VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

Marry/(or as a Mom):

S -
A -
B -
C -
D -
F - All

(there are differences, but when i think of a girl good enough to marry, all are utter horror. even hana.)


Getting dick polished/personal pet:

S - All*
A -
B -
C -
D -
F - *pink haired chick (not touching that one *shudder*)

(if i'd ever met a girl with the body and face of a honey select model i'd surely not said no*. hot af. even when 50yo lol. with smaller tits S+++ tier kek)

An interesting list by you! I see it a bit differently, but I respect your opinion very much. I´d like to know why you consider all girls of PC as "utter horror" towards marriage? For some, that is absolutely true, but others not so much.
I had to grin at your placement of Jerrica. It seems she made a similar expression on us when she popped up first.

 

[kinkgamer]

Awesome renders for HS1- wish I could learn from the guy who is creating these. Great lighting work. Story is really special and it seems a lot of work has gone into creating the story paths. I am a fan, keep up the good work!

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[misfolk]

An interesting list by you! I see it a bit differently, but I respect your opinion very much. I´d like to know why you consider all girls of PC as "utter horror" towards marriage?

Let me try:
Rosalind has poor taste in men. She'll leave me for the next loser.
Victoria has already sacrificed one marriage in the name of her business.
Felicia is a self-proclaimed gold digger. She'll dump me for some sugar daddy.
Katherine is a manipulative sociopathic hag.
Sophia is a psychopath.
Mina has even worse taste in men than Rosalind. I can cut her some slack for being young and inexperienced, but what if her bad boy addiction is incurable?
Hana is fine, even if I don't like the tattoos. It's the in-laws that are the problem.

 

[Gab1]

Ok, but dont blame me for the long ass post, the only guilty one is the guy who post his tierlist.

I will make just one list to my favorite girls.

S tier.
- Veronica: the amazon lady is my top choice, impulsive, idiotic, prideful and with a pair of arms thar would crush a skull with easy, but i love her character sooo much, she is a hard worker, really femenine, and play for both sides, she has a really tough exterior and personality but her core is a fucking pudding, and she is so fun in the sack, that even evil old hag nosferatu has fell for her.

- Felicia: the golddigger and crazy wife, she is the definition of SLUT, but at the same time she has some pretty cute parts, her personality is weird, on one side she is really selfish when she wants something and spit in anyone who tells her no, But when she cares for someone, She REALLY cares, she would do anything for them, still since everybody judge her by her choices almost nobody apreciate her, and she has a low self confidence but a big self esteem and i have to say this, she is smart, the smartest maybe just behind Sophia.
Its all this that make her a charmin character, one that make me sad for not having 10 million bucks in my back pocket.

A tiers
- Hana: oh Hana... Hana is definitely the wife choice, cool as fuck, sweet as chocolate and tough as hell.
If you ask me she and Rose are the ones with the hardest time, the only reason she isnt with the carnation is because luck, she has high morals but only for important stuff like self respect and honestly, and she is so fun to be with, i enjoy the time she appear in the game.

- Mina: The closet pervert, who really is a ray of sunshine, the sweetest of them all but she isnt sure if she is by election or not.
Really smart but she hide it just to not be disliked, that is why she is such a good friend with Felicia, she has daddy and mommy issues, but she is working in them, dangerous in a way that if she wanted she could have any man doing her wishes, ANY. but since she decide to put her heart first before her brain she doesnt do it, in fact it is that what make her be so long with Ian.

- Roselind: sweet Rose is the most normal of them all, she has a soft personality and body, but if you ask me she is the toughest of them all, a woman that fight for her family to the last consequences, she could be with a piece of shit so her daughter would have a father, the one who can help the MC to overcome the trauma that Victoria give him, (no that she wanted, the MC is the only guilty one in this case), sincerely i want Rose to win, she is really envious of the others personality what make her really cute, she is my least favorite in the carnation group but is for too little, in fact all the Main Lis would be S tier but to make a distintion i put them here.

