Pale carnations on its face seems to be a game about a guy pursuing relationships with girls who are directly/indirectly related to a brothel and the shenanigans that ensue therein, but in actuality, it's really a ploy from TD to expose players to niche movie references
You can feel the passion TD1900 has for Italian giallo films, '70s auteur films like All that Jazz, and bad B-movies.
We also need a handheld grenade launcher.
Yes, it's a gorgeous shot; hopefully they will indeed use it as a transition screen someday.
I can only speak for myself but I will not play or support any game where I have to share a LI regardless of how good the story might be. The prostitution tag is an albatross around the game's neck in my opinion and skirts a line which means neither NTR lovers nor folks like me are willing to invest.
It's nice people like different things, or we'll end up with the thousandth game with a young MC returning home to bang his mother and 3 sisters, and why not some side chicks because he's the only attractive and interesting man in the world
Out of curiosity: Do you have this stance on mainstream media as well? I.e. do you refuse to watch things like Pretty Woman, Eyes Wide Shut, etc.? If not, what is the difference here?
Pale Carnations is porn, and so revolves around sexual gratification; Eyes Wide Shut, and other non-pornographic fiction does not center on sexual gratifying the viewer/reader. If someone finds a particular fetish in a porn game to be a turn-off, it's perfectly understandable that they would not want to play it. For the same reason a straight man would likely have no interest in playing a gay porn game, but would potentially have no issue in watching a movie that featured a gay couple.
Porn is the deciding factor? Most porn movies have many characters that have sex with multiple partners, often at the same time. I have never seen a porn movie marketed with "No NTR" labels. EDIT: by porn movie here I mean these feature length directed things, not random clips on pornhub
I'd say it's more about it being a porn game where the the MC is an extension of the player (we make decisions on the MC's behalf), whereas in regular porn you're just watching characters. This can give sharing scenes an unpleasant, cuckold like experience for players (at least for some). I'd also say that in regular porn stories it's more about characters who are promiscuous; not a lot of emphasis is placed on relationships and infidelity, and in cases where there is a lot of emphasis there, it is often categorised as a 'cuckold' porno -- and this is unappealing to many.
This is a question I've grappled with both as someone who doesn't self-insert into visual novels and as a developer of one.
To be fair, most AVN:s play into this to various degrees as well. Everything is seen from MC:s perspective to the point of never showing MC:s face, choices are only for MC, select the name of MC and so on.
Being choosy is never wrong anywhere, lots of people do it for mainstream media as well, don't like anime, cartoons, action, reomance, etc. But I disagree that porn can't be art for the same reasons I disagree with people who claim games in general can't be art. If there are any AVN:s that reach the level of art is debatable.
Oh, despite how I phrased that, I absolutely believe porn can be art as well. A good example of this would be Oshima's In The Realm of the Senses, which features long portrayals of the actors having unsimulated sex on screen and some pretty extreme depictions of masochism - if not extreme by today's standards, certainly for the time and place.TBut I disagree that porn can't be art for the same reasons I disagree with people who claim games in general can't be art. If there are any AVN:s that reach the level of art is debatable.
Yeah, on some level I understand. But I myself tend to look at story first and kinks second. And I can take most stuff I feel comfortable with as long as the writer tries to tell a story that makes sense about it.
