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I agree that the carnations arent exactly main love insterest but i still want some kind of ending with each one of them as probably some people here arent instered in Hana or Mina as some as us are.
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The one thing Edwin knows, which Hana does not, is the art school part...but for Felicia, that moment is past. Realizing she couldn't use the power/wealth she had gained from marrying Elias to save the art school may have been part of the impetus for her to join the club...but saving said school is no longer possible. She's in it for influence and power, and that much I think Hana already understands, even if she doesn't know the underlying motivations that Felicia has shared with the MC.
I view Felicia a bit as the proverbial dog chasing the car. She knows what she wants, and she's having a good time pursuing it...but I fear she may not be equipped for what comes next if she actually achieves her goal.
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I do not think, by what we learn in the game, that the school is past for Felicia. She might not have been able to convince Elias to save it, but she definitely wants to reopen the school, so others can profit from having this school in their homecity.
- Nov 18, 2018
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I'll share what I mean about my "Fourth Carnation" theory.
The biggest clue to this is Ian. As stated, Chuck had told the MC that his job was going to be mainly work as a gopher and errand boy for the club, help the girls with stuff or basically do as he's told. If you watch how Ian is around the club, he's always off to the side or being ordered to move stuff around. He's the gopher, what Ian does during not only the normal club time but also during the events is what the job was originally described to the MC.
Kathleen, however, has other ideas. First off, the MC was brought in by Chuck. Kathleen has clearly been shown that she's trying to wrestle control away from August and Charles, by slowly pushing buttons of people around her. She has plans for the club that don't include the same sleazy backroom dealing bullshit that has been the status quo.
Paying attention to what the MC is actually doing, all through the game's major events and his time spent in the club Kathleen is playing her own game. In fact, I'd say she's been playing it for awhile. It would not surprise me even slightly if the reason Ian ask Chuck to replace Darius with our character was because Kathleen suggest it to him. Doing a thorough check on Ian like she has for virtually every other person she comes in contact with would lead her to the MC and every single thing about his life as well. Because for Ian, the MC is a really big button to push.
First we have the Rose interview. Tossing him in the deep end and giving him a chance to do whatever he wanted with a young single mother who from the beginning we know has parallels with Victoria. Going beyond that, even before the offer was given Ian had been trying to get the MC to meet up for him to meet Felicia. Ian knew full well that the MC was going to be encountering her at the Club and said nothing. This too feels a little to convenient. I could imagine that Killian is actually completely twisted around Kathleen's finger. All she would have had to do is play the doting mother act with him, given how his real mother acts. Encourage him to enjoy himself, to do as he pleased like his Uncle told him, giving him the keys to the kingdom. Then he'd listen to anything she'd suggest.
Even event in the office with Lucy and Veronica, I'm sure she already had decided that Veronica would be the winner. She knew full well that timid Lucy would have a hard time replacing her. Had it not been for Samson trying to grope V and her retaliation, the second game was probably set up to have Veronica win, just like the test of endurance that was the first game.
Why do I think that? Because Lucy is too similar to Rosie. Again, a mother trying to solve a problem that she can't on her own.
That's too mundane and boring for Kathleen, but breaking the Prideful Amazonian now that's a challenge.
But I digress...
Here's my main point. Through out both the first and second weeks, Kathleen has been having the MC face the exact same scenario as the Carnations, albeit in different ways. In the first week, the event was themed around "Dominance and Submission". When the MC succeeds at creating a great first interview tape, regardless of who, he's given a "reward" by Kath. This reward starts with him being tied and blindfolded and then pleasured by the girls. But in this scenario it is they who are in control. It's not until later that Kathleen drugs him with the sex drug and unties him that he experiences dominance, being stripped of his normal reason and just letting the beast inside him take what wanted from the girls. She gave him a taste of both.
Then in the event, the girls face the same dilemma. First, they are given control. They are allowed to present themselves to the MC in anyway they want but they have to figure out what it was he wanted in the first place. Just as a Dom would do to a Sub, it's not about what the Dom wants, it's about figuring out how to give the Sub the treatment they want without pushing the line too far. The girl who did the best, the girl who was the most in control and acted how the MC wanted was the one who won. The second part then became about Submission with Kathleen holding dominance over them. The loser of that round then became completely submissive to the point of not being able to move and had to just lie there and take being cummed on over and over. It even gave the MC the option of joining, and asserting his dominance over the loser. (though I always go talk to Hana instead.)
The second event is all about Shame. During the week, Kathleen made sure to give him not only plenty of opportunities to see people be shamed (Like Lucy being mistreated and abused by Iszak.) but also to be involved in creating shame with the photoshoot at the begging of the week and the ones during the week. Especially Felicia's. The winner was the one who the MC personally pushed to do as many shameful things as possible. And his decision at the end in Kathleen's office could be a massive deciding factor in the decision. She wanted to see how far he'd push them and if he himself would feel any shame in doing it.
