VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[camube]

which timezone does it usually comes out?

Australia 17th or America 17th?

 

[dumbo10]

do not give the devs of this game the wrong ideas now.
or we will get a remake version soon

Tbh theres really no "wrong ideas", just "personal preference" or hypothesis. Altho i cant agree more, i prefer to keep the ideas of how story goes to myself cause i know many people are into kinkshaming and have different preferences. i love the possibility of the game to unlock more wilder tag since character like kathleen exist and the theme is perfect for it, but i rather set low bar and avoid getting disappointed, especially over long wait. Tho i fully believe pale carnation writer will come up with something good because so far i love it. Also i dont think this game ever need remake since the game already doing well with path branching. Its just gonna be long journey to create several paths to satisfy readers taste.

 

[baka]

I was just kidding. the people above me where joking around and I just followed that joke.
yeah, there will not be any remakes, the game is good as it is
and I dont mind people offering suggestion. as long its not overwhelming and they dont keep posting every page and annoying us and the dev by it.
I also do that from time to time, since I want to corrupt Hana and Mina. but I let the dev do what they want to do, since the best game is when the writer do what he want and not what someone else want. but, u can still get inspiration and feedback can be good so, theres that.

 

[femyo]

there will not be any remakes

For now... Live in fear

 

[T00L75]

There is a screenshot at the (pinned) beginning of this thread where Mina, Felicia, Killian and MC are playing...strip poker? As far as I know I'm up to date but have never seen that render. Can anyone tell me when it happens and what triggers it?

 

[McGreed]

There is a screenshot at the (pinned) beginning of this thread where Mina, Felicia, Killian and MC are playing...strip poker? As far as I know I'm up to date but have never seen that render. Can anyone tell me when it happens and what triggers it?

I could be wrong and in this case other guys will correct me, but as far as I remember during "double date" in the beginning of the game you should help Mina instead of keep talking with Felicia (there should be a choice during "free roam" when you can either talk with Mina when she's standing pissed-off because of Ian's flirting with other girl or give Felicia some drink and stay with her), then you will dance all together and go to Ian's house where this game will happen.
I hope I explained it more or less clearly

 

[KKpotato]

I could be wrong and in this case other guys will correct me, but as far as I remember during "double date" in the beginning of the game you should help Mina instead of keep talking with Felicia (there should be a choice during "free roam" when you can either talk with Mina when she's standing pissed-off because of Ian's flirting with other girl or give Felicia some drink and stay with her), then you will dance all together and go to Ian's house where this game will happen.
I hope I explained it more or less clearly

Yep, That is the correct approach.

 

[JakoDel]

Hello there!

Just discovered this game last week and wanted to input my opinions, perceptions and thoughts, both good and bad. For reference, i did 2 playthroughs. A blind one in which i favored Veronica and Mina at maximum toughness and another one with the walkthrough with Rosalind and Hanna at sub 10 toughness. Wall of text incoming.


This is not really my style of VN's i usually play. I am ok to some degree with non-extreme degradation and corruption as long as my MC does it. The type of scenes i would personally hate and despise for example would be like in that 'public use' video tape where the 3 girls have to blow and get fucked by a busload of blokes and those club assholes, especially. If it would happen, which it might, or not, i would most likely finish the update fast skipping the scenes, finish the chapter and delete the game because of it. I don't like games where you are a female MC either, as it never feels good to accept being fucked by an asshole that basically wins, taps you and dumps you. While i do understand it is a brothel setting, i still would like a distinction between the 'main girls' and the other girls, which i think we have right now.

I think in my first game, the toughness did me dirty. Based on the in-game description, it felt to me like was a representation of your dominance level, having a backbone to talk back when insulted, more risk taking, more confidence, but i started to find it suspicious when Mrs Pullman started to like me a lot and i was getting all of her scenes as well as mainly degenerate choices, which i didnt really want. Then i went to the gallery and replayed a scene, where it offered me 3 choices, names kind, mischievious or... asshole. I didnt want to be an asshole, just a confident dom. Lesson learned.