B tiers
- Kathleen: evil old hag nosferatu is a cutie, really evil, the kind of woman that enjoy to see other suffering, and more if they destroy their life in the process, she can really read other people and know what make someone switch, but that make her feel lonely, get jealous easily and she is smart but not as smart as she thinks she is.

- Victoria: Godly Mother, Victoria has a big problem, she has been idolized by MC and his friend, she is the most misterious character in the game, even more than Van Doren, she has a good head but i dont think she is as good as everybody says, to me she did what she did for herself too.
she has been a fantastic mother, so much that the MC cant hate her even after knowing her secret, and not only to him, to Ian too, who something tells me that has a special relationship, but not one like everybody imagine, i hope we could see more or even her pove, and who knows a Incest DLC for those who would get interested in it, oh and she has a big death flag in her back.
- Dalia: But she is a Whore!!!!, yeah she is, still her good points are great, she is a smart, strong and really beautiful woman, she really cares for the others girls and she does her best to protect them, she is someone i really wants to help, but who knows what will happen forward.

C tier:
Every body else.

So if you look close i havent put sophia in the list, i still thinkin where she could be, S, A or B, when i decide i would edit... probably.

I hope we get to see more of everybody else soon.

 

[Cricco]

So sad Ian and Mina always breakup if we're sleeping with her, really wanted to cuck the bastard

 

[Turret]

Let me try:
Rosalind has poor taste in men. She'll leave me for the next loser.

I agree insofar that Edwin and Rosi can have deep sympathy for each other, but a marriage would be difficult due to background and personalities involved. I estimate that the most probable outcome in the game is that after the competition both part ways in a friendly way.

Veronica has already sacrificed one marriage in the name of her business.

No counter from me on this one. If you remember, I mentioned a similar reason among others in earlier posts about why our resident redhead is not top of my list anywhere.

Felicia is a self-proclaimed gold digger. She'll dump me for some sugar daddy.

While correct that Feli calls herself a golddigger, the game does show us on the Felicia path that there is much more to her than just that. She is a talented artist, intelligent, quirky, a loose cannon in bed -and- loyal to those she really likes. Elias is a Vollidiot to not see what a raw diamond his wife is and how easily he could have gained her full loyalty.

Katherine is a manipulative sociopathic hag.

Correct and I would not think about marrying her ar all, but we see in the thread and game that she is a good option for when we play "asshole Edwin".

Sophia is a psychopath.

Experience showed me that there is quite some truth to the statement that genius is in calling distance to not fully right in the head. Sophia might be eccentric and quirky, but she does not need to be a psychopath just by her behaviour. Completely unironical is Sophia one of the best matches for a goodish Edwin, they connect quite well for Sophia being who and how eccentric she is. I estimate that our little bit of Chaos ray of sunshine will play an important role in several paths we can go on.

Mina has even worse taste in men than Rosalind. I can cut her some slack for being young and inexperienced, but what if her bad boy addiction is incurable?

Well, then you should show her why she does not need bad boys at all.

Hana is fine, even if I don't like the tattoos. It's the in-laws that are the problem.

How well TD1900 and GIL3D make their game can be seen in Hana. Normally I cannot find women tattooed to the excessive degree Hana is attractive, so for her to land in my Top 3 she has to be really attractive in body and mind.
As for the potential inlaws, that should not keep you from finding the right girl!

 

[BrockLanders]

Ok, but dont blame me for the long ass post, the only guilty one is the guy who post his tierlist.

I will make just one list to my favorite girls.

S tier.
- Veronica: the amazon lady is my top choice, impulsive, idiotic, prideful and with a pair of arms thar would crush a skull with easy, but i love her character sooo much, she is a hard worker, really femenine, and play for both sides, she has a really tough exterior and personality but her core is a fucking pudding, and she is so fun in the sack, that even evil old hag nosferatu has fell for her.

