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selberdreher

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ename144 said:
I do recall seeing some videos with camera graphic overlays at around that time period (though not a running timestamp, now that I think of it). The early aughts was when all the older videos were starting to get digitized, so these sorts of timestamps had been emblematic of digitized amateur content and staged porn always needs a veneer of authenticity. But I don't have any saved examples and I'm not sure how I'd search for them easily, so it's certainly possible my memory is wrong.
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Just a quick answer, because i am working on a longer post. ;)

Pale Carnation is eerily close to our real world, so close, that the events depicted 'could' have happened in ours.
We often refer to 'our' real world, because i think we can agree, it's meant to be a realistic story and it does a stellar job so far for being a smut game. No starships warping space with the use of dilithium.
However, it isn't our world or reality, it's not a documentary of real incidents, there is no covid in PCs world and no Morehead Hills in ours.

So i can easily go along with your proposal, since it's not that far off, it 'could' have been a thing in PCs aughts.

I was just curious, because i was looking through stuff like backroom casting couch, Ed Power's castings, czech castings, Woodman castings, exploited college girls or those clips in which an alleged shoplifter tries to wiggle her way out. BTS stuff from early GGG videos, desperate housewives etc.
Only woodman has a still image at the beginning of his shots; stating name, location and date of the casting, no running timestamps, though.

If you would ever happen to run into some of those shots again, i would be certainly interested to get a link or a studio name.
And leaving this specific issue aside, your reminder that porn shoots are being most of the time staged, is definetly something to take into account when talking about Victorias'. I'll keep that in mind when i am reviewing them (but tbh i believe i already did, like Victorias staged porn talk during the doggy). My posts are often already so big, if i would spell out every other possible explanation for a specific scene, i would probably annoy my readers even more than i already do. I leave bringing those other possibilities up to you guys.

Please note, i am not the pope, i'm not decreeing infallible truths, the only real authority regarding PCs story is of course TD1900.
I am just offering my interpretation of the currently available content, because i am interested in your views on it.
 
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ename144 said:
see, you're saying the MC has a DVD-equivalent without timestamps and an MP3-equivalent with them? Maybe, but I think it's a lot more likely the MC's TV is hooked up to play MP3-type files. We know Mina's TV has that capability (she found Killian's video on "a random USB" and Felicia shows it to the MC on her TV).

I'm also skeptical the MC would have a physical disc of the scene; it's not impossible, but it would have been hard for him to obtain it surreptitiously at the time, and hard to source it years after the fact (unless it was from a particularly solvent porn studio, but that's not the feel of the vid IMHO).
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Damn, i'll never get to write that other post. :D
My idea was like: he has the 'yellow' one with timestamps -for whatever reason- as a file (.avi .mpeg .flv, whatever) sitting on his desktop pc because he watches it there in the very first scene of PC and the date is visible on his monitor. There is also a TV in his old apartment, but -for whatever reason- he sits at his computer.
The 'grey' casting video, however, shows no timestamps on his TV screen, while Edwin watches it in his new livingroom after the first exhibition.
Regarding the physical DVD, it's not canon, but TD1900 left us this easteregg in the game files:
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ename144 said:
But it's not just that you start later, you also have to pay more. Medicine has a negative income for the first few years after college.
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I tried to factor that in with those 13 years, but it was late and a made a rough estimate.
Lets see: 23 x 72.000$ = 1.656.000$, +25% income gain from his career = 2.070.000$ total for engineer. After 23 years.
GP: 6 x -60.000$ + 4 x residency salary ~ 63.000$ + 13 x 230.000$ (no income gain) = 2.882.000$. After 10 years of education and 13 in practice. Looks like the break-even point could be reached even earlier?
Not that it really matters, in the long run GP will outperform engineer or physicist, normally.
ename144 said:
No, I thought he discussed it with one of the girls at some point. But I can't remember where and I don't have time to see if I can find it at the moment.
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I think i faintly remember something like that in his first meeting with Dr.Abel? Not sure, though. You could be right.
Anyway, we should also take into account that "Helping People" has has a much higher social desirability than plainly saying: "I'm doing it for the money." Most people don't like to reveal stuff about themselves, if it could shed a bad light unto them.

I have another qualm with this though. Let's say he really and full-heartedly wants to become a GP.

Do you really believe it would be because "I liked how the doctors tried to help and cared for my father, it was a great comfort for my mother."
Do you really believe the first thing which comes to the mind of a 6+ year old child is "Wow, those docs were great, i don't mind my dead father, i want to become just like them. Look how not-sad my mom is now"?
Pfff, my ass. They tried and failed. He died, those doctors sucked. This whole mess after that would never have happened, if they would have been doing their job right, right?

Whereas, what if Edwin would be able to help back then, what if he was one of those doctors, could he have made a difference?
Edwin wouldn't be the first person to enter a security, care or social profession after experiencing something traumatic in which they had no agency.
The policeman whose uncle was shot in a mugging, the social-worker with an alcoholic father or the medical scientist whose sister fell victim to cancer.
 
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Hi selberdreher and ename144 !

I just wanted to insert a little opinion of my own in your thesis defence discussion.:) I estimate that Vicki was in porn longer than we think (maybe she returned a couple times, so not a continious path) and Edwin has not found all of her porn there is or he simply labels her porn career as "for a time" no matter the length. We see in those flashbacks a progression from pure Gonzo porn to porn shots of higher production costs. And we know Vicki at least liked parts of it. She enjoyed the better production stuff and even parts of the Gonzo work.
I theorise Viktoria was in porn for several years, maybe, as said before, not in one string but with pauses to amass some nest egg for later and partly for fun. It was mainly for the money to keep Edwin and herself fed and under roof, but I estimate from what we know that she did not stop as soon as she could have.
 
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hellohello95zone said:
Wide hips, flat belly :BootyTime:
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And she's a switch. That scene in the sauna when Edwin "expedites" his pleasure in order to clear his mind... after she showed such concern for his well being and attitude just earlier... after she eagerly participated in Kathy's reward for him...

AND those wide, square hips and flat belly... AAAAAAAAAA
 
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hellohello95zone said:
Ah yes, that I understood. But it didn't make sense for me together with the rest.

Maybe I don't remember the scenes well enough anymore...
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Yeah, she takes charge (albeit with respect to rank) of Edwin a few times and then allows herself to be (literally lol) manhandled in the sauna... but she is capable of being dominant as seen when she is dominating that smarmy piece of shit in the suit. I like her when she's not acting in either extreme. When she says, "Aw, sweetie; some of the girls don't think you're going to last here," I think, yeah me, I personally probably wouldn't. I just dig her well-rounded vibe and I hope she gets out of Kathy's clutches.
 
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