VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[TD1900]

On such highly debatable matters, it would have been actually nice to have a choice on how MC would react honestly. I must say i was quite surprised by how mad he got, even more so that he stated already that he wasn't quite attached to the place. In the end all the conversation with Abel would have gained with a bit more choice all along it.
Another scene that i think have the same issue is the one with Sophia in the lounge. It also felt like MC got out of hand there. Well i might be all wrong since i've given that update only one go.

Still a really good job there, don't get me wrong

For the lounge, the choice to take her hand or not does (somewhat) dictate if Edwin is cold or warm to her during their conversation. Although, you might be talking about the hag handy/punishment game scene in the blue room... there I'd argue his disposition is being affected by Sophia's perfume. You can see Edwin's lack of filter in earlier scenes with the aphrodisiac too; he becomes pretty frank when under its affect.

In hindsight, I do think being able to modulate Edwin's tone during the concluding Abel scene would have been appropriate. GIL himself thought it stuck out like a sore thumb when he first read it, as did one of our proofreaders. I maintain that Edwin has sufficient reason to be irritated over the situation, and it's not like he's playing toward an endgame (yet), but he is typically characterized as being mindful around the club's patrons. Him getting a handle on the situation wouldn't be out of character. On the flip side, I also think there's something to be said for him having rare moments of honesty. Everyone reacts emotionally on occasion and he's still a dorky 22-year old kid after all.

Edwin is a pretty well-defined character as far as porn game MCs go, so it's sometimes tricky to discern where it's appropriate to railroad his responses and where to allow the reader to choose how to processes situations and act on them. I appreciate when people point out these incongruities. Multiple gut feelings is useful information when what I'm working off of is a single gut feeling, although obviously I take them with a grain of salt.

I'm not sure yet, but I may just go back and iterate on that scene some to give the player some choice in characterizing Edwin's outward responses. As vague as Abel is in that scene, it's a pretty foundational scene for Edwin going forward, so it bears some consideration.

 

[Idontplay]

Hahaha loved how Edwin called Sophie and Abel nazis, which they pretty much are with their mengelian experiments.

Unit 731. I repeat, Unit 731…

 

[crunchycake]

lol

I really love the "!" or "?" choice... while the "?" one was just a dying wimp of the MC's ration. XD

Well done and 100 thanks to TD and GIL.

 

[OsirianObsidian]

After she broke up with her BF she became quite vanilla as a character to be honest...the scene didn't feel that exciting because the MC was merey having rebound sex with someone's ex instead of "Secretly banging the innocent looking girlfriend of his best friend".

ngl netori was half the appeal with Mina for me, that and the thought of corrupting the innocent girl and bringing out her inner pervert

The scene wasn't exciting because it was dull as fuck compared to what was done with Hana in the previous episode - you've got Mina literally saying 'what are your fantasies? I wanna help you with them' and we get basic vanilla sex with her.

On the Discord there's this speculation that the reason for this is Hana is more stubborn so it appeals to the MCs desire to corrupt her and bend her to his will, whereas because Mina is already compliant the MC doesn't get that same thrill and so is more reserved - which ties into the netori thing of banging the GF of his best friend. But the problem is that this doesn't jive with what the MCs inner monologue is saying.

I mean, we get an insight into the MC's thoughts when he say that he wants to fuck her ass while drowning her head in the toilet , but he not only cucks out from doing that, he cucks out from doing anything that would be considered remotely sadistic during the scene and goes for a lame as fuck window fucking session in which he completely bores both Mina and us with some poorly constructed exhibitionist narrative . This is AFTER an earlier scene in the episode where Mina admits that she would love to see the MC fuck Felicia , so she'd be thinking 'maybe this loser isn't the guy I thought he was if this is all he has in his kitbag'. If you swapped Hana and Mina's scenes around it would have made more sense.

I'm not angry...just disappointed.