- Felicia: the golddigger and crazy wife, she is the definition of SLUT, but at the same time she has some pretty cute parts, her personality is weird, on one side she is really selfish when she wants something and spit in anyone who tells her no, But when she cares for someone, She REALLY cares, she would do anything for them, still since everybody judge her by her choices almost nobody apreciate her, and she has a low self confidence but a big self esteem and i have to say this, she is smart, the smartest maybe just behind Sophia.
Its all this that make her a charmin character, one that make me sad for not having 10 million bucks in my back pocket.

A tiers
- Hana: oh Hana... Hana is definitely the wife choice, cool as fuck, sweet as chocolate and tough as hell.
If you ask me she and Rose are the ones with the hardest time, the only reason she isnt with the carnation is because luck, she has high morals but only for important stuff like self respect and honestly, and she is so fun to be with, i enjoy the time she appear in the game.

- Mina: The closet pervert, who really is a ray of sunshine, the sweetest of them all but she isnt sure if she is by election or not.
Really smart but she hide it just to not be disliked, that is why she is such a good friend with Felicia, she has daddy and mommy issues, but she is working in them, dangerous in a way that if she wanted she could have any man doing her wishes, ANY. but since she decide to put her heart first before her brain she doesnt do it, in fact it is that what make her be so long with Ian.

- Roselind: sweet Rose is the most normal of them all, she has a soft personality and body, but if you ask me she is the toughest of them all, a woman that fight for her family to the last consequences, she could be with a piece of shit so her daughter would have a father, the one who can help the MC to overcome the trauma that Victoria give him, (no that she wanted, the MC is the only guilty one in this case), sincerely i want Rose to win, she is really envious of the others personality what make her really cute, she is my least favorite in the carnation group but is for too little, in fact all the Main Lis would be S tier but to make a distintion i put them here.

B tiers
- Kathleen: evil old hag nosferatu is a cutie, really evil, the kind of woman that enjoy to see other suffering, and more if they destroy their life in the process, she can really read other people and know what make someone switch, but that make her feel lonely, get jealous easily and she is smart but not as smart as she thinks she is.

- Victoria: Godly Mother, Victoria has a big problem, she has been idolized by MC and his friend, she is the most misterious character in the game, even more than Van Doren, she has a good head but i dont think she is as good as everybody says, to me she did what she did for herself too.
she has been a fantastic mother, so much that the MC cant hate her even after knowing her secret, and not only to him, to Ian too, who something tells me that has a special relationship, but not one like everybody imagine, i hope we could see more or even her pove, and who knows a Incest DLC for those who would get interested in it, oh and she has a big death flag in her back.
- Dalia: But she is a Whore!!!!, yeah she is, still her good points are great, she is a smart, strong and really beautiful woman, she really cares for the others girls and she does her best to protect them, she is someone i really wants to help, but who knows what will happen forward.

C tier:
Every body else.

So if you look close i havent put sophia in the list, i still thinkin where she could be, S, A or B, when i decide i would edit... probably.

I hope we get to see more of everybody else soon.

Not sure if you didn't know where to find the tiermaker... this should be it:

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Might save you some typing to make it easier to see your summaries of the characters next time, cheers!

 

[JasonsGranpa]

An interesting list by you! I see it a bit differently, but I respect your opinion very much. I´d like to know why you consider all girls of PC as "utter horror" towards marriage? For some, that is absolutely true, but others not so much.
I had to grin at your placement of Jerrica. It seems she made a similar expression on us when she popped up first.

