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I see the militarization of the police has ramping up. Now they even sport helicopters with missile launchers.
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- Jun 25, 2018
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GIL has posted possibly the best artwork yet, with Mina, Hana and all carnations. Absolutely stunning, hats off to you.
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- May 15, 2017
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Thanks to this game, I Googled the phrase "Mark Collins, age 45" and discovered that my life up until that point had been incomplete.
Pale carnations on its face seems to be a game about a guy pursuing relationships with girls who are directly/indirectly related to a brothel and the shenanigans that ensue therein, but in actuality, it's really a ploy from TD to expose players to niche movie references
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You can feel the passion TD1900 has for Italian giallo films, '70s auteur films like All that Jazz, and bad B-movies.
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- Aug 21, 2019
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for those that like to be depraved on the girls hope ya'll like
- Apr 26, 2017
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We also need a handheld grenade launcher.
- Sep 20, 2018
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Yes, it's a gorgeous shot; hopefully they will indeed use it as a transition screen someday.
I'm not saying GIL felt the need to step up his game after all of Raven Tomoe's fan art, but the timing is amusing.
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I can only speak for myself but I will not play or support any game where I have to share a LI regardless of how good the story might be. The prostitution tag is an albatross around the game's neck in my opinion and skirts a line which means neither NTR lovers nor folks like me are willing to invest.
- Apr 25, 2020
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It's nice people like different things, or we'll end up with the thousandth game with a young MC returning home to bang his mother and 3 sisters, and why not some side chicks because he's the only attractive and interesting man in the world
Also nice some devs can develop different games even though they have less support
- Aug 3, 2021
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Out of curiosity: Do you have this stance on mainstream media as well? I.e. do you refuse to watch things like Pretty Woman, Eyes Wide Shut, etc.? If not, what is the difference here?
Pale Carnations is porn, and so revolves around sexual gratification; Eyes Wide Shut, and other non-pornographic fiction does not center on sexual gratifying the viewer/reader. If someone finds a particular fetish in a porn game to be a turn-off, it's perfectly understandable that they would not want to play it. For the same reason a straight man would likely have no interest in playing a gay porn game, but would potentially have no issue in watching a movie that featured a gay couple.
Personally, I don't care about the sharing so long as it's optional.
- Aug 3, 2021
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Porn is the deciding factor? Most porn movies have many characters that have sex with multiple partners, often at the same time. I have never seen a porn movie marketed with "No NTR" labels. EDIT: by porn movie here I mean these feature length directed things, not random clips on pornhub
The reason I chose Pretty Woman in particular is that it has pretty clear MC and a clear LI who is a prostitute and thus have sex with people other than MC. Thus not too dissimilar to this game.
I'd say it's more about it being a porn game where the the MC is an extension of the player (we make decisions on the MC's behalf), whereas in regular porn you're just watching characters. This can give sharing scenes an unpleasant, cuckold like experience for players (at least for some). I'd also say that in regular porn stories it's more about characters who are promiscuous; not a lot of emphasis is placed on relationships and infidelity, and in cases where there is a lot of emphasis there, it is often categorised as a 'cuckold' porno -- and this is unappealing to many.
I do agree that thematically the LI's sleeping with other men can make sense, as was the case in Pretty Woman, but most people who play this game do so for sexual gratification -- the same can't be said for viewers of Pretty Woman. This does speak to a tension I see within the adult visual novel space: where creators have a hard time balancing a utilitiarian commitment to 'broadly appealing fap material' and an artistic desire to create a good story.
This is a question I've grappled with both as someone who doesn't self-insert into visual novels and as a developer of one.
I find the ways some people limit themselves based off an imprecise list of tags sans context instead of engaging with a work on its own merit peculiar, but I do understand that to most people, adult visual novels are simply a commodity. With how over-saturated the market is, readers can afford to be choosy. Personally, I think that's kinda a boring way to engage with fiction. Stories are the best tool there is to wrestle with ideas and experience uncomfortable things safely. Plus, I like the thrill of finding something new that I didn't expect I'd like.
...but at the end of the day, this is porn and not art. There isn't anything wrong with being choosy and it's understandable to want to avoid things that repulse or trigger you when what you're simply looking for is escapism.
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To be fair, most AVN:s play into this to various degrees as well. Everything is seen from MC:s perspective to the point of never showing MC:s face, choices are only for MC, select the name of MC and so on.
Being choosy is never wrong anywhere, lots of people do it for mainstream media as well, don't like anime, cartoons, action, reomance, etc. But I disagree that porn can't be art for the same reasons I disagree with people who claim games in general can't be art. If there are any AVN:s that reach the level of art is debatable.
Oh, despite how I phrased that, I absolutely believe porn can be art as well. A good example of this would be Oshima's In The Realm of the Senses, which features long portrayals of the actors having unsimulated sex on screen and some pretty extreme depictions of masochism - if not extreme by today's standards, certainly for the time and place.TBut I disagree that porn can't be art for the same reasons I disagree with people who claim games in general can't be art. If there are any AVN:s that reach the level of art is debatable.
What I meant by the portion you quoted is that I recognize people by-and-large aren't looking at adult visual novels with a critical eye and that ties into understanding how someone might be okay with viewing a movie like Irreversible, but would absolutely avoid any game with the rape tag. Similar to your Pretty Woman -> Prostitution tag comparison.