JasonsGranpa

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You are not wrong bro, you are not wrong but you are still in the surface.

Why is Felicia angry with Elias?? Because Felicia felt that she had grasp her ideal when she married Elias, by her lone self she was able to marry one of the most important bastards in the country, right before the art school situation Felicia felt that she has become a winner at life, yeah it was a shitty marriage and they both are pieces of shit, but in itself that make them equals, and Felicia knew that, but when the art school happens she couldnt protect it.
all that effort, all that sex that she didnt always wanted, all that hate she got by her peers for being a gold digger, all that humiliation just because she was born in a town, every little thing that she had to face to obtain the life she wanted and she couldnt protect the only thing she has really wanted to protect, it was imposible that, that wouldnt eat her inside, why did she suffer so much and work so much if she is still powerless at the end of the day? And worst, Elias can be a pathetic idiot but he knew too how Felicia felt and he didnt care, even after marry her, he see her not as a disgusting slut, no as a shitty person, he look her as a subhuman, something waaaaaaay below him. And i cant forgive that.

In a way Felicia respected Elias, before that situation she probably did her best to protect his image, but after that, the humiliation was so big that she doesnt care anymore, because we have see how grateful Felicia is with people who help her.

What a nice character, complex and simple at the same time, kudos to the guys who though her.

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Hi again! Always nice to the arguments of other members! :)
Well, that is not a thing with Felicia! She is well-established by the game as a fullblown hedonist (which is one reason she sucks at taking and dishing out punishment in the punishment game) and loose cannon in bed, who is also "ready" under most adverse conditions. Having fun in bed with Felicia is most definitely not a problem!

Yes, but it is also clearly hinted at in game, that even as a pure business decision Elias giving Feli the needed money would have been a great deal! Elias has enough money to not feel much of the drain at all and more, imageobsessed as he is, it would have brought him lots of good PR.

Yes, we can see her shortly once during the photo shot/interview.

Going by your argumentation, I think you are not on the Felicia path, which would show you a great deal about why Felicia is one of the most liked characters in the game, whereas Elias is considered an idiot by practically even the in-game characters.
And while your arguments are not wrong as such, you overlook some important points, which is why I think you did not play the Feli path.
Felicia is not cold-hearted as you think, she might be blase about a couple things and her social competence is not the best, something she is aware of, but she has feelings and convictions. In addition, look at the punishment game variants, Felicia is the one who held back to most of all three! And there are several scenes in the game where we can see how grateful and nice Felicia is to persons who like and/or help her.

I stand by my theory I mentioned already quite a time ago, that a win by Felicia would be the best outcome of the competition. If we have good relations with Feli and ask, she surely would use her new influence to help Rosi get rid of the loan sharks. In the case of Veronica I am not sure she would help out, maybe, but not without discussion.

very nice discussion. very pleasant without hate :)

i played felis path but its been a good while.

if i remember correctly she just wanted to leave her hometown because she felt it was a dead end and boring. she did that by prostituting herself first to the guy taking her out of town and then to a guy paying her college fees.

now i can of course understand the wish to make it big, but its not like a life in a small town is a brutal sentence for life. it might be more limiting. but she chose to prostitute herself to escape a town she felt she was too good for (iirc).
of course every human hopes to find a good life and possibly also a loving spouse. but tbh the advantages you get by prostituting yourself will cost you on other ends, and this is what feli is experiencing now. she maybe wished that elias married her like another millionaire marries a beautiful good girl, but he didnt. he likely knew or found out at some point what he got. its no wonder he doesnt treat her like a sweet girl who married him. he married a prostitute-turned-golddigger. i cant remember anymore, but if he really refused such a good opportunity to better his image by helping feli, he must have had a good reason. maybe he only found out about her past after marriage? this would have surely turned him hard hearted. it almost seems like he specifically didnt give her the money to hurt her. maybe he felt betrayed by her not disclosing her former life? i could understand that. still, she drives a porsche, enjoys luxury in many aspects - so its understandable she is sad about her rejected wish, but its complaining in a still good situation.

in the end it was her choice to prostitute herself for more material wealth. but her expectation to be treated like a loved wife of a rich guy is on herself. she got there as a prostitute-turned-golddigger and thats likely why shes treated like one. its on her own. that her humiliating plan to become genuinly wealthy didnt work out in the end is her own risk. in my opinion she cant blame elias for that. it was a rsky endeavor, and it paid off somewhat and carries negative consequences in other areas.


regarding sex with feli:

she might be a very capable woman in bed and a hedonist, but that doesnt mean she will give all this to elias. usually woman imo only make an effort in bed if they really want to, and elias was probably neither an attractive man for her, nor did she feel compelled to longer make an effort to please him after marriage.

of course a lot of this is speculation about fictional characters, but it is a fitting explanation i think

i think she treats edwin and mina differently because she tries to re-live a normal life she exchanged for material wealth when young. so we could expect that she treats edwin+mina different than her golddigging business target - elias.

of course she wants to be happy, its understandable, and everyone enjoys being treated kindly, but can she really blame elias?

he basically just did what she did: used her for his own means.
 