Let me try:
Rosalind has poor taste in men. She'll leave me for the next loser.
Victoria has already sacrificed one marriage in the name of her business.
Felicia is a self-proclaimed gold digger. She'll dump me for some sugar daddy.
Katherine is a manipulative sociopathic hag.
Sophia is a psychopath.
Mina has even worse taste in men than Rosalind. I can cut her some slack for being young and inexperienced, but what if her bad boy addiction is incurable?
Hana is fine, even if I don't like the tattoos. It's the in-laws that are the problem.

well... leaving aside that marriage these days is a F-tier idea by itself:

- 98% are/were prostitutes/prostitutes getting filmed


if that wouldnt be the case:

- rose: maybe fine afaik. seemed to be a good wife/mother

- veronica: tries to be more manly than arnold schwarzenegger. lesbo. but yeah, just a man in a masculine womans body. probably great for a lesbian marriage tho in the husband role - if it werent for her obsessive fitness studio thing

- felicia: jaded rich golddigger. selfish. no morals, no warmth, uses her husband like a psychopath. seems shes also infertile maybe? but would be worst mother 10/10 anyway

- victoria: if we leave the filmed prostitution aside, she seemed to be a good wive and wise mother - aside from her full blackout idea to do porn of course. double that if she did it for more selfish reasons than just her son. if thats the case shed be even questionable without actually following through with the porn

- ians mom: horrible mother, good wife afaik - will change when she finally prostitutes herself to fullfill her husbands wish regarding ian by fucking edwin??!

- club prostitutes: no idea really. we mostly know them by being prostitutes

- kat: treats her husband quite ok actually in that one scene, although too patronizing for my taste. is a huge cheater, sadist, hedonist of course

- the nurse: mind broken psychopath, maybe good wife for abel though lol. at least if he gave her allowance to make out with edwin ha


regarding the non-prostitutes (yet hehe) - i think many points have been written here before actually:

- mina: cheater, hedonist, sex-focused, will cuck you anyway in movies since she is a young beautiful actress only getting casted for "specific roles" for her first 5 movies atleast (like it already happened for her first movie), way too affectionate with stranger men, likes her double personality as cute innocent uwu girl/ damsel in distress, horrible family relations, daddy issues, hates her mothers traditional wife role, scar-ed by her first relationship. of course also has very good traits like being considerate and thoughtful and kind, but those only matter for me if the huge negatives werent there.

- hana: "tough rocker girl" attitude is not my marriage ideal, same with bi-sexuality, scar-ed feminist men hater and bully victim who will need some "healing" (i dont wanna be her therapist but husband - does frequently backfire), horrible family members and conditions, daddy issues, most off-putting friends imaginable, also the strip drumming is not really how i picture a personality for a wife, dislike the tatoos visually and the reasons people get them often times (rarely stand for a life full of blessings). her biggest benefits in game are imo her distinction to the other women in that she is not a prostitute and not a cheater with a sex-obsessed bucket list. but comparing her to different good women i know/knew - she is just F-tier to me.



And yeah, jerrica hits my dislikes like mike tyson cocky opponents lol

 

[Gab1]

Not sure if you didn't know where to find the tiermaker... this should be it:

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Might save you some typing to make it easier to see your summaries of the characters next time, cheers!

Sorry, i know how to make a tier list, i just like my summaries XD

 

[JasonsGranpa]

Sorry, i know how to make a tier list, i just like my summaries XD

I find it way more interesting like that

 

[JasonsGranpa]

I can only remember Elias not wanting to finance Felicias newest idea. And that he doesnt treat her respectful which goes definitely both ways though. Does the game give info on who started with the bad behaviour?

Where there other things happening that I cant remember, since he seems to be so hated here?

 

[BrockLanders]

Sorry, i know how to make a tier list, i just like my summaries XD

Spoiler: No, no I wasn't saying don't do that. I mean, what kind of asshole would I be to criticize you after I wrote one out lol

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I was honestly just letting you know a lot of us like visual aids to help us digest each other's smut presentations

 

[Daken9]

Dunno if this has already been discussed, but might i suggest lowering to 20 the Rose relationship check needed to invite her back to the appartment (when she meets Victoria)? Right now it's at 25, which makes it straight up impossible to ace if Edwin took advantage during their first meeting. Might be by design but feels like an oversight since it's just a couple points that are missing.

