I think this highlights a problem with using Affection for this check, because prior to this it's generally been a measure of how Veronica feels about the MC rather than the other way around. In this case, it's being used to gate the MC's actions, not Veronica's response, so it follows there might be some difficulties.
I think my recommendation would be to gate the hug by being on Veronica's path rather than on an Affection score. If the MC finds her dreams admirable, it makes sense he'd be willing to reach out to her here, right? If you wanted to keep Affection as a backup for players not on Veronica's path that might be okay, but you'd probably need to dial the threshold back to the mid/high teens to make it realistically attainable.
This encapsulates a lot of my thinking around that choice. The point about affection scores not generally being a measure of the MC's affection for another character is especially well made, I think.
And since the MC explicitly recognizes that extending an offer of friendship would be an empty gesture in any case, it seems odd to me that it is gated by an affection score.
You're both very right about that. My thinking was Veronica would only accept it at a certain, but that doesn't really reflect in the way the choice is structured and presented. It would've been more logical if the player could make that choice regardless and potentially get rejected, which is how we've done some past decisions, but I think in this case I wanted it to be clear to someone playing blind that they missed a big moment in Veronica's story. Her rebuffing the MC, it being inline with her character, might've just seemed like something she'd always do.
I really appreciate your (and all the other replies before this I haven't quoted) perspectives on this.
Probably the best game themed around humiliation. Having read a little of the discussion but not all I hope the devs aren't feeling pressured to back away from fully committing to that theme. That would be a shame if things get tamed down.
Yeah, I have no problem with the humiliation, as long as the girls all consent. I kinda want to kill the one meathead guard for physically hurting the girls, my MC and Jacob taking turns blasting him in the head with our fists. Let him have a dose of what he dishes out.
If it's been a while since you've last played and you just picked it up with the update I can see how it could be confusing, but within the context of the game these flashbacks to her porn career are very frequent, so anyone who's played the game recently should be aware of what's happening.
The main female cast members aren't passed around, but one of the central locations of the VN is a gentleman's club where a great deal of the activity occurs, and three of the female main characters are engaged in a competition there. If you need every girl your MC interacts with to be a virgin...I would say this may not be right for you, but if you can work with the premise, there is plenty of romantic content within (too much imho lol) I'd say give it a whirl, the game is very up front with it's concepts...you should know pretty quick if it is for you or not.
I don't understand how you reached the conclusion that I want them to be virgins but that aside... having the LIs participate in sexual competition I would assume for the entertainment of "gentlemen" does not sound very romantic to me.
My question was if after I get with them(romance them) then that would put a stop to it but I guess not so this is not for me but thanks for answering anyway
Since the carnations are basically prostituting themselves in a brothel I fully expect the carnations to be 'passed around' in week 3, 4. It would almost be strange if that did not happen given the subject matter of the game.
There are two other main girls though (the 2 you can see in the banner) and I think the romance can apply to them both. The blonde is in a relationship with your best friend in start of the game but he cheats on her and it is possible to get in a relationship with her. The black haired girl (in my opinion best girl) is a coworker and you have some really nice moments with her.
I am no fan of prostitution or humiliation. Many of the sex scenes so far do not do much for me because I dislike that kind of content. But even so I think this is among the best adult VNs I have played because of how well written it is. I suggest giving it a chance - try playing for an hour and if you still dont like it then drop the game.
There are two other main girls though (the 2 you can see in the banner) and I think the romance can apply to them both. The blonde is in a relationship with your best friend in start of the game but he cheats on her and it is possible to get in a relationship with her. The black haired girl (in my opinion best girl) is a coworker and you have some really nice moments with her.
I am no fan of prostitution or humiliation. Many of the sex scenes so far do not do much for me because I dislike that kind of content. But even so I think this is among the best adult VNs I have played because of how well written it is. I suggest giving it a chance - try playing for an hour and if you still dont like it then drop the game.
I see so there is 2 more LIs that are not part of it or at least do not participate in it. I'm more of a vanilla type so this might be a bit too much for me but I've seen nothing praises for it so I think I'll give it a chance when the mood strikes. Thank you
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I believe Edwin has a habit of downplaying his acts of kindness. He may think that was more or less pointless but i don't believe someone in Veronica's shoes, trying to get up and pick up the pieces after being humiliated like that in front of a crowd of rich scumbags, would find a shoulder to lean on a empty gesture.
Ah I can finally return to the thread after finishing the update. Always takes me a few days since I want to go into each scene fully recharged.
Great update as always!
I was pretty happy with my initial "blind" outcome. Managed to get a tie with Veronica getting the Photo-shoot point and Felicia winning over Kathleen. Looking forward to everyone doing the punishment game.
