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Gab1

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Well, the more endings and variations the less fleshed out they'll likely be and/or the longer the development time will be.

The game already has the problem (and I'm not sure how it could be remedied in the way the updates are done at the moment), that depending on your choices some updates have very little content for you. So if you didn't follow the Veronica path, the last update had very little actual content for you. Now imagine the game have a lot of very different endings with very different scenes and you would have a situation in which you might not get any content from the last couple of update because "your" ending either was already implemented or is yet to come.

We'll simply have to see, what TD will come up with, but so far the game doesn't give me the vibe of a game that will have "perfect" ending if you just made the right choices.
True, and i hope we get a realistic ending for everybody, but an real ending doesnt has to be a sad, pessimistic or unhappy.
I think you could go for and ending kind of "life goes on" as true ending, Verónica losing the Gym but moving on, Rosalind working in the club but still her daughter is safe and her husband is fucked up, Felicia getting divorce but winning a place in the club, all three Girls leaving the MC behind but he end up with Killian, Mina and Hana, it is a nice ending for me.
What i hope is that one Day Victoria discover that Edwin knows about her job, and then they can speak freely.
 
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Biscardone

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Seems like you don't know how to read....
I know you're just trolling, but for the sake of clarity, and to dispel any notion that in fact there may be incest in the game, I'll quote a post by one of the authors themselves. It's a very interesting read, but TL;DR:

TD doesn't like harem or incest in stories.

They certainly can be in **a** game, just not this one. And it's not about not inviting people's bitching, because the absence of those traits will also cause people to whine. In fact, no matter what you do, someone will be dissatisfied with it. So, the best thing developers can do is tailor the game to both their personal tastes and what's appropriate for the story they want to tell.

And speaking to my taste, I just don't like harems or incest in stories.

Generally speaking, the MC convincing five women to love and be monogamous solely to him stretches my personal suspension of disbelief a tad too thin in most cases, outside of more shlocky scenarios. It CAN work, but it doesn't suit the tone I want for Pale Carnations.

As for incest, it's usually cheaply done in my opinion, without any sense of weight to the taboo. To do it in a way that I'd be satisfied with, the scenario would have to support it and go in a direction I have no desire for it to go. Plus, I just don't find incest hot, even when done up like a steamy angst-ridden French movie. I did like Dreaming of Dana's approach to it, with the game's ultimate goal being to find a beard to conceal your relationship with your sister. For me, that sold the "society won't accept this" bit that most stories nominally bring up a couple of times but don't ever actually factor into the plot, but I'm also just a sucker for procedural elements.

Anyway, point is, a VN should be more than the sum of its tags, so nevermind what the player wants. Convince them of what you want.
 

Takkatakka

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Seems like you don't know how to read....
Is that so? All I told you was that they never planned for incest scenes with the mom, because the developers don't care for that and don't want it in their game as far as we know. So that wasn't their "original" idea for the game either.
 

MidnightKing

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I know you're just trolling, but for the sake of clarity, and to dispel any notion that in fact there may be incest in the game, I'll quote a post by one of the authors themselves. It's a very interesting read, but TL;DR:

TD doesn't like harem or incest in stories.
It makes me laugh a little because a lot of what the dev is saying there should just be common sense really, but reasonable takes are for maniacs after all. I'm a very avid harem game enjoyer who generally likes the incest tag and I whole-heartedly agree with their points.

There's definitely a lot of harem games that say "hey I want there to be a harem but idk how to make it make sense" so they say fuck it, provide an extremely uninspired explanation/setup, and move on to the rest of the game. Similarly, incest IS very cheaply done most of the time. I'm convinced most incest games throw it in there for attention, because it really is night and day when you play a game that actually planned for it and plays up that taboo feeling. I've almost flipped on the tag mostly because devs generally can't write a good incest plotline for shit it seems (but I digress).

Do I want to fuck our hot mom? Hell yeah. Would I want a harem with all the girls? Absolutely. But that isn't what the game is about, and I wouldn't want it to sacrifice its exceptional writing to make it happen.
 

Biscardone

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It makes me laugh a little because a lot of what the dev is saying there should just be common sense really, but reasonable takes are for maniacs after all. I'm a very avid harem game enjoyer who generally likes the incest tag and I whole-heartedly agree with their points.

There's definitely a lot of harem games that say "hey I want there to be a harem but idk how to make it make sense" so they say fuck it, provide an extremely uninspired explanation/setup, and move on to the rest of the game. Similarly, incest IS very cheaply done most of the time. I'm convinced most incest games throw it in there for attention, because it really is night and day when you play a game that actually planned for it and plays up that taboo feeling. I've almost flipped on the tag mostly because devs generally can't write a good incest plotline for shit it seems (but I digress).

Do I want to fuck our hot mom? Hell yeah. Would I want a harem with all the girls? Absolutely. But that isn't what the game is about, and I wouldn't want it to sacrifice its exceptional writing to make it happen.
Very much agreed! There's absolutely a space available for meaningful games exploring themes, maybe even expressing an opinion on them. Unfortunately, that's not what most games are trying to do. They are chasing trends, or attempting to maximize profit with popular fetishes - which is fine, but not particularly interesting to me. Incest in particular has seen a lot of popularity in recent years - see the truckload of clips marked as "sex with my sister / stepsister etc" on Pornhub and the like - and that's an interesting fact in itself, but not a fact explored in any meaningful way.