 

[Turret]

I can only remember Elias not wanting to finance Felicias newest idea. And that he doesnt treat her respectful which goes definitely both ways though. Does the game give info on who started with the bad behaviour?

Where there other things happening that I cant remember, since he seems to be so hated here?

Well, Elias is a fullblown idiot! Felicia´s "newest idea" is not so new. It is that she wanted Ellias to give her money so she could save/reopen the school in her hometown. The thing is, Elias is rich enough that the costs he could pay from his "post stamp money" and even get lots of good PR for it.
He did not give Felicia the money and he cheats on her! That is the absolute headscratcher! Feli is prettier than Elias bed bunny and a firecracker in bed even under adverse conditions as we saw during the competitions.

 

[TD1900]

Dunno if this has already been discussed, but might i suggest lowering to 20 the Rose relationship check needed to invite her back to the appartment (when she meets Victoria)? Right now it's at 25, which makes it straight up impossible to ace if Edwin took advantage during their first meeting. Might be by design but feels like an oversight since it's just a couple points that are missing.

Thanks. I'll take a closer look at that. First time it's been mentioned, unless I'm conveniently forgetting.

Well, Elias is a fullblown idiot! Felicia´s "newest idea" is not so new. It is that she wanted Ellias to give her money so she could save/reopen the school in her hometown. The thing is, Elias is rich enough that the costs he could pay from his "post stamp money" and even get lots of good PR for it.
He did not give Felicia the money and he cheats on her! That is the absolute headscratcher! Feli is prettier than Elias bed bunny and a firecracker in bed even under adverse conditions as we saw during the competitions.

"No matter how hot she is, there is someone out there sick of her shit."

Or something.

 

[Turret]

"No matter how hot she is, there is someone out there sick of her shit."
Or something.

Hi! While that is certainly true in many relationships around the globe, in Elias case there is a lot more to it. It is rather telling that all characters in the game meeting or having met Elias are not impressed what kind of person he is.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

Well, Elias is a fullblown idiot! Felicia´s "newest idea" is not so new. It is that she wanted Ellias to give her money so she could save/reopen the school in her hometown. The thing is, Elias is rich enough that the costs he could pay from his "post stamp money" and even get lots of good PR for it.
He did not give Felicia the money and he cheats on her! That is the absolute headscratcher! Feli is prettier than Elias bed bunny and a firecracker in bed even under adverse conditions as we saw during the competitions.

Hi! While that is certainly true in many relationships around the globe, in Elias case there is a lot more to it. It is rather telling that all characters in the game meeting or having met Elias are not impressed what kind of person he is.

(did we get to see elias bed bunny?)

he is obviously presented as a fake try-hard, making a full role play just for a reporter and schwadrones on forever about things he doesnt really care about just for image - no doubt.

but that i was more towards their relationship actions.

iirc they both cheat, almost having an agreement on it. felicia married him for his money as a golddigger, elias married her for having a trophy wife as a guy who cares about a fake image. they both treat each other respectless (before felicia 10-ups it with the club).

so far just a shitty couple with shitty choices for a shitty marriage. then elias refused to pay 100.000 (?) bucks for her sudden (?) idea to support her art school. then she goes ballistic etc. etc.

i think people who dislike elias mostly for his reluctance to pay for her art school look at their relationship from the wrong angle. its not a loving marriage with mutual supporting each other. its a cold calculated business deal from both of them. and few like to gift 100.000 to a business partner just for no reason. of course it would have been nice from him, but her acting all upset is a bit too much imo. she can lead a luxurious life for the single fact elias married her for her looks and social skills. he is not her friend and she is not his. she should know that as a golddigger.

maybe she felt betrayed because she expected such a payment of 100.000 to be part of the marriage deal? but to me it felt more like she expected him to do it like a loving husband supports his loving wife. a bit strange

and obviously you get tired quick of fucking a cold blooded golddigger treating you like a wallet

to me they both just seem like absolute fools, with him being ungenerous, and her murdering his image with his peers

unless i miss something, i'm not understanding the disliking of elias and the liking of felicia

except tits of course

 

