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MrBubu

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thx! nice walkthrough. The only thing that needs correction, that I found, is Veronica's starting value is set to 8, but it should be 5. It's can bite you in da ass if you're trying hard to corrupt and befriend with her
You're right, I will correct it later.

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There is a rather bad glitch in the game, when I load a save from before the second exhibition and receive a text message from Rose the morning of the exhibition it suddenly changes halfway through to a text from Hana and suddenly puts me on the date with Hana before I've done the exhibition. So basically the game doesn’t let you do the exhibition and forces you to do the Hana date and ends the game making you miss the whole exhibition. Anyone else experiencing this?
 

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It was considered, largely for the sake of having parity between Hana and Mina's respective scenes, but having Edwin explain the situation with Mina, her bucket list, and the impetus behind it seemed (to me) pretty out of step with the pace and tone of the scene. It's true that the longer Edwin waits to bring it up, the more damning it becomes if he does choose to broach the subject with Hana, but let me assure you it's not something I plan on dragging out for the sake of cheap drama.

(...and let's not forget if you're Felicia's would-be sugar baby, that would be a whole other thing to explain. :KEK:)

So I settled on having Edwin acknowledge he's at a (fast-approaching) critical juncture, as I believe there's a better time and place for him to bring it up that will more neatly set up and lay out the various outcomes.
Thank you for making Veronica Week 2 Competition Max Point now being 5 because that actually would add to better experience for first time players that specifically chose not to perform with Rosie. Since Ian+Rosie defaults at 5.

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I support your thought process on not having Edwin tell Hana about the Mina deal on the date night. The game is good because the characters feels like real people. And on that, I think Edwin as a person wouldn't tell Hana at that night anyway. This is a person that keeps her mother's secret his whole life, and player-dependent, suppresses his own depravity.

If Main Character (Edwin) is merely an avatar of "we" the player, then yeah it's disappointing to not be given the chance to be upfront with Hana right then and there because some players would want to do that. Me included actually.

But Edwin as a person probably rationalizes and find justification that not talking about the Mina deal would be "better for Hana" for that night.
 

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There is a rather bad glitch in the game, when I load a save from before the second exhibition and receive a text message from Rose the morning of the exhibition it suddenly changes halfway through to a text from Hana and suddenly puts me on the date with Hana before I've done the exhibition. So basically the game doesn’t let you do the exhibition and forces you to do the Hana date and ends the game making you miss the whole exhibition. Anyone else experiencing this?
Is this the uncompressed, non-modded walkthrough version?

You're the third person to mention this, but I can't replicate it myself and another person also tried and it progressed as normal.
 
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ename144

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Everyone is excited about Mina-Edwin-Hana threesome but personally I was more intrigued by possible action with Ian's mother:

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Considering she has her own profile I would guess it's very likely we will end up having sex with her.
You're probably right, but then again Victoria and Spider have profiles and all indications are they're off the menu. It's possible Grace may be included purely for her importance to the plot/other characters. Personally I'd say the MC's well established crush on Grace is a better indication that she'll eventually see some action than her profile page.


It's my second favourite time of the season behind playing the update itself: discussions after an update.

That was great. I actually booted up my very first run's save initially, in which I friendzoned everybody and just stumbled along in an eerily monk-like fashion, so I was hella confused when my hangout with Ian came to an end and the update also suddenly ended.

Whoops. Booted up the Hana route save right after and got exactly what I came for: some good ol' goth girlfriend romance. Before I jump into it though, there are just some random thoughts that came from choosing who to go to after the exhibition.

VERY long thoughts ahead.

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As always, the update was worth every bit of the wait and has me actively feeling mad that GIL and TD don't have 10k subscribers on Patreon. I may need to start reining in my post-update thoughts because this one somehow ended up even longer than last time. By the epilogue I might be writing full on dissertations. Whew.

Anyways, again, that just speaks to the quality of this game and it's a comforting thought that our boys don't miss.

One last thought: what is the track that plays during the last decision of the Hana date, when you can tell her that you want to start a relationship with her? It's a real soft and smooth piece and very fitting for the sentimental scene.
Excellent analysis. But I have a few points of disagreement.
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I think you need to pass a Trust check (possible with the choice of accepting the birthday gift) with Kath.

