why Lena pov is far more intressting at least for me to get glimps at the female fantasy

Ian provides the male perspective AND the female one through his vastly more fleshed out love interests.
Lena's female perspective has merit, but what her male love interests offer is abysmal.

Compare the recent introspective of Mike with Cindys hesitance, indecisiveness and guilt throughout her entire arc. It's a constant presence around Cindy, while Mike has the emotional range of a tea spoon and barely manages to tell us that he (allegedly) loves his girlfriend and is (allegedly) torn about it. All Lena needs to do to overcome all this issues is show a tit.

Even Wade and Perry on Ian's side give more insight in a mens perspective of they fragility, sensitivity and longing than the inoffensive, but hardly insightful walking dicks like Mike and Jeremy.

 

[SoggyLuffy]

Can anyone please please please help me?? How do I get Ian and Lena in an Open relationship without anyone of them cheating, is that even possible? Because I know lena says that she wish the circumstances we're different for them to open the relationship

 

[stuffygames]

Can anyone please please please help me?? How do I get Ian and Lena in an Open relationship without anyone of them cheating, is that even possible? Because I know lena says that she wish the circumstances we're different for them to open the relationship

Best you can do in a love route without cheating is MFF threesomes and a teased MMF threesome so far. There isn't sharing or swinging type relationship.

 

[mehGusta]

The key word is some and usually not straight men

To stay on topic with the ORS case Ian is average compared to, say, Axel or Jeremy, and some men don’t like playing an “average” character even though Ian is arguably a better human being than both of them.
It’s also clear the game was written by a woman, since it leans into familiar tropes Ian as the “boyfriend material” guy, Axel as the toxic hot ex, Jeremy or Mike as the serial cheater you can try to tame… and so on.
On the other side, though, the options aren’t that diverse especially if you don’t want an open relationship or to be cucked.

thats why Lena pov is far more intressting at least for me to get glimps at the female fantasy while still being stimulated as visual creatures that we are as men unlike erotica novels or otome VNs

that's funny because i'm at the exact opposite end. i like playing as ian more than i do as lena (for reasons i already often stated before, but don't want to delve in again now).
maybe that percentage is roughly a similar estimate how many men play this game and like lena's POV, while at the same time how many women play this game and like ian's POV. at least it would fit with what one could expect in gender paticipation of these type of games, as it usually is way more men playing.

though i'm not sure if my preferences got influenced by what kind of games i was able to play early on. as they surely were all male centered back when i got introduced to it.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

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Thats it thats the cuck update?

Literally anything but what the people want?
Who are these top donators who keep shoehornig these unesecary scenes into the game no one cares about, I havent seen anyone here who wants any of these except a few wtf?

Am I the only one who feels like they are intentionally ignoring what ppl want to stretch and milk it for all its worth?
Bloating it unnecessarily , it is what it is.

See ya Friends in the next update, Ill pass

"cuck update"

That's a self report if I've ever seen one. Go outside, sit down, touch some grass and realise that just because Lena's fucking other dudes and is going full slut, does not mean she's cucking anyone.

In any case, Ian being a cuck is a personal choice in game and you can avoid it by refusing to date Lena from the very beginning of the game while she goes on her "every train for my tunnel" journey.

So...Congratulations, you played yourself.

 

[Canto Forte]

For people who play games often and even watch prons often, both Axel and Jeremy are absolutely disgusting even compared to the usual NTR bulls all over the dedicated games, no wonder long time supporters wanted the old charcaters back form the other game. They are tropey prons tools from the very first action: Mary Sue, gods gift to women, all women fall in their lap - even Ivy is thrown at Jeremy for countless times despite her despising him and his life style - all culminating in the most date rape tropey ”drunk slip and fell on his d**k” scene in this game.

If you read, they are disgustingly formulaitc and bland, if you watch they are sticks and stones bullying Ian.

Ian has a character arc and development; they have nothing, but somehow they find audiences to lap their shit up.

To stay on topic with the ORS case Ian is average compared to, say, Axel or Jeremy

 

[link18]

Ian provides the male perspective AND the female one through his vastly more fleshed out love interests.
Lena's female perspective has merit, but what her male love interests offer is abysmal.

obviously true for erotic novels aimed at female readers as well they often give the male perspective. on emotional level Yes, Ian’s POV works better in that sense, but on a pure “porn game” level, I beg to differ.

If you read, they are disgustingly formulaitc and bland, if you watch they are sticks and stones bullying Ian.

Ian has a character arc and development; they have nothing, but somehow they find audiences to lap their shit up.

thats why i said some men do and they tend to pay thats why they got this update

 

[mehGusta]

Ian provides the male perspective AND the female one through his vastly more fleshed out love interests.
Lena's female perspective has merit, but what her male love interests offer is abysmal.

Compare the recent introspective of Mike with Cindys hesitance, indecisiveness and guilt throughout her entire arc. It's a constant presence around Cindy, while Mike has the emotional range of a tea spoon and barely manages to tell us that he (allegedly) loves his girlfriend and is (allegedly) torn about it. All Lena needs to do to overcome all this issues is show a tit.

Even Wade and Perry on Ian's side give more insight in a mens perspective of they fragility, sensitivity and longing than the inoffensive, but hardly insightful walking dicks like Mike and Jeremy.

have to agree with you there. even with how much i hate perry, he feels way more like a real character than stan does. stan is a walking cliché at this point.