What i found good:

I do not like VN's where our 'main' girls, LI or not, get fucked and treated like shit by assholes in front of not the MC, but 'us' as sometimes it happens off camera, but we still have the scene as a 'meanwhile over there". For now, there is some events i do not like, but i am very happy that in all cases thus far, i ALWAYS had a mean to avoid what i didnt want to happen. Examples: At first when i played the scene where you film the porn shoot with Rosalind, i just let Kilian do it, as his help with Felicia was ok, and i wanted to include him so he wouldnt do temper tantrums, but i didn't like the outcome of that sex scene. I think deep down it's probably not because he was such a disrespectful asshole, but because i knew that unlike my MC, he wasn't only an asshole for the movie shoot, but that was his real personality outside the club as well. Reloading the save, i was happy i could do the scene myself and skip this outcome.

I did not mind things like when the looser gets drowned in jizz, when Veronica has to down the cup of jizz or when Mrs Pullman fucks Veronica with the big black dildo. I do not know yet how i am gonna react to the threesome with Rosalind. In my 20 ish VN's plyed ths far, i never got that scenario of MMF. I tried going that way to see how it plays out, but i will admit it is mainly because i know i have other options to find money, dodge the threesome and just do her myself. I've read the last maybe 300 is posts to get a feel and if what the dev said is true, that you can be whatever and do all the 'main' women without consequences between them bar the choice of 'your main single LI' at some later point in the game, that for me is great as i can combine non-exclusive girls in one playthrough and make a save at the choice fork instead of having 1 run for each individual girl.

What i found bad:

I can foresee actions i will not like and stuff that will make no sense that i will also hate coming. I am already seeing a setup being installed that i despise in all the few VN's it's been utilized as a cheap way to make impossible event happens or girls change personalities: drugs and pills. I do not like non-consensual events, rapes, etc and drugs are usually always the easy setup to make a girls saying no into a nympho saying yes. If it is revealed that its only an aphrodisiac making the male perform longer, or cum more, or a quicker recharge between activities, it is what it is. Hopefully i am wrong and the drug will be used in a different way, but the fact that when it was used on the MC he turned into an incoherent aggressive sex freak (and jizzed on Mrs Pullman) tells me otherwise as well as the fact that is it pretty dark to have their slaves whores be guinea pigs in the basement.

The dev said he liked / was inspired? by Starless. I went to investigate and i can say by the tags and descriptions and pictures, it is something i would never play and would find in bad taste, so hopefully only lightcore stuff will be included in this game. I also dislike physical abuse and i hope we will be able to deal with the Warren-Emma situation, give him a taste of his own medicine and hopefully mor than a black eye if he doesnt get the memo.

The girls:

Veronica.
It is my favorite girl. I visually like this model a lot. It goes with my fantasy of a redhead that is taller than me and that is a bit toned. As i am pretty tall IRL, it is a quasi impossibility to find such a person which makes it unique and interesting and is a nice break from usual VN's templates of medium or shorter massive tittied harems of girls. Also, i swear, the dev gave this character the best looking and expressive faces ever, rarely found in any VN's, totally nailed it, top tier. If Samson lays his dick in/on her, i am gonna find the devs IRL house and set it on fire Her motive for participating is pretty stupid, as she didnt even ask for the whole amount to cancel all of her debts and just enough to patch it, which is pretty stupid for having to go through that ordeal. For the polls, i hope she wins.

Rosaling:
Decent loveable mom-like character to make the MC empathise as he sees her in the same boat his mom was which gives a good connection and motivation to help. Her reasons for being in there are also pretty stupid. First of all the debt shouldve been 200k and not 23k. Such a low amount of money is easily borrowable from a bank, or even easier taken against a credit card. Doesnt fix the issue, but at least you set your payments and dont have thugs after you. And again, how is she even related to her husbands debts? Unless she co-signed her husbands loans, it is none of her business and she should go to the cops and tell them to just find the husband themselves.

Felicia:
Ok character for me, but not my cup of tea and i dislike heavy tan lines. Her reason for being there is the stupidest of them all and shows how un-intelligent she is. Basically, get humiliated, degraded and get a train of old fucks plus 3 football teams to fuck her only to be able to do the same thing to the next victims? To get her own money? She already has money as she stated, just use it and start your own business and make your own contacts. The members already do not respect Mrs Pullman as a women in a mans club, so why would they respect and give their precious, mostly all corrution related contacts to her? Who would make deals and talk business face to face with you after they already treated you as a whore and used you as a whore? Thats what they always see her as, win or loose. Or they will use her as blackmail to her husband, which can result in a divorce and her being poor forever.

