VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Niv-Mizzet the Firemind]

My 2 cents: if breaking up the update in 2 parts would disrupt the story too much, it'd be better to wait and have the update released as per your original plan.

 

[Barkus]

I am a huge Veronica fan so the prospect of an early release makes my mouth water, since I dint expect a release so early. BUT I understand the people who would prefer a full release since I like Felicia too (Damn all of the characters in this game are amazing). I think that most of the people who follow this game (paying patreons or pirate scum like me) will have no problem either way because they love this game because of its quality and its uniqueness and any new players will have plenty of content to dive into so they wont even realise something's missing. So I think the devs cant go wrong with whatever they choose to do.

 

[sunaboz]

It's not that simple. And what about a monthly release then, with unfinished events, you just have to skip udpates for the full event !

What about it? No one is saying they should suddenly switch to monthly releases, why are you even mentioning such situation? WTF? We're talking about a very specific situation that resulted due to some very unfortunate events. We're talking about an already HUGE release (almost as huge as the previous one), with around 1600 images and 80 animations. Considering some hypothetical situation is pointless and utterly silly, I might as well ask "what if meteorite strikes before they release" or "what if instead of 2-3 months of waiting we will have to wait 6 months due to one of the devs getting married or moving to another country" or "what if you'll die and you won't see it in 3 months"?

It's also worth noting that GIL3D is for releasing it earlier (he posted this on PC Discord in the section for patrons):

My side of things is to release now, TD wants to wait. The are more clips in this update than in the rest of the game, and the statics are plenty. He is pretty optimistic about dev times, but... Hana is gonna take us a week at least and Felicia around two months. Considering polishing and everything. I know you guys got our back but I don't really see the point of keeping you waiting for half a year when we can deliver now and the rest later. You'll get Felicia and more in two or three months tops. What we currently have is marathonian as is.

I think many people (including patrons) think that it will take 1 month, maybe 2 months but in reality it might take even 3. Either way it will be the longest wait yet only to see the biggest update ever. I really don't see how it's beneficial to any of us considering the alternative.

 

[Turret]

The solution is simple - (...)

I am with you on this, sunaboz! As long as there is no total disruption in the story and I cannot see this, when the update is already by over fifteenhundred renders and several dozen animations, the update should come out now! As I wrote above, keeping an update rythm intact is important for several reasons!
I understand why TD is hesitant, because there have been examples where a release was bashed because it stopped early, BUT there were big differences to the situation here.

First, most of us know the bad circumstances under which this update started, so I doubt anybody in the know would say something and second, these bashed releases, which TD might fear, were extremly underwhelming in size and quality!
Here we have an update, which even in it´s unfinished state is way larger and more animated than what many others Dev brought out ever as a single update! And we know TD´s and GIL´s stortelling quality.
Felicia is one of my top 3 characters in the game too, but I have no problem seeing these events as an update "2b" later on or among update 3, if update 2 releases in the next days.
Considering the visible size and quality of the current update, I think a release now, keeping the flow and rythm going would be better.

 

[dolfe67]

What about it? No one is saying they should suddenly switch to monthly releases, why are you even mentioning such situation? WTF? We're talking about a very specific situation that resulted due to some very unfortunate events. We're talking about an already HUGE release (almost as huge as the previous one), with around 1600 images and 80 animations. Considering some hypothetical situation is pointless and utterly silly, I might as well ask "what if meteorite strikes before they release" or "what if instead of 2-3 months of waiting we will have to wait 6 months due to one of the devs getting married or moving to another country" or "what if you'll die and you won't see it in 3 months"?

It's also worth noting that GIL3D is for releasing it earlier (he posted this on PC Discord in the section for patrons):

I think many people (including patrons) think that it will take 1 month, maybe 2 months but in reality it might take even 3. Either way it will be the longest wait yet only to see the biggest update ever. I really don't see how it's beneficial to any of us considering the alternative.

I just said it's not as simple as "release it asap! no further discussion needed". Sure there was a delay but even without that tragic event it wouldn't have been ready in the same time frame as the previous updates. And what about the next ones if something happens or the update appears much bigger than planned again ?

Sure I'll play it if it's released without felicia's event, but I don't mind waiting for it and play with all 3 carnations' events.

