VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[whizwart]

.....I replayed the whole game just to pick FWB over Relationship...totally worth.it.

 

[fffffffa]

I can't speak for anyone else. I can only tell you why I didn't find it enticing.

Up until this particular scene, every scene has had a point where the player could be soft and ease back, or be a complete asshole and push through what might be considered a 'soft psychological limit' for one of the girls. From face fucking Veronica on the floor while she is wearing a collar, to kissing Felicia while fucking her ass, to having Hana call the MC Daddy when she really didn't want to. None of these things were mandatory but if you wanted to play the sadistic path, they were available to you. They were things that expressed the dominance of the MC.

Then we get Mina - sweet, innocent, naïve Mina - who literally says 'What are your fantasies?'. And then...nothing. There's no choice where you can be an asshole and pull her up by her pigtails while destroying her pussy doggystyle on the bed. There's no choice where you can choke her out while fucking her against the window. I mean, there could have been a reluctance on Mina's part to the MC fucking her without a condom because she was afraid of getting pregnant, which would have added something to her request to destroy her and the fact that he creampies her at the end. In other words, there was no psychological element to the scene at all, because there was no pushback/reluctance to what was happening and no barrier to the MC getting what he wants. Mina just lets everything happen because what is happening is nothing that she wouldn't have experienced with Killian a hundred times in the past. In fact, it almost felt like she was mocking the MC for not being aggressive enough at some points.

If this was the Matrix, Mina would be the Oracle telling the MC/Neo 'Sorry kid. You've got the gift. But it looks like you're waiting for something.' And knowing the stuff that my MC has done to girls in the past, I know that's bullshit.

agree , a little disappointed

 

[whizwart]

I just finished playing this for the first time and bloody hell it's good
Move over other girls Hana is best girl
It's the kinda game i would some day like to see on steam
Although i gotta say i never choose any of the mean options i'm playing a super nice mc
Because i could never choose the mean options that are there in real life.

I'm like you, and the worst choice I've had to make is seeing Mina vs taking Veronica home after the 2nd challenge. Just looks so sad, but need that Bi point.

 

[camube]

Hana was setting an unsustainable bar

yeah this i agree. Hana's scene is long and varied and fiery.

 

[whizwart]

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[camube]

I love that with each update my edwin i becoming more and more like Kathleen. That buzzing scene was straight scary creative he was getting

remind me what buzzing scene again?

 

[Flowing Thought]

Yeah the scene in your apartment I would have liked some control over to not throw such a tantrum. You don't need to be happy or accepting they are there, but more in control of your emotions would have been nice. Maybe it makes sense for some paths to be unable to control them, however it doesn't seem like that would apply to all paths. I do like that if we played our cards right earlier in the episode Sophia was nicer to us as they left. Sophia is my favorite girl so I'm glad we are finally interacting with her more.

 

[camube]

There was a discordant note in this update:...
Instead it was the reception that the MC gave Abel and Sophia when they did him the honor of paying him a visit

There is playing MC where the MC is leaning towards the Club and there is the opposite way of playing MC where the MC doesn't lean towards the Club.

And for the latter, the apartment scene makes sense TD1900
Just want to throw my 2 cents that the way you write it is really fine

If you swapped Hana and Mina's scenes around it would have made more sense.

I do agree with OsirianObsidian here, swapping Hana's scene with Mina's scene would make sense (too).
It still provides a contrast between the two and provides a contrast between Hana and Mina's exterior and how they are in private.

However I also do think Mina's scene on this update is just TD's way of giving appetizer for the rest of the game's Mina's content. So in a way, starting slow is deliberate.

Hana's scene in contrast is far longer though.
Putting aside how fiery Hana's scene was, it was just objectively longer than Mina's and for me, it was that that was lacking. The length of Mina's scene in comparison to Hana's.

 

[TD1900]

Then we get Mina - sweet, innocent, naïve Mina - who literally says 'What are your fantasies?'. And then...nothing. There's no choice where you can be an asshole and pull her up by her pigtails while destroying her pussy doggystyle on the bed. There's no choice where you can choke her out while fucking her against the window. I mean, there could have been a reluctance on Mina's part to the MC fucking her without a condom because she was afraid of getting pregnant, which would have added something to her request to destroy her and the fact that he creampies her at the end. In other words, there was no psychological element to the scene at all, because there was no pushback/reluctance to what was happening and no barrier to the MC getting what he wants. Mina just lets everything happen because what is happening is nothing that she wouldn't have experienced with Killian a hundred times in the past. In fact, it almost felt like she was mocking the MC for not being aggressive enough at some points.

