VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Crepusculum]

Plus, having the "we're just a porn game" excuse is a pretty good tool when you want to conveniently deflect criticism.

NICE! Playing both sides just like those assholes that dare criticize what we're about.
That's a pro gamer move.

 

[HSHS1111]

Finally getting to play the recent update. Just me refusing to play this masterpiece without being in the right headspace.

Primarily one lewd scene but what a scene it was. Was that the longest scene of the game so far? Also love that you can go full depravity and return to lovey-dovey. To many games tie that to being a complete abusive asshole. Having the woman get off to the depravity without her getting "(mind-)broken" outside the bedroom is probably my favorite but unfortunately too rare around here.

Then there's a lot of branching and setting up for the future. The previous decision where to sleep has some consequences. Kathleen's present and future visits of Veronica seems to be tied to choosing them. Going to mom doesn't do much except for a few stats. Not too sure about Mina. It confirms her wanting a threesome but you might get there if you picked up enough bi-curious point before anyway. The bigger question here is if GF Hana will be down for that? Or if this was the only shot at making Hana your GF? Maybe you can get her later down the road. Also big prob to the facial expression here. The brief look of anxiety and disappointment when you agree with her to only be FWB before she puts on a smile again was really well done.

Not sure how Ian's paths come into play in the future. Best I can think off is having him under Chuck's thumb while fucking over the club owners will lead to problems. Similar having him self reflect and better himself might alienate you if you go full on Kathleen's route.

Another thing that I thought could matter in the future is learning about Jerrica's liking of cute frogs but the walkthrough doesn't list any variables being set. You only get to know it by answering the phone during the date. You can easily afford to spare the points you miss. Maybe her birthday being next month is out of scope for the game?

Anyway thanks to the devs for another great update. I'll be looking forward to more as always.


P.S.: Maybe the walkthrough that's up to date could be put more prominent in the OP than those that aren't maintained anymore.

 

[Deleted member 4058859]

Abandon hope all ye who enters here.

The truth is, I simply find incest uninteresting. I have zero interest in portraying it. I find whatever fucked up thing is going on in Edwin's head as he watches the porn videos and moralizes to himself more fun.

Victoria fulfills some very specific purposes in the story. The primary one being I have a fetish for moms doing porn, but I also believe Edwin pining for his mom would cheapen their dynamic and undercut the sentiment/theme I want to portray.

Considering it's just a porn game, I know it sounds like I'm blowing smoke up my own ass, but when you spend countless hours working on something, you tend to take.it seriously.

What about Killian banging Victoria though? Will that be an option? Or just about anybody else banging her? I find her character model in the present day significantly more attractive than what she looked like in the past.

 

[Milflover1010]

It's been previously clarified a few times, but as with everything in a forum setting, it bears repeating.

And thanks, but we knew when we opted to use HS that we'd be limiting ourselves. I never even expected to grow even a quarter this big to be honest, so I'm very grateful with the money we do receive.

Don't do incest but atleast make a plot where MCs mom has sex scenes with different characters that could be happen right we just want that milf in some action or any ways the game is good

 

[doffy89]

I went over the v5 mod and the original scripts and merged everything I could see with WinMerge. So now it includes the WT but also all the dialogue edits. I didn't include the Gallery Unlocker because I'm starting the game fresh and don't want it to be unlocked from the start.

Use this with the appropriate care, and keep in mind, again, that it doesn't include the gallery unlocker feature

Well, i have to start from the beginning in order to use that mod?Because i am in ch04 and when i pasted the mod it had a rollback and took me to the very beginning of the game.

 

[Lykanz]

Don't do incest but atleast make a plot where MCs mom has sex scenes with different characters that could be happen right we just want that milf in some action or any ways the game is good

But... That would be... NTR!

[insert autistic rant]

 

[CravenGrave]

I am just talking to Rosalinda about her problems.

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Not that this is really all that relevant but it does seem odd so I am wondering whenever I am misunderstanding anything?

 

[BrockLanders]

It confirms her wanting a threesome but you might get there if you picked up enough bi-curious point before anyway. The bigger question here is if GF Hana will be down for that?

Absolutely no question. Hana was jamming clams during 'never have I ever', and then later, in bed, she asked Edwin if it turned him on that Mina might hear them. Her reaction affirms either a) she likes that Edwin is being turned on by doing something with her in front of someone they shouldn't, or b) the thought of Mina being seduced by their intertwining is a source of her heightening titillation... and she wanted to gauge Edwin's interest in this fantasy.

Also, I too recognize the softening of their love-making throughout the night during their date... and I just love that this is her reaction after not only getting what she wants, but openly giving Edwin what he needs. She understands that he can have sex anytime but he's not having his needs met. And that's why she knows he's still human in there in spite of Kathleen's machinations.

