Terix3

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Pale Carnations is porn, and so revolves around sexual gratification; Eyes Wide Shut, and other non-pornographic fiction does not center on sexual gratifying the viewer/reader. If someone finds a particular fetish in a porn game to be a turn-off, it's perfectly understandable that they would not want to play it. For the same reason a straight man would likely have no interest in playing a gay porn game, but would potentially have no issue in watching a movie that featured a gay couple.

Personally, I don't care about the sharing so long as it's optional.
Partially true, while fetishes doesn't apply to non-porn media preferences still do. Straight man certainly find watching gay romance to be uncomfortable. Also while they don't have porn level sex, they do often have sex scenes/fade to black scenes even if it is not romance story. Not sure if it falls into the gratification category but i often feel those scenes are forced in just so the movie have one.

I'd say it's more about it being a porn game where the the MC is an extension of the player (we make decisions on the MC's behalf), whereas in regular porn you're just watching characters. This can give sharing scenes an unpleasant, cuckold like experience for players (at least for some). I'd also say that in regular porn stories it's more about characters who are promiscuous; not a lot of emphasis is placed on relationships and infidelity, and in cases where there is a lot of emphasis there, it is often categorised as a 'cuckold' porno -- and this is unappealing to many.

I do agree that thematically the LI's sleeping with other men can make sense, as was the case in Pretty Woman, but most people who play this game do so for sexual gratification -- the same can't be said for viewers of Pretty Woman. This does speak to a tension I see within the adult visual novel space: where creators have a hard time balancing a utilitiarian commitment to 'broadly appealing fap material' and an artistic desire to create a good story.
Out of curiosity: Do you have this stance on mainstream media as well? I.e. do you refuse to watch things like Pretty Woman, Eyes Wide Shut, etc.? If not, what is the difference here?
To put simply : different level of emotional connection. RPG games and interactive fiction have the player/viewer connect with characters the most out of all media. I don't think one inserts himself into the characters when watching movie but it is common when playing said games. To emphasize that, people have no problem with MC sleeping with prostitutes in porn or non-porn fiction but the second there is emotional investment to the character they expect exclusivity.

With how over-saturated the market is, readers can afford to be choosy.
I find it to be the opposite - the market lacks porn games/VN that aspire to be more then a sum of their sex scenes. There are some in works but when you want good story you want it also to be complete.
 
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Poser_Voyeur

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This is a question I've grappled with both as someone who doesn't self-insert into visual novels and as a developer of one.

I find the ways some people limit themselves based off an imprecise list of tags sans context instead of engaging with a work on its own merit peculiar, but I do understand that to most people, adult visual novels are simply a commodity. With how over-saturated the market is, readers can afford to be choosy. Personally, I think that's kinda a boring way to engage with fiction. Stories are the best tool there is to wrestle with ideas and experience uncomfortable things safely. Plus, I like the thrill of finding something new that I didn't expect I'd like.

...but at the end of the day, this is porn and not art. There isn't anything wrong with being choosy and it's understandable to want to avoid things that repulse or trigger you when what you're simply looking for is escapism.
And the best illustration of this is this very game. I don't like BDSM and normally would nt have touched this game because of the tags. But as I said before I tried the game despite some of the tags and was incredibly (pleasantly) surprised.

I know that I will miss out on some content by virtue of not choosing all the scenes. And I am perfectly fine with that so long as the more extreme scenes are optional / based on previous choices.
 

Turret

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I find the ways some people limit themselves based off an imprecise list of tags sans context instead of engaging with a work on its own merit peculiar
That is a correct observation and a reason why I stil test out games I might not like based on the tags. Pale Carnations is an evidence that tags are only a rough raster/help, not the end all. Some stuff depicted in PC I strongly dislike in real life, but the game is a must play as long as you can stand some events. As I wrote in an earlier post, I came to PC by pure chance and were not sure, I would like it. But I was happily surprised by Pale Carnations, which is one of the absolute best games on site!
You should not get too focused on the tags, try it out!
 

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I know, what I said is to reduce the length of the thread's pages
Ah shite. Sorry, read your post when I was exhausted last night before bed. I saw the SPOILING gets intense, sorry!

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Holy shit! Beautiful! Raven Tomoe, thank you! Please do more creampies of our favorite characters, that's just amazing!
 

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Mograx

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Any scenes with mc mom in these couple updates haven't play for a while
None. If memory serves, we've only seen her old porno tapes a few times so far.

If you're asking if there will be any modern day sex scenes with her outside of her old porno tapes.. to my understanding, no, and there never will be.
 

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Just started this game and love it. But, please tell me: can MC fuck Kathleen? She's so hot.
 
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