Hanna and Mina:
IMO, those two characters are the same, two sides of the same coin, but that work in opposite ways. As i understand, the dev wants the game to be about corruption, and i can see both going the lovey-dovey route, or go down in an amoral and degenerate direction depending on how you push them. I do not understand how Mina knows so little about sex if she got banged by that asshole for 10 months. Unless he was different with her (i doubt it) or because he didnt do much with her and spent more time banging every other girl to make her leave him or to make her life miserable. I like Mina (my 2nd best girl) and i like that we have the option of breaking the couple. I can easily see threesomes happening with both Veronica and Hanna, tough im not sure the greedy red-head lesbian would share her and include us. Hanna is decent also, but i am not a fan of heavily tattoed girls, or blueballing demons. Will still tap.

Mrs Pullman:
I do not like her sadist personality, but as a character she is great, interesting and totally has her place and role to play in this story, far more then the other 2 owners. If she continues to be the one that pushes buttons (but not to the extreme, no gore, no rape no physical violence that results in hospitalisations), i will make a save for her.

Killian:
Fuck this guy. He somehow gets whatever girls he lays his eyes on instantly and has the shittiest personality of all VN's MC buddies. I hope i can set a fire in the house hes in with my perk.


As of now, i like this game. I think it is unique, it is not a college setting and doesnt have 5 millions LI's and a limited cast of characters which makes them easier to build more in depths. I like the darker setting, i just hope it will not descend in the extreme or the hardcore but for now, kudos. My curiosity is piqued. I will follow and totally play the next update as soon as it releases. The four endings i think were a nice way to have little special extra moments and i will enjoy seeing all four as i am a story enjoyer that prefers a decent story with some sex scenes better than a sex scene generator with some filler in between.

mate this game is kinda supposed to revolve around the degenerate show, you dont like drugs, you dont like physical ab, you dont like sadism, you dont like dark stuff like slaves.. you basically dislike everything that isnt consensual and moderate so Im genuinely not sure why you would even play it..
plus I personally liked Starless, you should've added some extra "personally" in your comment because this way it *almost* seems like you are trying to impose your tastes

but now that I think of it, depending on how kind they make Hana, you might actually get what you want

 

[ename144]

There is a screenshot at the (pinned) beginning of this thread where Mina, Felicia, Killian and MC are playing...strip poker? As far as I know I'm up to date but have never seen that render. Can anyone tell me when it happens and what triggers it?

It's from the prologue, but to get it you can't be too successful with Felicia at the club when you first meet her. If you focus on Felicia, the MC has sex with her in the club restroom. If you focus on Mina then Mina, Felicia, Ian and the MC end the evening playing a drinking game at Ian's apartment.

 

[T00L75]

Thanks McGreed , KKpotato , and ename144 !

 

[Turret]

Since I am one of those who have to wait until the end of the month, it would be nice if the top tier people could tell at least a bit about the update. Not specifics, but how you consider it. Thanks in advance!

 

[Raven Tomoe]

Hana willing to play an high stakes game of pool while waiting for the next update

 

[selberdreher]

Rosaling:
Decent loveable mom-like character to make the MC empathise as he sees her in the same boat his mom was which gives a good connection and motivation to help. Her reasons for being in there are also pretty stupid. First of all the debt shouldve been 200k and not 23k. Such a low amount of money is easily borrowable from a bank, or even easier taken against a credit card. Doesnt fix the issue, but at least you set your payments and dont have thugs after you. And again, how is she even related to her husbands debts? Unless she co-signed her husbands loans, it is none of her business and she should go to the cops and tell them to just find the husband themselves.

First of all, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Since you wrote a quite long résumé and i am kind of notorious to write even longer replies, i will concentrate on the one which i found the most questionable.