Honestly, I do get why you wouldn't and it's not like I'm trying to convince you otherwise. Porn is either hot or it isn't after all, and tastes vary. For me, even the club stuff doesn't go as hard as I would personally find enticing. No scene has for me, as of yet.

Still, I hope Edwin holding back comes across as deliberately so rather than incongruent. Even if your MC choked/spanked Rosalind in the parking lot or you pissed on Veronica's face, Edwin is in a different element with Mina. He's out in the "real world" so to speak, on an equal level with her, being asked point blank about something he deliberately represses. He soft balls his answer, comes up with something on the fly, and then only somewhat answers the question truthfully when he's less on the spot.

If that doesn't come across clearly or seem reasonable, it's likely a failing of my own conveyance rather than your understanding.

Don't get me wrong though, I still think you get a damn nice sex scene in my opinion. The boob press on the glass is a technical HS marvel and that final animation + creampie is woo boy. It not ticking any boxes and being disappointed with it is understandable, but I would personally struggle (with complete fucking bias ) to find it dull. At least on a visual level, I think it's one of the game's crowning jewels. If I seem overly responsive here, I guess it's because I'm very very very proud of GIL's work this update.

Putting aside how fiery Hana's scene was, it was just objectively longer than Mina's and for me, it was that that was lacking. The length of Mina's scene in comparison to Hana's.

Yep, like I said in a previous post, GIL and I knew Hana's scene would be something of an outlier. Not that there's not going to be any long scenes in the future, but there's a lot of fucking to be had over the next two chapters. This scene is probably on par with the game's average scene length, though? Maybe even a little longer than average? Sometimes I forget how quick some of the earlier ones are and wonder if that's the more prudent approach.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

remind me what buzzing scene again?

Sorry, cattle prod scene

 

[Flowing Thought]

Since the game was partially inspired by Starless just waiting for the bad ending where Edwin has his dick cut off. It will be too extreme for most people then.

 

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Game crashes on me whenever i start new game, only 1 render plays then it crashes.
I did everything u told.
Extracted it with an app, installed apk, moved extracted folder to Renpy and it doesnt work

 

[lewdgamerxxx]

Game crashes on me whenever i start new game, only 1 render plays then it crashes.
I did everything u told.
Extracted it with an app, installed apk, moved extracted folder to Renpy and it doesnt work

This error comes when you paste the files in the wrong location.
You must have done something wrong during the installation process.
If you have the archive delete the renpy folder.
Ok let's restart.
First you install apk, and run it. Allow it permission to access files. It will crash.
It will create a renpy folder.
Now extract the archive using "Extract Here" option and move the extracted folder to renpy folder.

 

[sunaboz]

The scene wasn't exciting because it was dull as fuck compared to what was done with Hana in the previous episode - you've got Mina literally saying 'what are your fantasies? I wanna help you with them' and we get basic vanilla sex with her.

I strongly disagree. Hana's scenes were also as vanilla as Mina's (Edwin making call her "Daddy" changed nothing plus something similar was with Mina), they were just longer which I found tedious. I infinitely more prefer the approach in the current update where we have a lot more variety and there is proper build up without tons of foreplay. Cinema scene was a waste IMO (especially the dialogue with Hana's friend) and sex after sex after more sex wasn't as appealing after a while. In this update however each scene mattered and if anything it wanted me to see more not less. That is a preferable approach in my eyes.

But yeah, we clearly have a totally different taste so I'm glad that TD changes it up so that everyone can be happy.

Don't get me wrong though, I still think you get a damn nice sex scene in my opinion. The boob press on the glass is a technical HS marvel and that final animation + creampie is woo boy.

Yup, one of the reasons why I consider this update as the best one yet. But in general this game is a whole package, it has everything I love and nothing I dislike (well, besides line 10801-10805 ;P).