I'd very much like to play a game offering an interesting or unique view on those themes. Just spitballing, a story handling the complexity of the relationships inside a polycule, or the mires of maintaining a healthy open relationship. I don't mean dramas for drama's sake - just stories told by someone who likes to share their thoughts, ideas and perspectives. Just as TD and GIL are doing, playing on their strengths.
 

cichol

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It makes me laugh a little because a lot of what the dev is saying there should just be common sense really, but reasonable takes are for maniacs after all. I'm a very avid harem game enjoyer who generally likes the incest tag and I whole-heartedly agree with their points.

There's definitely a lot of harem games that say "hey I want there to be a harem but idk how to make it make sense" so they say fuck it, provide an extremely uninspired explanation/setup, and move on to the rest of the game. Similarly, incest IS very cheaply done most of the time. I'm convinced most incest games throw it in there for attention, because it really is night and day when you play a game that actually planned for it and plays up that taboo feeling. I've almost flipped on the tag mostly because devs generally can't write a good incest plotline for shit it seems (but I digress).

Do I want to fuck our hot mom? Hell yeah. Would I want a harem with all the girls? Absolutely. But that isn't what the game is about, and I wouldn't want it to sacrifice its exceptional writing to make it happen.
100% agree. I've seen people ask for pregnancy when it would mess up the pace of the story. My favorite is when people bitch about being unable to rename the MC or demand a sex scene with a character that wouldn't make sense yet.
 

aaachris

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Do I want to fuck our hot mom? Hell yeah. Would I want a harem with all the girls? Absolutely. But that isn't what the game is about, and I wouldn't want it to sacrifice its exceptional writing to make it happen.
Am I the rare one skipping all the wall of texts for the sex scene lol. Go read a f'ing book for exceptional writing tbh.
 
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Takkatakka

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Well that last review from Kryapa is rather peculiar, innit?
After reading it I immediately thought of this
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Yeah, stuff like that always baffles me. It's like buying FIFA...or FC 24 and whining about the fact that you have to play football/soccer in it to win the game. :KEK:

Apart from the fact, that there is no rape in it, especially not any rape by the MC...so it is even factually wrong. :FacePalm:
 

dolfe67

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Reviews are subjectives, as long as he explains what he didn't like for the same minded people. It's just one bad review out of hundreds good.

The sex competition is not avoidable since it's the core of the game. But it's not rape, it's prostitution. And the MC does most of the work in the different trials. He's not the only one though
 

Takkatakka

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Reviews are subjectives, as long as he explains what he didn't like for the same minded people. It's just one bad review out of hundreds good.

The sex competition is not avoidable since it's the core of the game. But it's not rape, it's prostitution. And the MC does most of the work in the different trials. He's not the only one though
Sure it is subjective, but a review should make sense. His seems to complain about two things:

One rape, which doesn't happen in the game to begin with.

And the second thing seems to be that "You can't avoid disgusting kinks", which...you know...considering the description of the game:

as the newest employee at the Carnation Club, navigate your part in a series of cruel erotic games and sexual encounters.
I guess you could understand "navigate" as being able to avoid completely?! But that would pretty much kill the game.

Why has he even downloaded the game, if he doesn't like the obvious theme of the game to begin with? People need to stop voting down games because they either contain a theme they don't like or they don't contain a theme they would like it to have. Like people giving games with a female MC 1 star because you can only play a female. :FacePalm:
 

MidnightKing

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100% agree. I've seen people ask for pregnancy when it would mess up the pace of the story. My favorite is when people bitch about being unable to rename the MC or demand a sex scene with a character that wouldn't make sense yet.
The MC name is something I could understand depending on context. Am I effectively playing a self insert/my own character? Then yeah I would like to change the name. But if the MC is as much of their own character as everyone else, them having a set name is totally fine for me. My favorite game on the site has a set MC name for example. Agree with the other parts as well, pacing is very integral to a good story. Too important to fuck up with rushed scenes for appeasement or whatever.

Am I the rare one skipping all the wall of texts for the sex scene lol. Go read a f'ing book for exceptional writing tbh.
Not to throw shade at you, but in the same vein I could just tell you to go watch porn if you want to only see sex. I think lewd games are a fun medium because they blend both. There's certainly times where I have horny brain and just want to see a bunch of hot scenes, but there are games that appease that mindset much better than something like this with "walls of text." I got paragraphs to say about this, but generally speaking a good lewd game for me is something that finds a solid blend of gripping writing/gameplay and quality sex scenes without sacrificing one side for the other. Having well written characters that you get attached to creates a certain sense of intimacy that adds on to sex scenes imo, in comparison to being slapped with a bunch of them from your average fuckfest game where most characters are effectively tropey sex dolls. To each their own though, I get both sides of it.
 

Kryapa

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I knew this review would be deleted. If I thought otherwise, I'd spent more time to make it longer. Just wanted to be sure of one thing. There is an unwritten rule on this site. If you write a positive review and give it 4-5 stars, nobody cares if it's good or not. It's the reason why F95 has so many massively overrated games (like this one, for that matter). Most of the positive reviews are like "I LOVE IT 200 characters". But if you wrote a negative one, fanboys immediately get triggered and report to mods. And if you didn't write quite an essay, it will be removed because mods don't care much about rules. I've specifically checked that I've not violated any. Bottom line: rating doesn't matter. A game can be a total shit and still get 5 stars because fanboys have filtered out all the negative feedback.

Regarding PC. There are tons of games with ntr, blackmail, femdom, gay, futa etc tags. But this content is always easily avoidable. This particular game is rapey at its core and you can't avoid it. If it was clearly stated in the description, I wouldn't tried to play it. And by clear I mean an actual warning, like "BDSM alert everyone", not some value marketing bullshit.
 
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