I've just used the cheat mod to set to the pts of Kath's Affinity and Trust as if I have chosen the "best" choice for MC's corrupt path. FYI, at that very moment the Affinity and Trust pts for Kath are 24 and 15 respectively.
Eh, my main MC has about as bad a relationship with Kat as it's possible to have and he still had the option to go to Kathleen at the end of Chapter 3. I think you just need the latest versions of Pale Carnations (either the Ch3Up4 public release, or Ch4Up1).


Pretty much +1 but I for one didn't like Cynthia's appearance, seemed like a filler to me. Also, nice observation with Chuck (assuming we're talking about this line that also stood out for me):

Unlike some people around me, it's a comfort to know that at least you know not to bite the hand that feeds.

although I'm not sure how to take it. It's not like Chuck is paying Kat or August (and the latter has more shares in the club than Chuck IIRC). Then again he snapped at patrons at one time when they were interfering with his enjoyment suggesting he thinks that this club is his private party and HE decides what goes here and what doesn't (which in a way is true, except there are two other owners and some of the patrons aren't to be trifled with).

There's also possibility that he was talking about Warren or maybe Dahlia who protested at one point and then had a chance to see the real Chuck, hence she's so afraid of him. TD knows how to use Chekhov's gun and just like Edwin asked his mom about Chuck I'm sure we will soon enough learn why Dahlia is terrified and WTF do we see Chuck in these weird dreams.
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But like I said, the main part, i.e. Hana scene, dragged out a bit. Cynthia scene seemed like a filler and didn't fit too much (well, if the date was going bad so far, I can imagine her preferring to talk to her previous bully or whatever she was but if it was going well, talking with someone you don't like during a date seemed strange to say the least) and I do wonder where TD is going with this, since we can encourage Hana to meet with her. Depending on the answer I might see this scene in a different light.
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You're probably right, but then again Victoria and Spider have profiles and all indications are they're off the menu. It's possible Grace may be included purely for her importance to the plot/other characters. Personally I'd say the MC's well established crush on Grace is a better indication that she'll eventually see some action than her profile page.



Excellent analysis. But I have a few points of disagreement.
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Eh, my main MC has about as bad a relationship with Kat as it's possible to have and he still had the option to go to Kathleen at the end of Chapter 3. I think you just need the latest versions of Pale Carnations (either the Ch3Up4 public release, or Ch4Up1).



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I seconded that Kathleen take. On my first playthrough playing naturally using MC as an avatar of my personal choice, Kathleen and the MC does not get along. I don't think the dialogue changes that much, the face changes though. There are more frowny faces after the choices.

When I made another playthrough embracing the depravity, it does feel like Kathleen and MC is in a Master and Student budding relationship.

That said, I always went to August when dealing with Rosie's debt, what happened if Good Guy Edwin ask Kathleen to help?

Did she just say no because it's policy?
 
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It was considered, largely for the sake of having parity between Hana and Mina's respective scenes, but having Edwin explain the situation with Mina, her bucket list, and the impetus behind it seemed (to me) pretty out of step with the pace and tone of the scene. It's true that the longer Edwin waits to bring it up, the more damning it becomes if he does choose to broach the subject with Hana, but let me assure you it's not something I plan on dragging out for the sake of cheap drama.

(...and let's not forget if you're Felicia's would-be sugar baby, that would be a whole other thing to explain. :KEK:)

So I settled on having Edwin acknowledge he's at a (fast-approaching) critical juncture, as I believe there's a better time and place for him to bring it up that will more neatly set up and lay out the various outcomes.
I can respect that. Thank you for the clarification. (y)
 

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but then again Victoria and Spider have profiles and all indications are they're off the menu
I hope you meant Jerrica not Spider, out of all female characters that have their own profile only her (and Grace) has no sexual content (there is also Sophia Lundgren but she does have sexual content and will surely interact with Edwin sooner or later, Veronica is off limits but does have sexual content).

Anyway, yeah, I'm aware that profile page isn't much of an indicator but considering we barely interact with her and we can make a deal with her and now Ian might be aware of it (and he knows Edwin had a crush on her, the drinking game confirmed it) I don't see a reason why she would be introduced in such a way in a porn game other than for us to bang her :]. I hate red herrings and so far TD hasn't disappointed, that's why I'm eagerly waiting on Ian collecting debt that Edwin owes him (if he lost the bet about Alice and agreed to do whatever Ian asked him to do).