[Gab1]

(did we get to see elias bed bunny?)

he is obviously presented as a fake try-hard, making a full role play just for a reporter and schwadrones on forever about things he doesnt really care about just for image - no doubt.

but that i was more towards their relationship actions.

iirc they both cheat, almost having an agreement on it. felicia married him for his money as a golddigger, elias married her for having a trophy wife as a guy who cares about a fake image. they both treat each other respectless (before felicia 10-ups it with the club).

so far just a shitty couple with shitty choices for a shitty marriage. then elias refused to pay 100.000 (?) bucks for her sudden (?) idea to support her art school. then she goes ballistic etc. etc.

i think people who dislike elias mostly for his reluctance to pay for her art school look at their relationship from the wrong angle. its not a loving marriage with mutual supporting each other. its a cold calculated business deal from both of them. and few like to gift 100.000 to a business partner just for no reason. of course it would have been nice from him, but her acting all upset is a bit too much imo. she can lead a luxurious life for the single fact elias married her for her looks and social skills. he is not her friend and she is not his. she should know that as a golddigger.

maybe she felt betrayed because she expected such a payment of 100.000 to be part of the marriage deal? but to me it felt more like she expected him to do it like a loving husband supports his loving wife. a bit strange

and obviously you get tired quick of fucking a cold blooded golddigger treating you like a wallet

to me they both just seem like absolute fools, with him being ungenerous, and her murdering his image with his peers

unless i miss something, i'm not understanding the disliking of elias and the liking of felicia

except tits of course

You are not wrong bro, you are not wrong but you are still in the surface.

Why is Felicia angry with Elias?? Because Felicia felt that she had grasp her ideal when she married Elias, by her lone self she was able to marry one of the most important bastards in the country, right before the art school situation Felicia felt that she has become a winner at life, yeah it was a shitty marriage and they both are pieces of shit, but in itself that make them equals, and Felicia knew that, but when the art school happens she couldnt protect it.
all that effort, all that sex that she didnt always wanted, all that hate she got by her peers for being a gold digger, all that humiliation just because she was born in a town, every little thing that she had to face to obtain the life she wanted and she couldnt protect the only thing she has really wanted to protect, it was imposible that, that wouldnt eat her inside, why did she suffer so much and work so much if she is still powerless at the end of the day? And worst, Elias can be a pathetic idiot but he knew too how Felicia felt and he didnt care, even after marry her, he see her not as a disgusting slut, no as a shitty person, he look her as a subhuman, something waaaaaaay below him. And i cant forgive that.

In a way Felicia respected Elias, before that situation she probably did her best to protect his image, but after that, the humiliation was so big that she doesnt care anymore, because we have see how grateful Felicia is with people who help her.

What a nice character, complex and simple at the same time, kudos to the guys who though her.

Spoiler: Felicia

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[Turret]

and obviously you get tired quick of fucking a cold blooded golddigger treating you like a wallet

Hi again! Always nice to the arguments of other members!
Well, that is not a thing with Felicia! She is well-established by the game as a fullblown hedonist (which is one reason she sucks at taking and dishing out punishment in the punishment game) and loose cannon in bed, who is also "ready" under most adverse conditions. Having fun in bed with Felicia is most definitely not a problem!

its a cold calculated business deal from both of them. and few like to gift 100.000 to a business partner just for no reason

Yes, but it is also clearly hinted at in game, that even as a pure business decision Elias giving Feli the needed money would have been a great deal! Elias has enough money to not feel much of the drain at all and more, imageobsessed as he is, it would have brought him lots of good PR.

(did we get to see elias bed bunny?)

Yes, we can see her shortly once during the photo shot/interview.

