VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Spfjolietjake]

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Would you tell Mina if you had the option?

Actually for this vn i would. I don't know what that says about me or really care tbh, but yep I would let it slip "accidentally" asap

 

[Watcher X]

It's fine, I think it helps to keep the MC grounded with all of the debauchery around him. As long as no one else ends up fucking the mom...

That sounds like a 'if I can't have her then no one shall' type attitude, which is harsh and selfish. She is clearly lonely and lusting after Ian, if she wants to bone him then what is the harm? If she wants to have sex with anybody then that is just fine, she is clearly not meant to be a love interest for the MC so there should be no issue or jealousy.

 

[ename144]

I find Felicia quite an interesting character. For all her naivete, or rather frankly, stupidity, (nothing about being a carnation screams "fun") I think there's a genuine heart and genuine care for others. I imagine if/when Ian introduces Mina to the club she is not take that news well at all. At least I hope so anyway.

I find it difficult to say much about Felicia for certain. Her normal behavior seems to be... probably not an act but definitely an exaggerated affectation. I'm sure she is a warm and outgoing person with a sweet tooth for debauchery, but she knows when to play that up or tone it down very well. It allows her come across as extremely open despite keeping her motives almost totally obscure. People seem so surprised that she would want to join the carnation club that no one has bothered to speculate on why. It's remarkable they actually let her become a Carnation in the first place, though perhaps Mrs. Pullman knows more than we do.

Felicia being married was an instant no for me, Mina is Ian's girlfriend and, though he is an asshole to her, I am not going to steal her away. So for me it is Hana, Rosalind (her husband left her), or maybe some new character...

Veronica and Hana are the only two I really find appealing, probably in no small part they are the two who refuse to disguise their contempt for the Club.

Veronica's physique is a little extreme, but beyond that she might as well be made of awesome. She has a pretty face and her glasses give an alternative look that works for both allure or snark. She favors the direct approach but is never stupid about it. Her willingness to call the club members on their bullshit also conveniently makes me (the player) more inclined to trust that any kind words she offers the MC are genuine; that makes pursuing Veronica feel far less predatory than, say, Rosalind. Lastly, her taste and humor are a good fit for me. After Felicia's over-the-top nympho act and Rosalind's literal kowtowing in the first exhibition, I found Veronica's plan to massage and dance for the MC was much appreciated.

As for Hana, punk and goth are not normally my thing, but her backstory makes her a natural fit to bond with the MC and that makes up for a lot of missing chemistry. Her enthusiasm for motorcycles and music is strong enough to be infectious. It's also downright therapeutic to spend time holding hands with her after a session with rest of the Club. Naturally, I find the implication that Mrs. Pullman sees an advantage in letting the MC get close to Hana exceedingly ominous, but I'll trust the dev not to be completely sadistic about it. [Don't think I'm not watching you!]

As for the others, Mina is a sweetheart and I'd like her if she were available. But even if Ian is an asshole, breaking them up to get Mina would be wrong. As I alluded to above, Rosalind's eagerness to please combined with her refusal to take "no strings" for an answer means it would always feel super sleazy to try anything with her. Felicia is way too focused on casual (if kinky) sex to make much of an impression on me. As I said, I suspect there is more to her than that, but until it takes center stage I can't really judge her on it. And Kathleen would never work out. Even if I trusted her within 10 feet of my avatar's genitals (which - for the record - I do not), I'd be too focused on pushing her out a window to enjoy any sexy-fun times.

Would you tell Mina if you had the option?

I think it's a matter of context.

Ian's behavior - both in general and towards Mina in particular - is reprehensible and Mina deserves better. But Ian is genuinely the MC's friend and it sure sounds like he wasn't always like that. He also does seem to care about Mina at least on some level.

That suggests that before the MC spills the beans to Mina, he should at least try to intervene with Ian. Point out his bad behavior in no uncertain terms and see if he can be made to recognize how cruel he's been to Mina and how much he might miss her if and when she finally walks away. Maybe giving Ian some feedback beyond the blatantly misogynistic feedback loop of his day-to-day grind could help.

But yeah, if the MC tries that a few times and it has no effect, then I would certainly stop covering for Ian and probably tell Mina if the opportunity came up. Definitely not going to try anything with Mina after that, though.

 

[Bucketbot89]

That sounds like a 'if I can't have her then no one shall' type attitude, which is harsh and selfish. She is clearly lonely and lusting after Ian, if she wants to bone him then what is the harm? If she wants to have sex with anybody then that is just fine, she is clearly not meant to be a love interest for the MC so there should be no issue or jealousy.

