VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[wintershell]

Wowowowow
It isn't every day that erotica gets me interested in the plot, much less thinking abstract.
This one is my favorite for sure.
Most porn games go with the, "this is your one dimensional fuck toy, go nuts" approach but this one had me actually feeling the characters' struggles and going to mental war with myself on whether or not they should actually be here.

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[420691312]

10/10 update. can't wait for that hana-mina threeway

 

[Mograx]

Just like Grace is aware that Ian is a man-child and a pervert, I'm pretty sure Victoria knows that too. On a side note, I wouldn't be surprised if she was attracted to him hence she's shown herself like this:
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She's basically flashing her vagina to her son(s). The interesting thing is that Edwin suspects that Ian is attracted to her too but he can't be sure.

Anyway, I don't think whether she knew Chuck's influence over him (which she might suspect, Ian and her are close after all) or that Ian was working in a sex club would change much. She is aware that their work is somewhat fishy and that it involves Chuck and she's not stupid. Also, seeing her son suddenly getting a huge apartment where there are different hot women around each time she visits suggests that. Maybe she suspects it's a strip-club but I'm pretty sure she's close to the truth.

I don't buy it. I think it's familiarity meant to simply illustrate how long they've all known each other.

In fact, I bet if there was one women Ian wouldn't touch sexually with a ten foot pole, it's her. He views her as his mother figure more than his own mother. He doesn't want sex from her, he wants affection, love, and affirmation. He wants her to be proud of him regardless of his choices; Likely a reflection on what he wants from his actual mother (though we don't really know quite enough about that dynamic yet to say anything definitively, I think)

 

[Throwaway2022]

Anyone have a Mac link? Thanks

 

[MrBubu]

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[sunaboz]

I don't buy it. I think it's familiarity meant to simply illustrate how long they've all known each other.

In fact, I bet if there was one women Ian wouldn't touch sexually with a ten foot pole, it's her. He views her as his mother figure more than his own mother. He doesn't want sex from her, he wants affection, love, and affirmation. He wants her to be proud of him regardless of his choices; Likely a reflection on what he wants from his actual mother (though we don't really know quite enough about that dynamic yet to say anything definitively, I think)

I never said that Ian is attracted to her, I said that Edwin suspects that and that Victoria is attracted to Ian. Anyway, at this point you're probably right about Ian but under different circumstances (Ian learning about Edwin porking Mina or seeing Victoria doing porn) this might change.

Either way, seeing a mother wearing only such a short towel isn't normal and she's not even Ian's mother so that's even more weird. And let me remind you it's a porn game so you can't blame me for jumping to such conclusions :].

Nah, it is kind of normal for a mother to wear a towel in front of her son(s)

I could agree if the towel was significantly longer but maybe it's just engine's limitation or GIL grabbed the first towel he could get his hands on.

Welp, it's just some silly discussion, either way works for me.

 

[ename144]

I seconded that Kathleen take. On my first playthrough playing naturally using MC as an avatar of my personal choice, Kathleen and the MC does not get along. I don't think the dialogue changes that much, the face changes though. There are more frowny faces after the choices.

When I made another playthrough embracing the depravity, it does feel like Kathleen and MC is in a Master and Student budding relationship.

That said, I always went to August when dealing with Rosie's debt, what happened if Good Guy Edwin ask Kathleen to help?

Did she just say no because it's policy?

Basically, but it's clear she doesn't put much stock in the MC's request in this case. (To be clear, Kathleen does take care of the immediate problem, but she insists on extracting a hook.)

I hope you meant Jerrica not Spider, out of all female characters that have their own profile only her (and Grace) has no sexual content (there is also Sophia Lundgren but she does have sexual content and will surely interact with Edwin sooner or later, Veronica is off limits but does have sexual content).

Anyway, yeah, I'm aware that profile page isn't much of an indicator but considering we barely interact with her and we can make a deal with her and now Ian might be aware of it (and he knows Edwin had a crush on her, the drinking game confirmed it) I don't see a reason why she would be introduced in such a way in a porn game other than for us to bang her :]. I hate red herrings and so far TD hasn't disappointed, that's why I'm eagerly waiting on Ian collecting debt that Edwin owes him (if he lost the bet about Alice and agreed to do whatever Ian asked him to do).

No, I definitely meant Spider. The way I see it, he's a male side character; if he's getting his own profile page it must be because of his importance to the plot (or Hana's arc). I'm pretty sure we aren't banging him no matter what we try.

My point is that Grace definitely has an important role in the story thanks to her affect on Ian's life. It's therefore *possible* that will be her only role; if TD doesn't have any sexual plans for her, I won't feel ripped off as long as her attempted deal with the MC is paid off in Ian's arc.