 

[Takkatakka]

So, as of now one pretty much has to choose between Hana and Mina...I guess it makes sense...but still...I want my cake and eat it too, damn it!

And the scene with Mina was amazing again. I also liked the way it flowed in the opposite direction as the one with Hana.

 

[Takkatakka]

The scene wasn't exciting because it was dull as fuck compared to what was done with Hana in the previous episode - you've got Mina literally saying 'what are your fantasies? I wanna help you with them' and we get basic vanilla sex with her.

Funny, I like these scenes a lot more than the rough'n tumble in the club most of the time. Mainly because I don't want my MC to be a sadist in the first place and I try to fight with him against becoming one, I guess.

 

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[TD1900]

And the scene with Mina was amazing again. I also liked the way it flowed in the opposite direction as the one with Hana.

Thanks for saying as much. I hoped they would kinda bookend and contrast with each other. I've been really shocked some people have found it dull. It's some of GIL's best work IMO and I'm really happy with the sensuality and the build up.

Well, I kinda expected some of it. GIL and I remarked that Hana was setting an unsustainable bar, but that was about the breadth of future scenes, not necessarily the content.

 

[goulet1995]

can someone tell me how the bukkake prostitution multiple penetration and lesbian tags come into play and if they are avoidable

 

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[Mr. Muscles]

So, as of now one pretty much has to choose between Hana and Mina...I guess it makes sense...but still...I want my cake and eat it too, damn it!

And the scene with Mina was amazing again. I also liked the way it flowed in the opposite direction as the one with Hana.

Do you, tho? The FB route gets you both of them without any issues, apparently.

And yeah, the Mina scene was top-notch. Made a second save (FB) just for that.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

friggin cockblocks. If I was edwin and they ruined a night of mina for me to tell me bullshit, Id snap too.

Ian's mom was looking like a snack. I know, I know, but still.

Interesting that Mina gave in so easily whereas you had to work to make Hana say what you wanted, but it worked from a character perspective.

See told yall that Felicia would be protective over Mina.

 

[TD1900]

can someone tell me how the bukkake prostitution multiple penetration and lesbian tags come into play and if they are avoidable

Prostitution:
The game is set in a brothel, with many prostitute side characters, and three of the game's heroines are competing in a humiliating contest for the chance of winning a prize. Unavoidable.

Bukkake:
The loser of one of the competitions faces a punishment where they get bukkake'd. Unavoidable, although you can go hang out with another heroine lieu of seeing/participating in it.

Multiple penetration:
As of now, just some background stuff during a brothel scene, although there is an optional MMF threesome with one of the heroines that is set up for the future. So, uh... kinda unavoidable?

Lesbian:
There's a lot of this. One of the heroines hate fucks a brothel owner and she later hate fucks her back. Plus some other stuff. Completely unavoidable.

Honestly, if the hint of tags like these gives you pause, you will likely find this project distasteful - you could be surprised though, some people are.

 

[Takkatakka]

Do you, tho? The FB route gets you both of them without any issues, apparently.

And yeah, the Mina scene was top-notch. Made a second save (FB) just for that.

So far the BF and FB ( ) paths for Hana don't really differ much at all. But if you go all-in with Hana and fully follow that path you have to call it off with Mina. I don't know...it makes that path kinda boring because you will likely skip half the content of the rest of the game (or at least of the next upgrades). As of now I will probably do at least three paths, one with Hana (BF), one with Hana (FB) both with the MC trying to be nice and one with the MC going all-out sadist.

 

[Deleted member 3788572]

One day, I'll be able to properly manage my expectations for these single updates of multi path AVNs, even if in theory I know beforehand what will come. There's never enough story progression. That's a me problem though.
I'm just not really interested in Hana (outside of the Club)/Mina. With all the absurdities that are going on at the Club, having a "normal" relationship outside of that feels kinda weird to me.