During the event, she again gave him complete control over the situation and let him run as depraved as he wanted hoping that he'd drive the girls into the ground. It is never more evident than the Porno set up with Rosie, that Kathleen is trying to make the MC visualize his mother during it all and push his buttons. Charles even begins to realize it a bit at this point and warns her, but she only half heartedly assures him that she's not trying to do anything.
With Week 3 now approaching and his possible relationships with Hana and Mina in the mix, I do wonder what buttons she'll push next.
Speaking of, I'm almost certain that if there's a 5th Carnation, it's Hana. Kathleen is certainly trying to corrupt her in certain ways.
The biggest clue to this is Ian. As stated, Chuck had told the MC that his job was going to be mainly work as a gopher and errand boy for the club, help the girls with stuff or basically do as he's told. If you watch how Ian is around the club, he's always off to the side or being ordered to move stuff around. He's the gopher, what Ian does during not only the normal club time but also during the events is what the job was originally described to the MC.
Kathleen, however, has other ideas. First off, the MC was brought in by Chuck. Kathleen has clearly been shown that she's trying to wrestle control away from August and Charles, by slowly pushing buttons of people around her. She has plans for the club that don't include the same sleazy backroom dealing bullshit that has been the status quo.
Paying attention to what the MC is actually doing, all through the game's major events and his time spent in the club Kathleen is playing her own game. In fact, I'd say she's been playing it for awhile. It would not surprise me even slightly if the reason Ian ask Chuck to replace Darius with our character was because Kathleen suggest it to him. Doing a thorough check on Ian like she has for virtually every other person she comes in contact with would lead her to the MC and every single thing about his life as well. Because for Ian, the MC is a really big button to push.
First we have the Rose interview. Tossing him in the deep end and giving him a chance to do whatever he wanted with a young single mother who from the beginning we know has parallels with Victoria. Going beyond that, even before the offer was given Ian had been trying to get the MC to meet up for him to meet Felicia. Ian knew full well that the MC was going to be encountering her at the Club and said nothing. This too feels a little to convenient. I could imagine that Killian is actually completely twisted around Kathleen's finger. All she would have had to do is play the doting mother act with him, given how his real mother acts. Encourage him to enjoy himself, to do as he pleased like his Uncle told him, giving him the keys to the kingdom. Then he'd listen to anything she'd suggest.
Even event in the office with Lucy and Veronica, I'm sure she already had decided that Veronica would be the winner. She knew full well that timid Lucy would have a hard time replacing her. Had it not been for Samson trying to grope V and her retaliation, the second game was probably set up to have Veronica win, just like the test of endurance that was the first game.
Why do I think that? Because Lucy is too similar to Rosie. Again, a mother trying to solve a problem that she can't on her own.
That's too mundane and boring for Kathleen, but breaking the Prideful Amazonian now that's a challenge.
But I digress...
Here's my main point. Through out both the first and second weeks, Kathleen has been having the MC face the exact same scenario as the Carnations, albeit in different ways. In the first week, the event was themed around "Dominance and Submission". When the MC succeeds at creating a great first interview tape, regardless of who, he's given a "reward" by Kath. This reward starts with him being tied and blindfolded and then pleasured by the girls. But in this scenario it is they who are in control. It's not until later that Kathleen drugs him with the sex drug and unties him that he experiences dominance, being stripped of his normal reason and just letting the beast inside him take what wanted from the girls. She gave him a taste of both.
Then in the event, the girls face the same dilemma. First, they are given control. They are allowed to present themselves to the MC in anyway they want but they have to figure out what it was he wanted in the first place. Just as a Dom would do to a Sub, it's not about what the Dom wants, it's about figuring out how to give the Sub the treatment they want without pushing the line too far. The girl who did the best, the girl who was the most in control and acted how the MC wanted was the one who won. The second part then became about Submission with Kathleen holding dominance over them. The loser of that round then became completely submissive to the point of not being able to move and had to just lie there and take being cummed on over and over. It even gave the MC the option of joining, and asserting his dominance over the loser. (though I always go talk to Hana instead.)
The second event is all about Shame. During the week, Kathleen made sure to give him not only plenty of opportunities to see people be shamed (Like Lucy being mistreated and abused by Iszak.) but also to be involved in creating shame with the photoshoot at the begging of the week and the ones during the week. Especially Felicia's. The winner was the one who the MC personally pushed to do as many shameful things as possible. And his decision at the end in Kathleen's office could be a massive deciding factor in the decision. She wanted to see how far he'd push them and if he himself would feel any shame in doing it.