But in practice I agree some sort of sex scene seems likely given how much the game has played up the MC's early fascination with Grace.

 

[Turret]

I never said that Ian is attracted to her, I said that Edwin suspects that and that Victoria is attracted to Ian. Anyway, at this point you're probably right about Ian but under different circumstances (Ian learning about Edwin porking Mina or seeing Victoria doing porn) this might change.

Hi! My current theory on those two is that there IS an attraction between Victoria and Ian. In his case this attraction is a bit overshadowed by the fact that he considers Vicki to be his Ersatz-Mom. She was more of a Mom for him than Grace ever was.
Actually, It seems that Ian has something of a Milf-fetish. After Mina has dumped him, he coulds in theory bang every one of his many conquests, but who is there with him? Alice! (Well, he is "Living next door to Alice")
I think most versions of Ian would jump at the chance to be with Vicki, but only if she would start it.

Either way, seeing a mother wearing only such a short towel isn't normal and she's not even Ian's mother so that's even more weird. And let me remind you it's a porn game so you can't blame me for jumping to such conclusions :].
I could agree if the towel was significantly longer but maybe it's just engine's limitation or GIL grabbed the first towel he could get his hands on.

In a game where we have fitting licence plates on Autos, Adidas and rock group logos on clothes, etc. I doubt that GiL did not find a longer towel. If that would have been the case, I think he would have substituted a robe or something like it. I speculate that this short towel was chosen with a reason in mind.
One, I think is to show us a hint of her porn past, no fear of flashing "the goods". You cannot be prude on the clothes front and then staying like that in porn.
Second, I speculate Vicki might have something of a crush on Ian too. When we let their scenes ingame pass by again, I think there are hints into this direction. Who knows, one or two of Ians possible endings might be a History teacher teaching somewhere and in a relationship with Vicki. One for corrupted Ian and one for a changed Ian.

feeling some level of trepidation regarding my relationship choices with both Hana and Mina...

In my "canon" playthrough there is no problem on that front at least. I friendzoned Mina in this one. I really like Mina, but there are several reasons why I decided against getting into a relationship with her. The only sticky relationship stuff my Edwin has in that playthrough is with Feli. He is going to the art exhibition as a special friend, I told her I will go with her anyway, even without money.

 

[AdmKnives]

I don't know what's happening but the game won't progress past the previous build, after spending the night with Mina or Veronica it gives me the end of build screen no matter what I do, do I have to run a new play through?

 

[TD1900]

I don't know what's happening but the game won't progress past the previous build, after spending the night with Mina or Veronica it gives me the end of build screen no matter what I do, do I have to run a new play through?

Are you using any mods? I suspect you may have installed an outdated one and replaced the new week2exhibition script with an old one that still has the save screen at that particular spot.

 

[Darg]

Damn, wanted fully commit to relationship with Mina but after this scene with Veronica

Spoiler: sad

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and becoming her friend, leaving her there is kinda fucked up.
I hope missing Minas scenes in this update and before that dosn't bricked her path, plus i think is better to wait after her break talk with Ian there.

 

[camube]

I don't buy it. I think it's familiarity meant to simply illustrate how long they've all known each other.

In fact, I bet if there was one women Ian wouldn't touch sexually with a ten foot pole, it's her. He views her as his mother figure more than his own mother. He doesn't want sex from her, he wants affection, love, and affirmation. He wants her to be proud of him regardless of his choices; Likely a reflection on what he wants from his actual mother (though we don't really know quite enough about that dynamic yet to say anything definitively, I think)

I agree with this take

Basically, but it's clear she doesn't put much stock in the MC's request in this case. (To be clear, Kathleen does take care of the immediate problem, but she insists on extracting a hook.)
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No, I definitely meant Spider. The way I see it, he's a male side character; if he's getting his own profile page it must be because of his importance to the plot (or Hana's arc). I'm pretty sure we aren't banging him no matter what we try.

My point is that Grace definitely has an important role in the story thanks to her affect on Ian's life. It's therefore *possible* that will be her only role; if TD doesn't have any sexual plans for her, I won't feel ripped off as long as her attempted deal with the MC is paid off in Ian's arc.

But in practice I agree some sort of sex scene seems likely given how much the game has played up the MC's early fascination with Grace.

Thanks for the screenshots! Appreciate it

 

[moqbull]

any way to recover old saves? Don't want to start from the beginning here

 

[aexiel]

I have to say, this is the best update to date. I fucking love Hana, she is the best girl and that is a hill I'll fucking die on.

I don't care about a harem if can get a pure Hana ending and I'm willing to pay money for that.