I don't think it's an issue of jealousy, it's more how poorly Ian treats women, especially his own girlfriend. Why would this MC not try to keep the two of them apart? Especially given how appreciative he is at the sacrifices she's made for his sake over the years. He knows he's just gonna treat her like shit.

 

[Bucketbot89]

I think it's a matter of context.

Ian's behavior - both in general and towards Mina in particular - is reprehensible and Mina deserves better. But Ian is genuinely the MC's friend and it sure sounds like he wasn't always like that. He also does seem to care about Mina at least on some level.

That suggests that before the MC spills the beans to Mina, he should at least try to intervene with Ian. Point out his bad behavior in no uncertain terms and see if he can be made to recognize how cruel he's been to Mina and how much he might miss her if and when she finally walks away. Maybe giving Ian some feedback beyond the blatantly misogynistic feedback loop of his day-to-day grind could help.

But yeah, if the MC tries that a few times and it has no effect, then I would certainly stop covering for Ian and probably tell Mina if the opportunity came up. Definitely not going to try anything with Mina after that, though.

Mina already knows Ian is a cheating scumbag. Correct me if I'm wrong but she outright tells you she knows. Felicia has tried telling her before to no avail. As for Ian himself, even he knows he's despicable but doesn't seem to care much if at all. So yeah I feel no guilt if Mina leaves him for MC.

 

[Ed Rivera]

New update doesn't allow to save.

 

[Maviarab]

New update doesn't allow to save.

Don't recall anyone else having an issue with it....

 

[runz]

animated or not?

 

[quorkboy]

I don't think it's an issue of jealousy, it's more how poorly Ian treats women, especially his own girlfriend. Why would this MC not try to keep the two of them apart? Especially given how appreciative he is at the sacrifices she's made for his sake over the years. He knows he's just gonna treat her like shit.

Except the post to which Watcher X replied didn't say "as long as Ian doesn't fuck her." It said "as long as no one else fucks her."

Which is jealousy. And selfish. An MC who loves his mother (as this one clearly does) would want her to be happy. He might not want to think about her fucking anyone - though his continued watching of her videos likely means on some level he's not going to have a problem thinking about it. But he wouldn't take the attitude of "me or no one."

 

[MrFriendly]

Except the post to which Watcher X replied didn't say "as long as Ian doesn't fuck her." It said "as long as no one else fucks her."

Which is jealousy. And selfish. An MC who loves his mother (as this one clearly does) would want her to be happy. He might not want to think about her fucking anyone - though his continued watching of her videos likely means on some level he's not going to have a problem thinking about it. But he wouldn't take the attitude of "me or no one."

Its amusing when people assume they know my emotional state. I am not “jealous” or “selfish” because I am not the MC and I, as a player, don’t want the Mom to be with anyone else. Not because the mom/son relationship should require sex but rather because there isn’t a single male character in this game who is worthy to touch the MC’s mom... Everyone that the MC has met is connected to the club, they are cheaters, people who get off on women being degraded, abused, and treated like sex objects. Ian is one of the worst and the idea that the MC should be happy that his mom and best friend are together is ridiculous. Ian is a piece of warm shit shaped like a cheating, whoring, womanizing human being. Why the hell would the MC want them to be together?

If the developers were to create a new character who is a caring, loving person. Someone who isn’t involved in the club and would treat her right then by all means let her be happy. But as it stands no one should be with the mom other than the son and, since there will be no incest, that means mom will end up alone.

 

[MoarDakka123]

Yeah, there was an earlier discussion on this same subject, and while I didn't comment at the time, I did feel the need to point out that you can want what's best for your family and discourage a relationship with Ian, even strongly discourage it, without being a creepy control freak. It all depends on how it's handled and when you stop pushing it.

But frankly, in Victoria's and Ian's case, you should probably push quite a bit, that guy is absolute scum.

EDIT Fuck, it just occurred to me, what if your mom is okay with that shit?

 

[Retromancer]

I don't know why people are arguing about who the Mom fucks, I think it's been said by the devs that incest is off the table (THANK GOD), and that Victoria is going to act as a moral compass for the MC. Which most likely means no sex with any characters introduced so far. I could be wrong about this, but it seems a stupid thing to be worried about with the information we have.