As for Edwin not being polite with Abel, in general I would agree that he should filter his responses but the fact that Abel BROKE INTO HIS HOUSE makes it a reasonable reaction. You can't expect anyone to be calm as a Vulcan/android/sociopath in a situation like this and we've seen Edwin snap at several occasions (plus we know he's calm only on the surface, which bully that had his head smashed with a stone could attest to). And all things considered he was pretty calm, he wasn't shouting or throwing a tantrum like some users suggested (you could have said that if he would tell them to fuck off and get out without hearing them out), he just wasn't polite but straight to the point (which is to be expected).

In fact that scene might have been my favourite out of all the scenes in the whole game. It had mystery, great dialogues (that "Nazi" bit cracked me up, especially Sophia not blinking an eye when he also called her a "whore") and it gave tons of character development. Very important scene and very enjoyable to read and see.

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[Flowing Thought]

In fact that scene might have been my favourite out of all the scenes in the whole game. It had mystery, great dialogues (that "Nazi" bit cracked me up, especially Sophia not blinking an eye when he also called her a "whore") and it gave tons of character development. Very important scene and very enjoyable to read and see.

Nothing wrong with being a whore, unlike a nazi. I'm glad Sophia understands this.

 

[sunaboz]

(...)
This bothered me because, if I were in the MC’s shoes, I would abandon thoughts of med school and try to leverage my connections to get into the brothel’s management and ownership; and beyond that into a piece of the action with Abel & Sophie’s special pharma products. The chance to make a better connection with those two would be invaluable; not something to throw away because the MC was pissed he had to miss out on some more Mina time. At the least I would expect to be offered a choice: “Be an asshole” or “Be Polite.”
(...)

I think you're forgetting that Edwin knows he's talking to two degenerates (one is a cum receptacle, the other an old pervert that thinks nothing about proper etiquette - as the break in showed - or that experimenting on humans might be looked down upon) so he does have reason to believe that he doesn't have to be polite.

 

[bo77om]

Yep, like I said in a previous post, GIL and I knew Hana's scene would be something of an outlier. Not that there's not going to be any long scenes in the future, but there's a lot of fucking to be had over the next two chapters. This scene is probably on par with the game's average scene length, though? Maybe even a little longer than average? Sometimes I forget how quick some of the earlier ones are and wonder if that's the more prudent approach.

Hana's scene feels longer for sure, not just the amount of text and/or renders, but from the storytelling perspective, it feels much longer.

I , uh, don't know how to explain it more properly - it just FEELS longer than Mina's scene


still I wouldn't say that Mina's scene is, in any case, worse, maybe LESS than what was anticipated. And that's okay, someone had some expectations and expectations tend to not meet.
In a perfect world, 'Destroy!' options would destroy, but hey - if devs made it this way, and it would serve some purpose in future updates - hell, I'm on board

 

[Mfka5]

This error comes when you paste the files in the wrong location.
You must have done something wrong during the installation process.
If you have the archive delete the renpy folder.
Ok let's restart.
First you install apk, and run it. Allow it permission to access files. It will crash.
It will create a renpy folder.
Now extract the archive using "Extract Here" option and move the extracted folder to renpy folder.

Nope it doesnt work, i did everything correct.
It is what it is i guess.
I installed the apk, allowed storage acces, then it crashed, then i saw folder it created in Renpy. I then extracted the zip and moved it to Renpy and replaced the previous created folder and it doesnt work. The only thing i didnt do is delete Renpy folder,i didnt wanna do it cuz other games are using it as well for saves

 

[rainjones]

God I hate the feeling at the end of every new update
The overall quality and experience of this game is so high even in a mediocre update like the latest one (in comparison to previous updates), that I am unable to enjoy and appreciate any other game on this platform for a few days after I have finished the latest version.

 

[ProtoJoto]

I think you're forgetting that Edwin knows he's talking to two degenerates (one is a cum receptacle, the other an old pervert that thinks nothing about proper etiquette - as the break in showed - or that experimenting on humans might be looked down upon) so he does have reason to believe that he doesn't have to be polite.

The MC knows Abel as a powerful man who could—on a whim—have him fired, ruin his hopes of a medical career, or worse: this seems ample reason for him to be polite. And on the flip side, he knows that Abel’s influence could be enormously beneficial to him. Both carrot and stick align to urge polite respect, despite the annoying circumstances of Abel’s visit. That the MC was rude instead felt very much out of place to me.

Still, I hope that TD can create a route that aligns with your viewpoint. Perhaps the next time the MC visits the club he can spit in Warrens face—no reason to be polite to a low-life murderer, after all—and see where that takes him.