 

[mehGusta]

Can anyone please please please help me?? How do I get Ian and Lena in an Open relationship without anyone of them cheating, is that even possible? Because I know lena says that she wish the circumstances we're different for them to open the relationship

depends on what you prefer. do you want a committed relationship, but both can pursue anyone they want to?
then no. lena has to cheat on ian when she works as a stand in as a barkeeper. this will get jeremy to tell ian about it and then either ian or lena can suggest going for an open relationship.
if you want ian and lena to explore together, then you have to say you want to experiment once they become a couple. further down the line lena has the option to invite louise for a threesome. at the beach lena might ask if ian wants a mmf threesome if you didn't pursue holly at all or had lena say she wants a mmf threesome (nothing confirmed yet, but if you pursue holly somewhat but don't start the throuple, she might be joining in a ffm in later chapters maybe)
for now only talked about, but a threesome with emma is actually only possible if neither cheats.

 

[SoggyLuffy]

Best you can do in a love route without cheating is MFF threesomes and a teased MMF threesome so far. There isn't sharing or swinging type relationship.

Got it, can you tell me tho who should Ian cheat with for lena to find out? Because so far I've only gotten the option where lena cheats in the club then jeremy tells Ian and they open their relationship or breakup but what to do if I want Ian to be the cheater??

 

[Gicoo]

Roleplay and Self-Insertion to me represent the same thing,

Why do you bring sophistry into this? It doesn't matter what it means to you. What matters is that its one of the most basic narrative tools implemented in the majority of games to great effect. Why do you think most people watch porn if not to associate themselves to the fucking characters on one way or another?

I'm not talking roleplay in the classical sense. Not many people here grew up on TTRPGs I would think, technology since the late 1980s far outpaces the kitchen table for gaming. Roleplay in my part of the world, and in my social circles is the same as self-insertion.
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and when people get seriously angry about the possibility of a pixel chad chatting up a pixel bimbo in their harem, it makes me worry about how they get on the real world.

Yeah, not everyone of us mouth breathers has your esteemed taste.

I am in the minority with Harem games I will admit, which many fans of porn games like. To me having every girl in the game world falling all over the mc is boring,

Dude, why are you singling out harem? It's just a variation. There is also collection and conquest, the former which this game goes a bit. The appeal of this game is that Ian has not one, but several love interests which he can pursue depending on the players choice. Whenever one appears, he can potentially bond with them. That has nothing to do with harem.

 

[Saerwen]

Ivy and Ian will almost certainly have content in the third day of this update? Ian can be invited for the party

We can only wait and see.

 

[La Dani]

how to unlock this turn me on option?

I follow.

 

[Yougiblack]

Sharing/NTS path has it been updated ?

 

[stuffygames]

Why do you bring sophistry into this? It doesn't matter what it means to you. What matters is that its one of the most basic narrative tools implemented in the majority of games to great effect. Why do you think most people watch porn if not to associate themselves to the fucking characters on one way or another?

Yeah, not everyone of us mouth breathers has your esteemed taste.

Dude, why are you singling out harem? It's just a variation. There is also collection and conquest, the former which this game goes a bit. The appeal of this game is that Ian has not one, but several love interests which he can pursue depending on the players choice. Whenever one appears, he can potentially bond with them. That has nothing to do with harem.

Holy hell, snowflake mode on eh? You are taking a storytelling theory stance on a simple issue. Not everyone plays games the same way is my whole point, regardless of what you think. If I'm getting this right, you think I shouldn't play any way but the way you think I should, or how the storytelling gods say, and not self-inserting is the wrong way? I'm not ignorant to how storytelling works, but that was never the issue. I'm sure I have self-inserted in my life, but I don't play this or any game I can remember like that, just like I don't watch a movie or play mmos like that, does that make me an enemy of the media state?

My "esteemed taste", wtf does that even mean? Are you telling me that trying to clarify my personal life experience in gaming and vocabulary with my friends and aquaintances is making you feel, what? I have no idea here. You can play whatever and however you want, I believe in you do you.

I didn't compare ORS to a harem game or single it out just because. I was admitting I am not with the majority about that type of game, and illustrating why I don't like harem games, subjectively. I have played them and they are not for me. Futher, the vitriol I have witnessed from the loud, possibly minorty portion of the harem game player base that freaks out when there is even the slightest chance another npc might touch a LI, is strange to me, in a scary way. You cannot be blind to that happening can you? I actually worry about how those people deal with real life issues, like relationships, working, stress, etc. These types of attitudes lead to a number of serious social issues for those individuals and the people around them, and I'm serious here, not making fun.

I am done trying to express a viewpoint on this issue, take from this what you will.

 

[stuffygames]

Sharing/NTS path has it been updated ?

Not sure it ever existed to be updated. No consenual sharing/swinging I could find.

 

[GibboBtw]

It seems that in the future games with male protagonist played by men will be rare and female protagonist games played by men will be common. There's a poll on this site that shows female protagonist games supassed male protagonist by votes. https://f95zone.to/threads/female-protagonist-vs-male-protagonist.23832/ It's peculiar to me because when I was a little girl boys mocked girls for playing with Barbie dolls. Today, men transition into women more via sex change. Times really changed.

I really don't think looking at two different polls, with one having 762 votes and the other having 3500 votes. Is something you should then take as gospel, that FMC games are surpassing MMC games or anything like that, now or in the future.

I mean all you have to do to counter that IMO. Is go and check the "Latest Updates" page on this website, and then arrange it on all time with either Likes, Weighted Ratings or even Views, whatever you like. And then count how many of them are MMC games vs FMC games. It's not even close, MMC games dominate...And as far as I'm aware, will continue to dominate for the forseeable future.

FMC players have always just been a very vocal minority IMO. Just like FemShep players vs BroShep players in Mass Effect. 32% to 68%. And yet, you would have 0 idea that's the case if you browse the internet with how many FemShep stans exist.