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I still think she has an affair with Ian. :devilish:
That might be an interesting twist, but I doubt that's what's going on. Victoria is the one woman that Ian sees as a human being, and due to his Madonna/whore complex, the only woman he can't see sexually. Of course, if poor Ian finds out that his pure, precious Vicky had more DNA on her than a sperm bank, that could change very quickly. Since the only other people that know about Vicky's career are Hana and Kathleen, I doubt Ian's going to find out unless Kat's planning something diabolical :devilish:.

Speaking of Kat, I find it odd about how quickly she found out about Vicky's career, considering how apparently Victoria never gained "mainstream" pornstar popularity, and how she was able to return to a low key, normal life after she was done with porn. Now either Kat did an extremely through background check on Edwin, which I find odd considering he's just a helping hand and how Chuck explicitly told her not to fuck with Edwin's head.

The more interesting possibility is that Edwin and Vicky's circles overlap far more than either of them suspect. I think August and "Uncle" Chuck are very intimately acquainted with Vicky than poor Edwin suspects. Considering her aloof reaction to Edwin mentioning Chuck and how she apparently looked "as if she wanted to say more", and her odd reaction to Edwin asking about August, I suspect that she knew both of them during her career. And considering Chuck's apparent "proclivities", she possibly had some bad experiences with him and is extremely wary of him now. Kathleen possibly found out about Vicky's past from August, and decided to fuck around with Edwin boy's head, the sociopathic bitch that she is. What she didn't expect is that Edwin already knew. Turns out Kathleen was looking for copper and struck gold. There's no way she can resist fucking with Edwin now, despite Chuck's warnings.

Vicky is already suspicious about Edwin's activities, and she may confront him about his mysterious "job" sooner or later, and then all hell will break loose. But that's just my opinion.
 

lkjhgfdfghjkl

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the only woman he can't see sexually
Didn't he get caught recoloring her dirty underwear when they were younger? Instead I get the impression that Ian does not want to be seen as someone who views her sexually

Of course, if poor Ian finds out that his pure, precious Vicky had more DNA on her than a sperm bank, that could change very quickly
This could be constructive or destructive for his character, interesting either way. Edwin must be running out of videos.
 
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JasonsGranpa

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it is more probably that he didnt help her because this was the first time that he saw her show initiative, and he didnt like that.

i am not making Felicia a victim but this was a little too much even by this twisted relationship they had.

I think this is more likely than my guess.

Regarding the lower part: Since both Elias and Felicia were disgusting spouses to each other from the beginning, but people feel strongly about Elias since he topped it with his malicious denial of supporting the art school - this logic would then dictate to hate Felicia even more since she turned it up to 11 with humiliating her husband to the core in front of all his powerful peers.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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Thing has a nice turn, i still want to speak about felicia but first Victoria
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Now about Felicia.

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What are you talking about? The first time Ian sees felicia naked is after the dare party post dance club get together. (if you picked those choices). That's before anything else in the club story, before her husband is even introduced, etcetcetc. Again, I've no idea what you're talking about unless this is from the perspective of someone who hasn't explored those paths, or if I'm misunderstanding you through some translation error......
 

Joshy92

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I don't really like what happens to the girls in the club but I really like how we have the option for the mc to be nice to the girls
and try and help them.
I don't think I would play this if the mc was just another arsehole without any choices for the player.
I like to treat girls with love and compassion whenever I get the choice in visual novels.
 

Takkatakka

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She definitely hasnt, otherwise her dialogue during potential 3some woulda been much different.
Pretty sure you're confusing Rosalind and Victoria. Rosalind definitely got fucked by Ian before you even meet her.

But with Victoria there are just so many strange coincidences when she and Ian just happen to show up together or he shows up at her house. She also has no problem just wearing a towel in front of him. Ian obviously has no problem fucking older women. Even Ian getting the MC the job could be part of it. Victoria not wanting to get into a new relationship now that the MC is out of the house. Ian not being to broken up about Mina, maybe because he is in another relationship with someone he actually loves? Etc. etc.