On my save the last competition ended with a tie, which meant everybody losing and getting punished. The scene was nice, though since all three were drugged it didn't really feel like punishment. Maybe Harper should've gotten involved.
The increased screentime to Sophia/Abel was nice. I assume MC sticking his nose into various affairs at the club didn't go unnoticed. Sophia as a character I find slightly repellent (genius, yeah yeah), but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate her role in the story.
And Kathleen is harmless, huh? Disappointing.

Anyway I think I going to replay the week 2 competition with the schmoozing again and I'm looking forward to more time with the Carnations again soon.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I love that with each update my edwin is becoming more and more like Kathleen. That buzzing scene was straight scary with how creative he was getting

 

[Mr. Muscles]

So far the BF and FB ( ) paths for Hana don't really differ much at all. But if you go all-in with Hana and fully follow that path you have to call it off with Mina. I don't know...it makes that path kinda boring because you will likely skip half the content of the rest of the game (or at least of the next upgrades). As of now I will probably do at least three paths, one with Hana (BF), one with Hana (FB) both with the MC trying to be nice and one with the MC going all-out sadist.

Yeah, but I think that on the GF route, Hana said that anything within/related to the club is fine (but I'm not sure if the scene with Kath and Sophia applies), but outside of it, the MC is all hers. But yeah, you're apparently limited to "club scenes only" if you take GF route. I do consider this one, for now, my "canon" save, but I'll be playing the chapters at least twice at release to check the FB route as well, the writing in this particular route (FB) did hint and them not being a proper thing now (commited), but maybe later on.

I also did a third save, just out of curiosity, where the MC commits to a romantic relationship with Hana, but cheats with Mina. Who knows, maybe in a the multiverse, Hana will be up for a threesome here too and forget about cheating part

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

One day, I'll be able to properly manage my expectations for these single updates of multi path AVNs, even if in theory I know beforehand what will come. There's never enough story progression. That's a me problem though.
I'm just not really interested in Hana (outside of the Club)/Mina. With all the absurdities that are going on at the Club, having a "normal" relationship outside of that feels kinda weird to me.

On my save the last competition ended with a tie, which meant everybody losing and getting punished. The scene was nice, though since all three were drugged it didn't really feel like punishment. Maybe Harper should've gotten involved.
The increased screentime to Sophia/Abel was nice. I assume MC sticking his nose into various affairs at the club didn't go unnoticed. Sophia as a character I find slightly repellent (genius, yeah yeah), but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate her role in the story.
And Kathleen is harmless, huh? Disappointing.

Anyway I think I going to replay the week 2 competition with the schmoozing again and I'm looking forward to more time with the Carnations again soon.

Yeah I guess I'm in the minority here but I read all these raving feedbacks with the keywords 'mina' & 'katherine' and my brain just kinda files under yeah yeah meh..... what else are people writing.

Such is the Felicia li path - I imagine redhead lovers feel similar.

 

[longjohngold]

Nice, finally get to see what the effects of the girls winning/losing are so I can go back to the start of ch3 or whenever it was and try to wrangle things how I want... I think them all losing is probably the right way to go, though I guess that's the same as if both Fel and Rose lose, if that's even possible, doesn't seem there's a Vanessa and Rose lose scene with Fel in charge... butit's been so long I can't remember how it all worked.

Fel was looking super cute when she was all pouty about getting shocked, that was probably my favourite bit of the update.

Not sure how I feel about the boffin lady, she's pretty and all (very similar to Fel) but seems a bit hammy with just how flat her personality is supposed to be. Though, I thought it was funny when the MC calls her a Nazi scientist.

The other thing I can't figure out is why the Mina scene didn't really feel that pervy... it should have done, the MC went to town on her, he's cheating on Hana, also fucking his friends ex... maybe it's just because the stuff in the club is more kinky, maybe if we can ever drag Mina down there and get her embroiled in all the shenanigans I'll be more into her.

 

[ReZven]

is it just me or the walkthrough mod skips all the exploration scenes?