There is a reason why loan-sharks exist.
In real life there are indeed people who won't get a credit from a bank, even if it's alledgedly "a small amount". In a former post i wrote

Rosies problem should be an easy fix, i always thought her 23.000$ debt is a relatively small one (i am not a rich guy, but to me it feels like the debt should be at least three times higher to be really concerning).
(...)
It really gives us a good impression how hard Rosie is struggling as a de-facto single mother.

The 'easy fix' was related to if Rosie would be able to befriend someone who actually has money, like Felicia or Ian for example.
MyEdwin is trying to get of some money himself, so he can help out Rose with that.

Nonetheless obviously $23.000 is a big amount for Rosalind, and she is in no position at the moment to satisfy the loan-sharks, which aren't unlikely affiliated with the mob. Although it's not her debt she is hold responsible, because the loan-sharks can't get ahold of her runaway husband. They don't care if she is "related" to those debts.

Going to the cops? Yeah, well, try that and you will find that they usually only start investigating after something happened, which she tries to avoid in the first place. Remember, those goons are already sitting comfortable in her kitchen and she is a lone mother of a child. I wouldn't want to anger them, if i was in her place.

Again, there is a reason why loan-sharks exist and conduct a thriving business.

I'd like to include two real world examples, just to add depth to my claim, and to confront your view on how big a debt should be, or how easy it is alledgedly to get money from legal sources. Because frankly, i find your stance a bit insulting and can only guess, that you are writing from a naive and affluent background to consider her issues as not really problematic.

1. A close relative had to go through a insolvency, and companies refused to sign even a basic phone plan or a car insurance with him. Of course no bank would give him a loan or a credit card. Renting an appartment was hard. His mother had to cover those basic necessities for him for like 7 years until his record was clean again. Luckily he had a mother who could do that.

2. The second example is even closer to Rosies plight: A good friend of mine has to take care of his daughter, because her mother - his partner- died. Which means he had to quit his full-time job and take on a part time job, which pays a lot less. There isn't really a family background which could help him out. So he slid into the social security system and legal credit companies are extremely reluctant to give him loans, when the need arises. Which was in his case the need to buy a electric bike*, to be able to buy groceries and to drive his daughter to kindergarten. Officially his need was declined by the social welfare system, because he should use public transport instead, which is only very infrequent available in his area.
We are talking about the 'meager' amount of 3000€, which he just wasn't able to get a hold off. I helped him out there, and for the foreseeable future i know for sure, that i won't get this money back, although we 'officially' consider this as a loan from me to him.

So perhaps those examples provide you with a relateable dose of what it's like to live at the bottom part of the income scale.

Edit: *: Of course he doesn't own a car either. Considering that would be quite Marie Antoinette like.

 

[CAznable]

Since I am one of those who have to wait until the end of the month, it would be nice if the top tier people could tell at least a bit about the update. Not specifics, but how you consider it. Thanks in advance!

It’s great.

It’s not just Hana though. At the end of last update, we get to choose 4 options about how we will end the night. Those options play into this update. There’s also an important Ian scene

Yeah, there’s a lot more here than just Hana. And if you have any interest in where PC is going, you’re gonna really like this update.

Hope that is sufficient enough info for you.

 

[Turret]

It’s great.

It’s not just Hana though. At the end of last update, we get to choose 4 options about how we will end the night. Those options play into this update. There’s also an important Ian scene

Yeah, there’s a lot more here than just Hana. And if you have any interest in where PC is going, you’re gonna really like this update.

Hope that is sufficient enough info for you.

Thank you and it sounds great! I am a Hana fan (among others), but I too am curious how PC goes on storywise and how the characters develop. e.g. the Ian scene you speak about, seems pretty defining for some directions he can go on. As said, thank you for this!

 

[Shadow Emperor]

Updates finaly out, now to just wait...or try to at least.

 

[HeartBreakerGaming]

when does the update get posted here? will it come out sometime today or will we have to wait for the lower tier release?

 

[Shadow Emperor]

probably when its in the lower tier, buut time will tell.

 

[Hector Wimbleton]

when does the update get posted here? will it come out sometime today or will we have to wait for the lower tier release?

probably when its in the lower tier, buut time will tell.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Let the delightful depravity, once again, commence