ElukiaTV

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Nothing too spicy I just hate her and I still think the way you treated the rape from his point of view is bad.
Thats a very normal sentiment at the begining of the game.
We all belive Vic did something very wrong, and after that is about how both parts deal with it, or their own opinions or regrets, etc.
So yeah. feeling like she is the devil by the end of the prologue is pretty much... normal.
 

Story Anon

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Nothing too spicy I just hate her and I still think the way you treated the rape from his point of view is bad.
I've really been trying to avoid spoilers in this thread but you did realize that whole rape scene was false, right? That's how she imagined it, it's not what actually happened. This is cleared up in Chapter 3 and expressly stated again in Chapter 15.

It isn't and has never been "Men can't be raped", not even a little bit.
 
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I've really been trying to avoid spoilers in this thread but you did realize that whole rape scene was false, right? That's how she imagined it, it's not what actually happened. This is cleared up in Chapter 3 and expressly stated again in Chapter 15.

It isn't and has never been "Men can't be raped", not even a little bit.
It's been a while that I played, didn't play the mini-updates, but we already had this subject and I think it was rape no matter what you try to excuse it as a mistake or whatever.
 

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It's been a while that I played, didn't play the mini-updates, but we already had this subject and I think it was rape no matter what you try to excuse it as a mistake or whatever.
It's not an excuse, it's literally an unreliable narrator.

She imagined it happened like that, but it didn't. CJ was okay with it, he even explains that thoroughly in Ch3, Ch7 (with the new update) and to Sarah in Ch15. The only way I think you can hold that position is if you stopped reading before any of that.
 
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Let's make something clear here: The MC of this game is not a self insert. CJ isn't you. There is no self insert tag.

You are not being forced into anything, you're reading a story about people and their relationships with each other.

When I say "I" I refer to the player playing your VN, because it isn't tagged as a kinetick novel, most people will expect to choose things like which relationship pursuit, or how many, etc. Now let's make something clear, what I was saying is what I, as a player, don't like to see in a game, and because of the lack of the kinetick novel tag, I was thinking this was a "game" an "AVN" and in those you have choices, yours not, then mb.


I'm not really sure what other game you're referencing where that happened but that is not what takes place in my game.
Not in the slightest.
Nobody is being forced to be okay with cheating, nobody is doing anything behind anyones back.

If I say in the sentence something like: "What happens in most games of X type" I'm jabbing those kinds of games, games that sell themselves as "harems" where instead they are polyamory, which isn't the same at all.

I really don't mean to be offensive, but I think your insecurities about hidden NTR or cheating are creating a picture in your head that just isn't real.

Like I said, it has to do more with being tired of games selling themselves as "harem" when it is instead a polyamory relationship which isn't the same at all. Harem 1 guy or girl that have multiple LI interested and later on in a relationship with him/her but only him/her, while polyamory may be 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 people that all are in a relationship with each other, so not the same at all.
So I just stated what I think after you answering my questions, and sorry to inform you, but when you are playing a game, of any kind, that gave you no choice to do something or not, then it is forced on you the player. There is a tag for that kind of visual novels, the kinetick novel tag, not using it when it's clear you can't influence at all in the story is a mistake, since after all you said it yourself, "you're reading a story about people and their relationships with each other", that's kinetick novel, if you didn't know, otherwise you will have people like me asking where are the choices, would I be able to do X? is X forced? etc.

Having an exploration point in the game or a few optional events that you can choose, doesn't mean it isn't kinetick novel, since after all the story will happen the same way, no matter what you as a player do or not, since again like you said "you're reading a story about people and their relationships with each other", so yeah you should tag this right, to avoid confusing others.
 
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Exploration, optional content, optional story plot, etc. Gets rid of "Kinetic novel" Just because a dev wants to follow its own idea of the story they want to, doesnt meant its automatically a "kinetic novel".
This quotes of the dev point to something else, called kinetic novel:

"you're reading a story about people and their relationships with each other"

" The relationships between the main characters is 99% of the game and is not something that can be toggled off. "

So that means the story is linear, adding optional map exploration and optional events that don't alter the main storyline is just that, adding optional content to a kinetic novel, since the story is linear without the player having a choice to change it. So yeah, this is a kinetic novel, which is fine, but it should be tagged to avoid confusing people like me, that thought this "game" will have choices, when there are none, just a few optional things to "spicy" the novel a bit.
 