 

[aexiel]

Damn, wanted fully commit to relationship with Mina but after this scene with Veronica

Spoiler: sad

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and becoming her friend, leaving her there is kinda fucked up.
I hope missing Minas scenes in this update and before that dosn't bricked her path, plus i think is better to wait after her break talk with Ian there.

Same here my dude. As much as a degenerate I can be, if I had a choice, I'd rather be Veronica's friend than get another lewd scene.

but... Hana is the only girl I'd give up everything for.

 

[Garen]

Damn, wanted fully commit to relationship with Mina but after this scene with Veronica

Spoiler: sad

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and becoming her friend, leaving her there is kinda fucked up.
I hope missing Minas scenes in this update and before that dosn't bricked her path, plus i think is better to wait after her break talk with Ian there.

I had the same dilemma but went for the opposite. The allure of Mina's Bicurious +1 was simply too much.

 

[sunaboz]

No, I definitely meant Spider. The way I see it, he's a male side character; if he's getting his own profile page it must be because of his importance to the plot (or Hana's arc).

That was my second guess. Second because we also have profiles of Chuck, August, Warren, Jacob, Abel, that school weasel, Samson and maybe someone else I forgot but for some reason you've only mentioned Spider in the context of "off the menu". thanks for clarification.

In the case of Spider though it seems to me that he doesn't have much importance (even less than that school weasel) but now that Hana might be Edwin's girlfriend they might interact with each other more, who knows.

(...)
if TD doesn't have any sexual plans for her, I won't feel ripped off as long as her attempted deal with the MC is paid off in Ian's arc. (...)

I will and I know a discord channel he resides in . In all seriousness though, I would like to see it happen but I'll live if she will be off-limits. Now that I think about it, from Edwin's POV it would be extremely stupid to bone her considering she's Chuck's beloved sister and he might jeopardize his status with him (and his "scholarship"). Then again Edwin might not be aware how close they are or just think with his lizard brain not thinking about consequences.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Minas def wifey material so I kept hana on fwb status and kept her in the loop. Only thing I want is to see if i can convince mina to go in on a 3 way with felicia. I doubt i will be able to do such a thing, but still cant hurt to try

 

[ename144]

Hi! My current theory on those two is that there IS an attraction between Victoria and Ian. In his case this attraction is a bit overshadowed by the fact that he considers Vicki to be his Ersatz-Mom. She was more of a Mom for him than Grace ever was.
Actually, It seems that Ian has something of a Milf-fetish. After Mina has dumped him, he coulds in theory bang every one of his many conquests, but who is there with him? Alice! (Well, he is "Living next door to Alice")
I think most versions of Ian would jump at the chance to be with Vicki, but only if she would start it.

In a game where we have fitting licence plates on Autos, Adidas and rock group logos on clothes, etc. I doubt that GiL did not find a longer towel. If that would have been the case, I think he would have substituted a robe or something like it. I speculate that this short towel was chosen with a reason in mind.
One, I think is to show us a hint of her porn past, no fear of flashing "the goods". You cannot be prude on the clothes front and then staying like that in porn.
Second, I speculate Vicki might have something of a crush on Ian too. When we let their scenes ingame pass by again, I think there are hints into this direction. Who knows, one or two of Ians possible endings might be a History teacher teaching somewhere and in a relationship with Vicki. One for corrupted Ian and one for a changed Ian.

To be fair, without our intervention Ian *will* bang one of his conquests - Amber, the purple-haired girl he's clearly fixated on. If we don't push Ian to be more introspective he does his usual sexual degrading routine on her:

Alice only gets called if the MC pushes Ian to do some soul searching. To me this suggests Alice wasn't chosen for her MILFiness, but because she knows Ian well and he respects her judgement. For pure sexual allure, Ian goes younger.

On the matter of Victoria, it's possible Ian has a romantic thing for her thing her but I'm inclined to think otherwise. IMHO his reaction to the MC and Victoria teasing him about saying the word 'cock' doesn't feel like a shy kid nervous because a cute girl is flirting with him; he comes across like someone caught during something humiliating. That makes more sense if Victoria is someone he idolizes rather than someone he secretly fancies.

 

[Turret]

Alice only gets called if the MC pushes Ian to do some soul searching. To me this suggests Alice wasn't chosen for her MILFiness, but because she knows Ian well and he respects her judgement. For pure sexual allure, Ian goes younger.

Hi! Yesno, I would say. Well, I did not know that Ian could also be with Amber, I did not have the time to play all routes for now. But that he must have at least a bit of favour for Milfs is that he did jump into bed with Alice before taking in her judgement. It could have been a completely different scene, he and Alice just talking during a visit, instead of what we see.