 

[quorkboy]

It's amusing when people assume they know my emotional state. I am not “jealous” or “selfish” because I am not the MC and I, as a player, don’t want the Mom to be with anyone else. Not because the mom/son relationship should require sex but rather because there isn’t a single male character in this game who is worthy to touch the MC’s mom... Everyone that the MC has met is connected to the club, they are cheaters, people who get off on women being degraded, abused, and treated like sex objects. Ian is one of the worst and the idea that the MC should be happy that his mom and best friend are together is ridiculous. Ian is a piece of warm shit shaped like a cheating, whoring, womanizing human being. Why the hell would the MC want them to be together?

If the developers were to create a new character who is a caring, loving person. Someone who isn’t involved in the club and would treat her right then by all means let her be happy. But as it stands no one should be with the mom other than the son and, since there will be no incest, that means mom will end up alone.

I can only react to what was written. Which was "fine with the MC not getting her. As long as no one else does." That comes across as jealous and selfish. It's the "as long as" that does it. Implies that your acceptance of the MC not getting her is conditional on that. If that was not your intent then I can accept your clarification. But it is how it appeared from the way it was written. If you'd expressed it the way you did here there would have been no confusion.

 

[Xill]

Hmm, I think people who want the mom to get on with others (especially Ian) use that excuse because they lowkey want ntr in the game even if Victoria isn't a love interest. The MC definitely doesn't like watching his mother's porn. He's only watching it to remind himself of the shit she went through and that the girls that work in the club are human beings too.

 

[Bucketbot89]

Hmm, I think people who want the mom to get on with others (especially Ian) use that excuse because they lowkey want ntr in the game even if Victoria isn't a love interest. The MC definitely doesn't like watching his mother's porn. He's only watching it to remind himself of the shit she went through and that the girls that work in the club are human beings too.

The reason I don't want her with Ian is because he's a cheating prick. The only other men that we see are the disgusting fucks at the club, so they are out as well. I want her to find a decent guy who is gonna treat right. In fact I actually encouraged her to stick with the online dating app. It has got nothing to do with NTR or incest or anything like that. (why'd you have to bring up NTR, that shit leads to arguments that derails threads like nothing else)

 

[Spfjolietjake]

Ian deserves no more pussy, no matter whos.

 

[Xill]

The reason I don't want her with Ian is because he's a cheating prick. The only other men that we see are the disgusting fucks at the club, so they are out as well. I want her to find a decent guy who is gonna treat right. In fact I actually encouraged her to stick with the online dating app. It has got nothing to do with NTR or incest or anything like that. (why'd you have to bring up NTR, that shit leads to arguments that derails threads like nothing else)

Because calling out people for that stuff is as stupid as calling out someone out for being "selfish" and "jealous" for a fictional character.

People watch comedy to laugh, horror to be scared, romance to feel. Same way people play romantic VN's. There are tons of them for a reason. There's not much difference here except for the added porn. And even if Victoria isn't a LI in this game it doesn't matter, she's still pretty hot and is shown as such. Regardless of what the MC feels, there's also the input of the player.

So maybe someone feels jealous or is selfish. It doesn't matter. How about we don't call out people for their "feels" or "kinks" eh?

 

[MoarDakka123]

Hmm, I think people who want the mom to get on with others (especially Ian) use that excuse because they lowkey want ntr in the game

Personally, I feel uncomfortable assuming motives like that.

 

[Xill]

Personally, I feel uncomfortable assuming motives like that.

That's my point.

 

[ename144]

Its amusing when people assume they know my emotional state. I am not “jealous” or “selfish” because I am not the MC and I, as a player, don’t want the Mom to be with anyone else. Not because the mom/son relationship should require sex but rather because there isn’t a single male character in this game who is worthy to touch the MC’s mom... Everyone that the MC has met is connected to the club, they are cheaters, people who get off on women being degraded, abused, and treated like sex objects. Ian is one of the worst and the idea that the MC should be happy that his mom and best friend are together is ridiculous. Ian is a piece of warm shit shaped like a cheating, whoring, womanizing human being. Why the hell would the MC want them to be together?

If the developers were to create a new character who is a caring, loving person. Someone who isn’t involved in the club and would treat her right then by all means let her be happy. But as it stands no one should be with the mom other than the son and, since there will be no incest, that means mom will end up alone.

Perhaps we could hook the MC's mom up with Veronica? Victoria seems like she could be her type, and so far I don't think Veronica is a bad person.

Obviously this would require the MC doesn't pursue Veronica on his own and that Victoria would be interested in a woman herself.