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There is no self insert tag at all on this or any other site i know...but some people (like myself) always play as the protagonist because it dont makes any sense to make choices for others, we are gamer, not politicians (okay, maybe some of them are here too). Some people think "if there are no choices to be made i could read a book or watch a movie instead". Games and life are the only things were choices matter, stories, kn, movies, ... are static, no matter what, its always the same for everyone. So its easy to say "forced" if you dont have the choice to do or avoid something. It is okay for the main story (some things just need to happen to progress further), but if it comes to sex or kinks there are always people wo dont want something to be not avoidable.

I dont think there is any cheating or even ntr based on what you said earlyer, but many monos see polys as nonstop-cheater and cant handle it, others have no problems if the partner only has fun with the same gender (guys are okay if their girlfriend has other girls or the other way around). And there is the same but very different set for homos. Some lesbians/gays are okay with partners who play with the other gender while some would never allow it (like me, i would never stop a girl from having fun with an other girl, its even hot to think about them, watch or join them, but i instantly lose all sexual interest in any girl that likes guys too because i never could go down on her without getting a green face and thinking about stuff i dont want to think about). And monos dont share at all, but in my experience they still like harem games - for personal use only ^^
Dont think to much about it, that are just basic mindsets, everyone has their own, some are fully compatible, some tolerable and some totally incompatible. It would be far too much work to please everyone and a game with this much content would also be terrible huge.
 
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Kitsune241

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It's not an excuse, it's literally an unreliable narrator.

She imagined it happened like that, but it didn't. CJ was okay with it, he even explains that thoroughly in Ch3, Ch7 (with the new update) and to Sarah in Ch15. The only way I think you can hold that position is if you stopped reading before any of that.
As someone who has very much enjoyed the game so far, I still feel like this could be made more clear within the game.
Note: I haven't played the updated 1.0 yet, so if this has already been addressed in the remade chapters just ignore it.
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As someone who has very much enjoyed the game so far, I still feel like this could be made more clear within the game.
Note: I haven't played the updated 1.0 yet, so if this has already been addressed in the remade chapters just ignore it.
I actually agree that it’s left a little vague in the previous build, but in the 1.0 release I tried to give it a little more attention in the new Ch7 content.
 

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I stand by my judgment when I originally played the game.
This is the best game without a sex scene I have ever played on here and the story is better then most games WITH sex scenes.

I mean, it takes ALOT for me to want to pledge on patreon, this 15 chapters of a 100 chapter story sealed the deal for me before I even completed ch15.

Seriously, I heartily recommend for people to play the game themselves and make their decision.
I cannot see anyone not falling in love with each of the girls and the idea of CJ turning down and abandoning any of them hurts my heart. How can you play and not fall in love with each of the girls? I mean, we all can agree that Jamie is best girl, but Ashley is a STRONG contender.

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Personally i wouldn't put no sexual content in there if it will have some later. Most if not all games that doesn't have any sexual intercourse in their game didn't put it too. Usually it is for games that literally doesn't have h scenes at all, just a suggestion to avoid unnecessary explanation over and over again.

I was scared for the rape tag at first too, but i was in for a surprise. Really great heartwarming story.
Hope there's android port for new updates soon.
 
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blackmasha

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It has no h scenes yet and while there is definitely sex of a sort, it is not pornographic.

...Yet
the game itself is very long, so are you going to finish the story and then put H scenes everywhere, or are you planning or adding them at the end of the story when there is enough backstory and you will start a new adventure of sorts?
 

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the game itself is very long, so are you going to finish the story and then put H scenes everywhere, or are you planning or adding them at the end of the story when there is enough backstory and you will start a new adventure of sorts?
afaik, the first H scene is coming not with next week's update, but the week after's; should all go to plan ofc.
 
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the game itself is very long, so are you going to finish the story and then put H scenes everywhere, or are you planning or adding them at the end of the story when there is enough backstory and you will start a new adventure of sorts?
The first h-scenes will be in one of the next upcoming chapters in a few weeks. From then on they should be fairly regular.
 
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Lokman00

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I don't really play many kinetic novels due to their linear nature but honestly this game is definitely a major exception. As long as the story and its characters remain interesting and engaging I'll keep coming back for more. Keep up the great work and let's make CJ's dad proud.
 
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ARHunt

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Hello, i got android port and it's stuck when the first time cj back and meet jamie. The only choice exist is examine and it loop.
 

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Download android v1.0Beta APK
P/s: Request Link Android Game at my
 

blackmasha

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The first h-scenes will be in one of the next upcoming chapters in a few weeks. From then on they should be fairly regular.
but where will they be? mixed with the current story or after the current story? as in do people need to play for days before unlocking H content?

I'm asking because you're the only creator I know who first made the game and only after is adding H scenes.
 
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