All of this is very much conjecture and TD most likely will be somewhere between laughing and shacking his head about this, but sometimes it can be fun to theorize. :LOL:
 
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Pretty sure you're confusing Rosalind and Victoria. Rosalind definitely got fucked by Ian before you even meet her.

But with Victoria there are just so many strange coincidences when she and Ian just happen to show up together or he shows up at her house. She also has no problem just wearing a towel in front of him. Ian obviously has no problem fucking older women. Even Ian getting the MC the job could be part of it. Victoria not wanting to get into a new relationship now that the MC is out of the house. Ian not being to broken up about Mina, maybe because he is in another relationship with someone he actually loves? Etc. etc.

All of this is very much conjecture and TD most likely will be somewhere between laughing and shacking his head about this, but sometimes it can be fun to theorize. :LOL:
Sorry but this does not make sense to me. As much as I want Ian to bang Victoria I think this is a bit of a reach.

- Ian fucking Victoria to get Edwin the job makes no sense. There are several scenes that show that Ian puts Edwin on a pedestal and is willing to do anything for him. Additionally Victoria does not like the idea of the MC working under chuck. She (correctly) thinks he is a bit off.
- Ian is definitely hurt by the breakup. He just does not know how to process his feelings. If you have a high enough bromance score with him you can talk to him about it. It is easy to see that the breakup is bothering him. The way TD has written Ian is brilliant - he is the most realistic and complex character in the game imo.
- Just appearing in a towel does not mean they are banging. Victoria thinks of Ian as a kid the same as Edwin. She did not have a problem appearing in a towel in front of Edwin either. It is the same thing with Ian.
- Ian's relationship with his maid is different from his relationship with Victoria. He respects Victoria unlike his maid. And we have seen how he treats older women in bed during his scenes with Rose and the maid. The way he acts around Victoria is completely different.
 

Takkatakka

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Sorry but this does not make sense to me. As much as I want Ian to bang Victoria I think this is a bit of a reach.

- Ian fucking Victoria to get Edwin the job makes no sense. There are several scenes that show that Ian puts Edwin on a pedestal and is willing to do anything for him. Additionally Victoria does not like the idea of the MC working under chuck. She (correctly) thinks he is a bit off.
- Ian is definitely hurt by the breakup. He just does not know how to process his feelings. If you have a high enough bromance score with him you can talk to him about it. It is easy to see that the breakup is bothering him. The way TD has written Ian is brilliant - he is the most realistic and complex character in the game imo.
- Just appearing in a towel does not mean they are banging. Victoria thinks of Ian as a kid the same as Edwin. She did not have a problem appearing in a towel in front of Edwin either. It is the same thing with Ian.
- Ian's relationship with his maid is different from his relationship with Victoria. He respects Victoria unlike his maid. And we have seen how he treats older women in bed during his scenes with Rose and the maid. The way he acts around Victoria is completely different.
- That is not what I wrote. It could just be a gesture from Ian towards Vicky as well as the MC.
- Maybe...we haven't really seen enough of him after the break-up to really see how hurt he is or isn't but overall he seems to take it pretty well. Specially since it bothering him could also be more about losing a trophy than losing a girlfriend, but we will (probably) see more later.
- Sure, it is no definite proof but (most likely wrong) conjecture. At the very least I would find it a bit strange.
- Sure it is different and I didn't wrote it is the same now, did I? All I wrote is that he has no problem fucking older women.
- Yes, he treats Vicky differently, which is actually a potential argument for my theory if anything. It can go both ways and it is probably meant as more of a mother-son relationship, I would agree. She basically is the mother he wants to have and that is most likely all there is. But it COULD also be more...again...conjecture.
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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Pretty sure you're confusing Rosalind and Victoria. Rosalind definitely got fucked by Ian before you even meet her.

But with Victoria there are just so many strange coincidences when she and Ian just happen to show up together or he shows up at her house. She also has no problem just wearing a towel in front of him. Ian obviously has no problem fucking older women. Even Ian getting the MC the job could be part of it. Victoria not wanting to get into a new relationship now that the MC is out of the house. Ian not being to broken up about Mina, maybe because he is in another relationship with someone he actually loves? Etc. etc.

All of this is very much conjecture and TD most likely will be somewhere between laughing and shacking his head about this, but sometimes it can be fun to theorize. :LOL:
I was referring to felicia, indeed the first message of yours I responded to I confused you with someone else since you were referring to vic/ros - my mistake. There have been others that continued the notion of felicia/ian and I wanted to correct the record, but yours was a mistake.
 
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