 

[Hrk19]

Personally i agree with the user that suggested releasing the update early as 2a and a month or so later the remaining 2b.
the reason being that since this extraordinary release of the update in 2 parts is due to events out of TD's control and as such, it would be the wisest thing to do both business wise and also for people who want to wait, as those that want to wait would simply wait a month more for the remainder of the update.
Since its going to be the normal schedule after this update in its entirety.

 

[Construct]

What about it? No one is saying they should suddenly switch to monthly releases, why are you even mentioning such situation? WTF? We're talking about a very specific situation that resulted due to some very unfortunate events. We're talking about an already HUGE release (almost as huge as the previous one), with around 1600 images and 80 animations. Considering some hypothetical situation is pointless and utterly silly, I might as well ask "what if meteorite strikes before they release" or "what if instead of 2-3 months of waiting we will have to wait 6 months due to one of the devs getting married or moving to another country" or "what if you'll die and you won't see it in 3 months"?

It's also worth noting that GIL3D is for releasing it earlier (he posted this on PC Discord in the section for patrons):

I think many people (including patrons) think that it will take 1 month, maybe 2 months but in reality it might take even 3. Either way it will be the longest wait yet only to see the biggest update ever. I really don't see how it's beneficial to any of us considering the alternative.

The discord message throws a new light on the situation for me. I was calculating Felicia much more optimistic than it apparently is. One month delay is basically nothing considering the circumstances. Three months is a whole different number. With this information I am all for an earlier release. Like it was already said, too much delay isn‘t well received with the more casual fans. Adding the missing events via a small patch seems to be the viable solution to be able to return to a more stable release schedule.
I‘m not too worried about the story ending abruptly. Just don‘t cut it mid conversation

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

You're new here, aren't you ? But this thread is pretty devoid of them

Thankfully devoid too - I follow too many threads where those moronic claims of lying/cheating/milking seem to have escalated recently. Maybe PC appeals to, for want of a better term, the slightly more discerning palette.

 

[ename144]

The solution is simple - do not download the update until Felicia's event will be added or until the game is completed, the rest of us will enjoy Veronica and Rosalind content ASAP. I'm also a Felicia fan and

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but I still prefer earlier release. I might say otherwise if this update without Felicia would be significantly smaller than usual but this one will have over 1540 static images (most likely over 1600) and an enormous amount of 80+ new animations (which is a record by far) so even when it comes to quantity it will meet highest M&J standards. Previous one had 1718 static images and 51 animations so...

I can bet though that people saying they prefer to wait will be the first ones to download the game when it releases, otherwise they wouldn't be such strong advocates for a delay. The truth is, if they want even more humongous updates they can wait another 4 months or longer but those that prefer the earlier release won't have the luxury of a choice if devs decide to delay. So the choice should be simple.

Anyway, if someone is concerned that newest update might end abruptly (although I haven't seen anyone brought that argument up) I would like to hear their opinions when previous updates where released. Update one before last ended with Victoria calling Edwin with birthday wishes (so it was a birthday teaser) and the last one with Kat informing us what can we expect during next Carnation event plus Hana dropping on us ending it with a cliffhanger basically. The next update without Felicia will also most likely end with Hana scene and a night before Felicia events. Nothing abnormal here.

It's not really a comparable situation if you have any interest in discussing the game with your peers: by the time the next update is out, all the discussion of the Rosalind/Veronica/Hana material will be long since over and everyone will be focusing on the Felica/??? stuff. That doesn't mean it can't be done, just that it's not as simple as ignore the release and problems solved.

My side of things is to release now, TD wants to wait. The are more clips in this update than in the rest of the game, and the statics are plenty. He is pretty optimistic about dev times, but... Hana is gonna take us a week at least and Felicia around two months. Considering polishing and everything. I know you guys got our back but I don't really see the point of keeping you waiting for half a year when we can deliver now and the rest later. You'll get Felicia and more in two or three months tops. What we currently have is marathonian as is.

I don't mean to dismiss GIL's estimate (he'd certainly know better than me), but that's quite surprising. Does this mean Felicia's event is enormous compared to Rosalind/Veronica's? Or is it more technically complicated for some reason?