During the event, she again gave him complete control over the situation and let him run as depraved as he wanted hoping that he'd drive the girls into the ground. It is never more evident than the Porno set up with Rosie, that Kathleen is trying to make the MC visualize his mother during it all and push his buttons. Charles even begins to realize it a bit at this point and warns her, but she only half heartedly assures him that she's not trying to do anything.
With Week 3 now approaching and his possible relationships with Hana and Mina in the mix, I do wonder what buttons she'll push next.
Speaking of, I'm almost certain that if there's a 5th Carnation, it's Hana. Kathleen is certainly trying to corrupt her in certain ways.
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Any1 else having a problem with this update? I get to the week 2 exhibition where i meet the girls at the diner and i get to "fully commit" with rosalind, then i take her home and then the game jumps to the new update (this update). If i chose to use full deal ?????? It seems like i get thrown forward to the start of this update. I'll just use another choice for now 
- Sep 20, 2018
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I think you're ascribing far more power to Kathleen than she actually has. Kathleen isn't messing with the MC because he's a secret Carnation, she does it because she enjoys messing with people generally and the MC is particularly interesting with since he's a potential kindred spirit. To the extent the MC gets fewer menial tasks than Ian, it seems far more likely that's a result of him having more ambition and imagination than Ian.
Remember, we focus on the Carnations because the game is about the Exhibition and the Carnations are LIs, but for the Club the Carnations are a fun diversion. There's nothing inherently special about them; once the month ends they're either forgotten or made into just another house girl. I think Kathleen hypes up the Carnations because the Exhibition is the one time when she's allowed to take center stage in the Club.
Agreed about the Carnations being Kathleen’s baby - if you try to get money to help a certain someone from August or Chuck they both tell you that the exhibition is Kathleen’s show and they don’t want to get involved or step on her toes.
Kathleen is a sadist, so she will naturally gravitate to the person who either a) reflects her own personality or b) has an issue with it. I think the real reason she doesn’t involve Killian in the shows is that he’s not a sadist but a nihilist - he doesn’t do things because he enjoys them, but because he just doesn’t care because nothing matters. This makes him a perfect employee for the club but a terrible stage performer.
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I love both Mina and Hana so I can't wait for the next few updates after this part. Hopefully GF Hana doesn't bite me in the ass later
- Nov 21, 2017
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Hi!
That is not fully correct, you can get help from August for a certain Carnation if your relationship with him is good enough. "Just Oliver" gets an offer he can´t refuse, so to speak.
- Dec 29, 2017
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Well, that can happen, but then again PC is about choice and life is not a wish concert. We players will all have to choose one GF and only one. You might have and keep good relations with other girls in the game, but you have to choose one girl as your special one.
I think with almost any GF in the game it will be a wild ride (mainly because of outside influence), but the currently biggest limits I see with having Hana as GF is that it is quite clear who you will support in the Club when push comes to shove.
As selberdreher , greetings by the way, already said, Pale Carnations is no Harem game. While there are 5 girls as the main love interests and maybe someday a sixth "dark horse" from the left field like e.g. Dalia or Harper, you will have to choose sooner or later one as your heart leaf.
- Apr 17, 2019
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Damn, you're like a local guru, answering everyone's questions
I love reading your posts, you have quite interesting thoughts about everything that happens / can happen in this game
Thank you very much! But I am just an interested fan of Pale Carnations, not a guru. Hmmm...maybe playing the game from now on in the lotus seat with a turban on... has potential.Damn, you're like a local guru, answering everyone's questions
I love reading your posts, you have quite interesting thoughts about everything that happens / can happen in this game
I am glad my theories and observations are to your liking, still the discussions are only so great with all of us in the mix, you, selberdreher, ename144 and many other fans of the game.
- Apr 25, 2020
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That's when MC enters the game and affects Felicia's self-confident points.
That would be quite the plot twist a la trueman show. "You were the real carnation all along!"
- Nov 18, 2018
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There's something of a "lab monkey" feel to how he's treated. Put through various tests. Especially the aphrodisiac drugs. First the perfume, then the injection, and so on. Plus we know about Kathleen experimenting with Van Doren. I get the feeling her plans are to turn the tables on the men in the building. Kathleen is all about plotting, scheming and domination. I think she's tired of catering to rich old perverted men. Whatever she's using the MC for in the long run, I don't think he's totally her intended target. I think it'll be the patrons and the owners who are going to be on the receiving end.
Always keep a save at choices like that. Somewhere on Page 7 or something. Just so you know where it's at but don't accidently overwrite it.
- Jul 19, 2017
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I think a lot of that is going to be revealed when (if?) we ever get to meet Darius, the guy that did MCs job before him and seemingly vanished without a trace. Looking forward to that resolution, if only to find out what happened to him to take that ultimate road out.
MC’s date with Hana in this last update struck me as more of an athletic event than a romantic tryst. Veronica would have been proud.