BTW, when it comes to threesomes not only H-E-M is possible but also F-E-M. After all, just after seeing Ian sex tape she suggested doing her own sex tape but with Felicia and Edwin:

mina "You should see the look on your faces."
mina "I'm... kidding. Just..."
mina "...kidding."
mina "I mean, could you imagine it?"
mina "You? ...me?" "...and Edwin?"
mina "Nope!"
mina "File that alongside the growing list of bad impulses today."

We now know it's on her bucket list.

Did she just say no because it's policy?
I think she agrees but there are strings attached (or not if you have social chameleon trait).

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It's true that Victoria is likely unaware of Ian's worst actions, but I don't think she's completely blind to Ian's caddishness.
Just like Grace is aware that Ian is a man-child and a pervert, I'm pretty sure Victoria knows that too. On a side note, I wouldn't be surprised if she was attracted to him hence she's shown herself like this:
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She's basically flashing her vagina to her son(s). The interesting thing is that Edwin suspects that Ian is attracted to her too but he can't be sure.

Anyway, I don't think whether she knew Chuck's influence over him (which she might suspect, Ian and her are close after all) or that Ian was working in a sex club would change much. She is aware that their work is somewhat fishy and that it involves Chuck and she's not stupid. Also, seeing her son suddenly getting a huge apartment where there are different hot women around each time she visits suggests that. Maybe she suspects it's a strip-club but I'm pretty sure she's close to the truth.
 
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On a side note, I wouldn't be surprised if she was attracted to him hence she's shown herself like this:

She's basically flashing her vagina to her son(s). The interesting thing is that Edwin suspects that Ian is attracted to her too but he can't be sure.
Nah, it is kind of normal for a mother to wear a towel in front of her son(s) (she kinda is Ian mother since as far as we know she gave him much more affection and love than her) without even thinking about it. Imho Edwin is projecting and thinks that Ian likes Victoria just because he actually had a crush for his mother Grace. One of the main differences between the two is that Edwin perverted nature is twisted and repressed in total contrast to Ian who is immature and straightforward.
 
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Nighteyes11

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Just replayed this from the beginning and I seem to have encountered a bug? When Rosalind is supposed to send her second photo to the MC it transitions to Hana sending one instead and then the game proceeds directly to Hana and MC's date, which cuts out a lot of content. Anyone else have this issue? I am using the walkthrough mod if thats relevant

Edit: Apologies I saw a few others have had similar issues. I'm also using the uncompressed version so I assume it's an issue with the walkthrough mod
 
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RukuYa

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I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me but I just noticed that you can see faint outlines of veins on Hana's boobs. If true then that's nice attention detail.
 
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Excellent sex scene with Hana. I speculate that Cynthia will end up being Hana's first recruit to Pale Carnations. I would like to see the MC get involved in recruitment too: the place must always be in need of fresh meat, and it seems like it would be a logical progression for him to be thrust into that role.
 

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It isn't every day that erotica gets me interested in the plot, much less thinking abstract.
This one is my favorite for sure.
Most porn games go with the, "this is your one dimensional fuck toy, go nuts" approach but this one had me actually feeling the characters' struggles and going to mental war with myself on whether or not they should actually be here.
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Just like Grace is aware that Ian is a man-child and a pervert, I'm pretty sure Victoria knows that too. On a side note, I wouldn't be surprised if she was attracted to him hence she's shown herself like this:
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She's basically flashing her vagina to her son(s). The interesting thing is that Edwin suspects that Ian is attracted to her too but he can't be sure.

Anyway, I don't think whether she knew Chuck's influence over him (which she might suspect, Ian and her are close after all) or that Ian was working in a sex club would change much. She is aware that their work is somewhat fishy and that it involves Chuck and she's not stupid. Also, seeing her son suddenly getting a huge apartment where there are different hot women around each time she visits suggests that. Maybe she suspects it's a strip-club but I'm pretty sure she's close to the truth.
I don't buy it. I think it's familiarity meant to simply illustrate how long they've all known each other.

In fact, I bet if there was one women Ian wouldn't touch sexually with a ten foot pole, it's her. He views her as his mother figure more than his own mother. He doesn't want sex from her, he wants affection, love, and affirmation. He wants her to be proud of him regardless of his choices; Likely a reflection on what he wants from his actual mother (though we don't really know quite enough about that dynamic yet to say anything definitively, I think)
 
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