 

[sunaboz]

It's not really a comparable situation if you have any interest in discussing the game with your peers: by the time the next update is out, all the discussion of the Rosalind/Veronica/Hana material will be long since over and everyone will be focusing on the Felica/??? stuff. That doesn't mean it can't be done, just that it's not as simple as ignore the release and problems solved.

For you nothing will change if you will just ignore this thread until further update and only check patreon page or Discord for info about current progress. For those who prefer not to wait a lot will change though and they will be able to enjoy the game, discuss it, speculate what further (Felicia) update might hold considering what we've seen Rosalind and Veronica do, etc.

That's the thing, besides this controversy that TD has opened (instead of flipping a coin he decided to ask patrons, that's entirely on him ) there's not much to discuss currently (well, there is but besides me there aren't many people bringing up older scenes and presenting their observations trying to trigger discussions). With the new update this thread will become much livelier and will bring potential patrons who will notice the game on these forums, with one humongous release the options for debate are much more limited (look at Being a DIK thread, it has 144k posts but most of them are trash posting the same pictures of XYZ or fanboying).

If you're really that eager to discuss a porn game you can always do it once they'll release next update. I myself have brought up scenes from earlier releases on several occasions and you'll surely have a different perspective on things seeing a larger chunk of story. Not to mention that you have a very different views on things than I do (e.g. on Ian, Mina, Veronica, etc.).

But like I said, the truth is you will download the update ASAP and enjoy it as much as the rest of us. So why delay it (when the release is already almost as huge as previous one)?

 

[TD1900]

I don't mean to dismiss GIL's estimate (he'd certainly know better than me), but that's quite surprising. Does this mean Felicia's event is enormous compared to Rosalind/Veronica's? Or is it more technically complicated for some reason?

Felicia's event won't be more complicated or overly long in comparison. In fact it'll be more simple than Veronica's event, which has two different openings. GIL is basing his discord comment off how long each of the other events took us and padding it with some caution. Cutting out the month of development time we lost, I'd say Rosalind's and Veronica's event both probably took about a 5 and 7 weeks respectively.

EDIT: He's probably also accounting for a small follow up event that would be required to satisfactorily end the update on in the aftermath of Felicia's event.

 

[DragonVein]

In Game Mod for Ch3Up1 - Shows toughness and relationship changes of different options. Also has gallery unlocker. I just stumbled upon this game today, and have not yet completed it - let alone taken any potential different paths; so apologies if you hit any bugs, but should be solid I think.

Also, note this isn't a walkthrough per se, as sometimes taking a lose can lead to future, better gains.

Edit: Small mod update, added a note for score goal during Week 1 interview.
Edit 2: Small bug fix for round 2 of week 1 exhibition.

How do I install this? Sorry kind of a noob when it comes to additions such as these. Thank you!

 

[itshowyoumetme]

How do I install this? Sorry kind of a noob when it comes to additions such as these. Thank you!

It should be enough to just draw all those files into the game folder. if that doesn't work then try out:

Here's my WT & Gallery Unlocker Mod for Pale Carnation Ch3 Up1
Based on Oscar Six's Mod

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That one seems pretty straight forward.

 

[AwsHen]

While you obviously want to avoid long gaps in dev cycles there were uncontrollable elements here that most people are understanding towards. As long as people are keeping informed there shouldn't be many who will think this is the new "standard" or the game is heading towards "milking".

This thread is very "Cultured" as most here are "People of Culture" so we don't have much of that sh*t here.

TD1900 and GIL3D since many of them have spoken their thoughts I think its better if you lean towards the majority opinion as the main goal of any game is player satisfaction, satisfying the majority's demands takes precedence I guess.

 

[Horny Mf]

Do we get to fuck mina yet?

 

[Digga D]

Do we get to fuck mina yet?

No Horny Mf, you can't fuck Mina yet.

 

[Ninro]

4 months since the last update.. aight

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

This thread is very "Cultured" as most here are "People of Culture" so we don't have much of that sh*t here.

And now you gone and jinxed it.

 

[Turret]

4 months since the last update.. aight

Special circumstances this time, chummer! Normally the update would already been out and they are always substantial. The coming one is atm at 1500-1600 renders and several dozen animations.

 

[Christ P Bacon]

This looks unique