Going by your argumentation, I think you are not on the Felicia path, which would show you a great deal about why Felicia is one of the most liked characters in the game, whereas Elias is considered an idiot by practically even the in-game characters.
And while your arguments are not wrong as such, you overlook some important points, which is why I think you did not play the Feli path.
Felicia is not cold-hearted as you think, she might be blase about a couple things and her social competence is not the best, something she is aware of, but she has feelings and convictions. In addition, look at the punishment game variants, Felicia is the one who held back to most of all three! And there are several scenes in the game where we can see how grateful and nice Felicia is to persons who like and/or help her.

I stand by my theory I mentioned already quite a time ago, that a win by Felicia would be the best outcome of the competition. If we have good relations with Feli and ask, she surely would use her new influence to help Rosi get rid of the loan sharks. In the case of Veronica I am not sure she would help out, maybe, but not without discussion.

 

[se20299]

First off I wanna commend the creators of the game. It's extremely well written, and all the characters are interesting, none of them feel like filler for a specific taste or whatever.
I also find it hilarious that a game made in a cartoonish anime engine looks 10x more realistic than most games made in Blender, Daz, Unity and the like. Seriously, the characters look extremely detailed. I'm gonna rant about some characters I like.

Edwin's a very interesting character. The whole game focuses on Edwin slowly being corrupted by the club, specifically his sadistic "mentor" Kat. For all the Ian bashing that goes on here, I suspect that Edwin is far more damaged and fucked up than Ian. He was already a nasty kid raised by a single mom who couldn't possibly control him, but seeing clips of his mother getting gangbanged and humilliated by strangers gave him some strange mother complex. No normal person sits around naked watching porn of his own mother for "motivation". There's a lot of bad juju in Edwins head that the game is yet to explore, and I'm here for it. I certainly think that Edwin has the potential to be just as monstruous as people like Chuck and Kat. His relationahip with Rosalind is also pretty interesting.

Rosalind is clearly meant to mirror Edwins own mother and stir up his mommy issues, putting him in the position of the same men that sexually exploited his own mother. It's a very interesting dynamic. As for Rose herself, she's far more vicious and cutthroat than she looks. She's a mama bear that's been dealt a bad hand, and I think poor Edwin vastly underestimates how underhanded Rose can be, both due to her doe eyed look and his own mother complex. Out of the 3 carnations, she's in the most imminent danger if she loses, so her only option is to win if she wants to keep her daughter safe. I think we'll see Rose's true face more and more as the game progresses.

As for Vicky herself, I think she's by far the most interesting character in the game. All we know about her is Edwin's own recollection of their past, and a handful of disjointed porn clips. If this was a more vanilla game, It'd be probably left at that, but I suspect there's far more to Victoria than meets the eye. We know she regularly did porn after her husband died for at least a few years due to the timestamps provided for us in the few clips we get to see. She serves as the proverbial angel on Edwin's shoulder, as opposed to Kat's devil. She serves as a constant reminder that the Carnations are humans too. Since we know so little about Vicky, there are a lot of interesting theories floatig around.

I feel like there's a twist down the road that's going to test Edwin's bond with Vicky somehow, and either push him further into Kat's clutches, or help him eventually overcome his demons. My personal theory is that Vicky isn't nearly as innocent as Edwin and Ian believe her to be. She most likely stayed in porn way longer than neccesary because she enjoyed getting filmed doing gangbangs, and other sexual acts. Every character in this game is a freak or a closet freak, and it'd be dissapointing if the author didn't do anything interesting with Vicky after such an interesting setup.

I also really like Hana. Despite her flashy looks and tatoos, she mostly stands out by being a relatively normal, level headed girl surrounded by degenerates and freaks. I feel like she's the most positive influence on Edwin in the whole game, and her comments and reaction to the games are a reminder of how fucked up the club is. Being in a relationship with her might give Edwin the perspective he needs to leave the club behind, and that free tuition isn't worth becoming a monster. Of course, provided you don't cheat on her.