The competition scenes kinda went in the opposite order for me. I liked Veronica's the most once we got to the actual sex. Pushing Felish to her limits and seeing her embrace her inner slut at the edge of consciousness really drives home that she very much enjoys what the club is about. Rose's scene felt flat for me but that was mostly because my immediate instinct was to back out and after that I didn't really care how Ian abused Rose in the video. Going back and reading Chucks and Kaths dialog when Edwin does it only reinforced that feeling.
I had no problem reaching Veronica's friendship score but I did use the walkthrough in the early chapters. I'm way below for Rose though being on the "full deal" path. I wonder what that says about my way of playing Edwin. Being all friendly with Felish and Veronica but treating Rose very harsh despite her being arguably the most justified in participating in the contest. With not even necessarily the intention of following through with the deal. I guess he's being vindictive for Rose trying to play him while I'm mostly going for what probably nets me the best sex scenes.
Did anyone find any "hidden" scenes in the free roam part? In the earlier ones you could find some extras depending on the order you went about. Didn't find anything this time but I didn't invest much effort either.
I'm going through the last update. I am becoming more and more convinced that in the final act of the game there should be an option "burn this place to the ground along with the organizers". Dollhouse "Clouds" in Cyberpunk 2077, the same feeling of disgust.
Am I the only one that noticed that the Statue on the back of the stage is Azura from the Elder Scrolls it is the Statue in skyrim the only change is the color was changed to gold
Am I the only one that noticed that the Statue on the back of the stage is Azura from the Elder Scrolls it is the Statue in skyrim the only change is the color was changed to gold
You're both very right about that. My thinking was Veronica would only accept it at a certain, but that doesn't really reflect in the way the choice is structured and presented. It would've been more logical if the player could make that choice regardless and potentially get rejected, which is how we've done some past decisions, but I think in this case I wanted it to be clear to someone playing blind that they missed a big moment in Veronica's story. Her rebuffing the MC, it being inline with her character, might've just seemed like something she'd always do.
I really appreciate your (and all the other replies before this I haven't quoted) perspectives on this.
Here's a question - Are we ever going to get a chance with Lucy? Or maybe a threesome with Lucy and Harper, depending on how we play the MC? I'm kind of interested to see where her character goes, with her steady corruption as a house girl and a married woman (who was/is happily married?). Do we get a hand in shaping the outcome? At this point, I'm guessing we help influence Hana's attitude toward the club and that she might have a corruption arc of sorts.
You're both very right about that. My thinking was Veronica would only accept it at a certain, but that doesn't really reflect in the way the choice is structured and presented. It would've been more logical if the player could make that choice regardless and potentially get rejected, which is how we've done some past decisions, but I think in this case I wanted it to be clear to someone playing blind that they missed a big moment in Veronica's story. Her rebuffing the MC, it being inline with her character, might've just seemed like something she'd always do.
I really appreciate your (and all the other replies before this I haven't quoted) perspectives on this.
It's a good point: without a walkthrough or multiple playthroughs it might not be clear that Veronica's affection tipped the balance.
I suppose you could have tried to split the difference by expanding the scene. Make the initial choices ("Try to comfort her."/"Just sit here, she doesn't need an awkward gesture of pity.") unrestricted. The latter obviously ends the scene. The former results in the MC trying to offer some moral support, only for Veronica to weakly tell him she doesn't need his help.
Now the MC gets three new choices: "[Affection] Comfort her."/"Try to comfort her anyway."/"Whatever, she's not worth it." The third choice again ends the scene. The first choice automatically succeeds, but requires a minimum affection. The second choice fails, but the dialog changes depending on how much Veronica likes the MC. If he's close to the trigger, Veronica at least seems a little less dejected (and maybe gives an Affection points if you think it's appropriate).
That probably would have been a better fit for the Affection system and still given players a good sense of where they stand with Veronica, but it may not have been worth the extra length.
There's no reason you couldn't have romance in this sort of setting, it just wouldn't be a lighthearted one. Troubled romances (or even outright tragic ones) have been a thing pretty much since we invented storytelling. There are opportunities for romance with the various girls if you treat them affectionately, and as noted there are a couple girls who aren't directly involved in the contest.
The compelled prostitution is the setting for this game. Whether the MC embraces the implications of that setting or tries to push back against them depends on how we play him. That's enough for me to really enjoy the game, it may or may not be enough for you.
Did anyone find any "hidden" scenes in the free roam part? In the earlier ones you could find some extras depending on the order you went about. Didn't find anything this time but I didn't invest much effort either.