Fuck this story is sooooo goooood.

 

[camube]

What about Killian banging Victoria though? Will that be an option? Or just about anybody else banging her? I find her character model in the present day significantly more attractive than what she looked like in the past.

Killian doesnt even have sexual attraction towards Victoria (refer to the drinking game event).

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Hold my beer, I'm about to sound like a pretentious ponce with this.

Personally, I hold the designation of "porn" in high esteem. We're so oversaturated with it nowadays that it's commonplace, but there's a long and interesting history of filmmakers transgressing and pushing boundaries, going against societal convention, to create titillating images that people derided as porn. A movie like In the Realm of the Senses was regarded as porn. It's gratuitous. It's inflammatory, disturbing, and provoking. It has value. Hell, even just two amateurs fucking on camera to make an easy buck, even if they're not intending to, runs contrary to the ways in which various institutions that be have tried to control human beings at large.

... and at the end of the day, my primary goal is to create something I find sexually stimulating. So yeah, I kinda like the word porn.

Plus, having the "we're just a porn game" excuse is a pretty good tool when you want to conveniently deflect criticism.

I respect that you thought it was the part after 'pretentious ponce' that was going to sounds that way

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

What about Killian banging Victoria though? Will that be an option? Or just about anybody else banging her? I find her character model in the present day significantly more attractive than what she looked like in the past.

Nope. Ian treats her more like a mother figure than his own mom.

 

[fictitious]

I mean, I get that some people don't like incest, but... why not make it optional/avoidable. Those that like it, will experience, those that don't, won't.

I can understand if there's just no realistic way to write it into the story, but maybe there's always a chance?

Edit: I mean, it's just good business sense. You would cater to a wider audience.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

I mean, I get that some people don't like incest, but... why not make it optional/avoidable. Those that like it, will experience, those that don't, won't.

I can understand if there's just no realistic way to write it into the story, but maybe there's always a chance?

Edit: I mean, it's just good business sense. You would cater to a wider audience.

This sounds like something someone who writes incest stories and makes incest game mods would say

 

[Drew Anderson]

Edit: I mean, it's just good business sense. You would cater to a wider audience.

Or, like any late added kink, it might alienate the current audience. Wouldn't bother me any, but seen it time and time again. The developer pivots to add a requested kink and ends up upsetting many more people than he pleases.

 

[TD1900]

It really isn't about reaching the most people or making the most money. All GIL and I are trying to do is tell a story we like, filled with things we want to portray, that features the kinks we like. Well, most of that last one is me - exhibitionism, prostitution, and filming is decidedly my side of things. We've been very fortunate that our present arrangement of story, themes, and kinks have brought us the level of support that it has.

Incest isn't either of our things, and even making it optional, would detract from the elements of the Victoria-Edwin relationship that I find interesting. It's never going to happen.

 

[BrockLanders]

Incest isn't either of our things, and even making it optional, would detract from the elements of the Victoria-Edwin relationship that I find interesting. It's never going to happen.

Sometimes... you just can't fuck your mom. Writer's prerogative.

 

[Turret]

Sometimes... you just can't fuck your mom. Writer's prerogative.

You really make it difficult to keep the perv pointometer up And I am not even into this mom fetish

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Listening to advice is one thing but when devs try to cater to all of what people want their game usually suffer.
The story should always be the one the developers want to tell and everyone else is just along for the ride. In that I thank GIL3D and TD1900.

 

[Turret]

Listening to advice is one thing but when devs try to cater to all of what people want their game usually suffer.
The story should always be the one the developers want to tell and everyone else is just along for the ride. In that I thank GIL3D and TD1900.

Absolutely! I am a hobby writer and know how important it is to stay true to what you envision your story to be. Yes, taking good advice is important, but likewise not to cater to every whim of others.

 

[fictitious]

Or, like any late added kink, it might alienate the current audience. Wouldn't bother me any, but seen it time and time again. The developer pivots to add a requested kink and ends up upsetting many more people than he pleases.

But why, if it's optional? Why would someone who doesn't want to see incest even choose to go down that route?

I get the story thing from a short story, or book, perspective. In that case, you can really just have the one linear plot.
But a codified game? The game medium gives you the opportunity to branch out, and tell multiple story paths (or just branch off for one or two events).

Victoria/Edwin sex scene could be a special, one-off gated event (e.g. one-night stand or special game/request) that's gated by some conditional code/choices. Sure, it would be more work on the game devs, but would cater to that popular kink.

Incest isn't either of our things, and even making it optional, would detract from the elements of the Victoria-Edwin relationship that I find interesting. It's never going to happen.

Darn. But at least now we know for certain.