VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Ottoeight]

Guys, don't feed the troll. Don't answer, just ignore.

 

[Simpgor]

Spoiler: On the topic of winners

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[TD1900]

Regarding PC. There are tons of games with ntr, blackmail, femdom, gay, futa etc tags. But this content is always easily avoidable. This particular game is rapey at its core and you can't avoid it. If it was clearly stated in the description, I wouldn't tried to play it. And by clear I mean an actual warning, like "BDSM alert everyone", not some value marketing bullshit.

Setting aside the question of what type of content is in the game and what tags it qualifies for, content being avoidable isn't a prerequisite for a porn game. Nor should it be. There are inextricable aspects to the scenario that simply are what they are. If you want the player character to opt out of the club altogether, that option is the close window button; but make no mistake, the game does present Edwin with choices in how he approaches his relationships with the Carnations and it extends beyond just being mean to them.

Now, if the BDSM tag and the preview images did not alert you to the BDSM, I think you are being purposefully obtuse to fit your point.

 

[Simpgor]

People need to stop voting down games because they either contain a theme they don't like or they don't contain a theme they would like it to have. Like people giving games with a female MC 1 star because you can only play a female.

People should stop reviewing games poorly for kinks/fetish/themes they dont like if those themes are done well imo

a poorly executed game is poorly executed even if you like the kinks/fetish/themes just like a well executed one is good even if you hate the kinks/fetish/themes

 

[Takkatakka]

But this content is always easily avoidable.

That depends on the game. In a lot of games that content ISN'T avoidable and it isn't supposed to be avoidable. And there is no rule that all tags need to be avoidable. If they're avoidable, that fact is generally noted in the OP.

Bottom line: If you don't like BDSM, don't try to play a game with a BDSM tag. If you don't want to see women having sex for money, don't play a game with the prostitution tag.

And if you do it anyway, you have only yourself to blame and not the game that told you beforehand what its content will be.

 

[McGreed]

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To be fair, that's kinda on you if it wasn't clear enough what kind of game this will be from reading overview, tags and seeing all the previews. I'd probably also remove that review due to the fact that you haven't really said anything there, you could've copypasted game's overview with the same success.

As for avoiding specific content in games, I mean, if some game is focused on one particular thing and then dev decide to add some "questionable" contect that some people wouldn't like to see in game, whether it's some femdom/feet/whatever else content, then some devs are considering/or even making them avoidable indeed. But PC is kinda different since you know, almost whole game revolves around Carnations Club and humiliating characters that were desperate enough to join that place, exploring their depravity and all that stuff. Even given that, there's still some small parts of the game that you can actually avoid, but you probably didn't get that far in the game.

 

[Idontplay]

Regarding PC. There are tons of games with ntr, blackmail, femdom, gay, futa etc tags. But this content is always easily avoidable. This particular game is rapey at its core and you can't avoid it. If it was clearly stated in the description, I wouldn't tried to play it. And by clear I mean an actual warning, like "BDSM alert everyone", not some value marketing bullshit.

From the opening post:
«As the newest employee at the Carnation Club, navigate your part in a series of cruel erotic games and sexual encounters. Will you give into your sadistic urges and be enticed by the club's wealth and hedonism? Or perhaps at the end of it all, a flower of romance will bud, pushing you to leave the brothel’s sordid business behind.

Features a variety of intersecting storylines that sees you guide the performance of three women desperately competing for the brothel’s grand prize, uncover backroom dealings steeped in intrigue, and maneuver the day-to-day social life of a man ill at ease with his basest impulses.»

 

[Hahn1900]

I knew this review would be deleted. If I thought otherwise, I'd spent more time to make it longer. Just wanted to be sure of one thing. There is an unwritten rule on this site. If you write a positive review and give it 4-5 stars, nobody cares if it's good or not. It's the reason why F95 has so many massively overrated games (like this one, for that matter). Most of the positive reviews are like "I LOVE IT 200 characters". But if you wrote a negative one, fanboys immediately get triggered and report to mods. And if you didn't write quite an essay, it will be removed because mods don't care much about rules. I've specifically checked that I've not violated any. Bottom line: rating doesn't matter. A game can be a total shit and still get 5 stars because fanboys have filtered out all the negative feedback.

Not entirely wrong here (dont know what your review was about, dont care either)

But if you think you didnt violated any rule, you could talk to the mod who deleted your review (you get a message about it), he will respond and tell you what was wrong (if the review wasnt completly ridiculous that is)...

Its kinda annoying, and often not really understandable why some reviews stay and others not... especially those 5 star reviews with NOTHING in it other than 200 random characters just so it can be posted. I saw them a lot (dont see them anymore cause i dont look at reviews anymore).

BUT if you argue with the mod, be reasonable, he will tell you what to change so the review can stay, if its not entirely ridiculous that is.

Personally i gave up to write reviews and i dont read them anymore. They mean nothing, i watch the screenshots, the discription, if a game looks somewhat promising, i give it a try... most of the time after the first 4-5 lines you can already tell if its worth it to go further or not... We can get all the games for free at least around here... so, no damage done. Most of the times you can tell if a game will suck just by reading the discription, most DEVs are not able to write a good discription. So... about 95% of all the games are out because of that alone.

I played many games i enjoyed a lot which didnt had a good rating, and many games with a high rating which sucked ass.

And on top of that... the average F95 user is kinda... "special" think for yourself what that means. And yeah, of course low ratings will be reported more often that high reviews... you are right here, but if you report 5 star reviews which arent following the rule, they will be removed, done that several times in the past... but yeah... got tired of it. Its not worth it to bother with reviews anyways, no matter what.

 

[Hahn1900]

Good news, everyone: we got our first status update for 2024!

Spoiler: Dev Diary 68

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As TD already noted, he and GIL have created 219 statics, 10 animations and 6177 words in the 22 days between diaries. That gives them a holiday average of roughly 70 statics, 3.2 animations and 1965 words per week. Overall, they are averaging ~102 statics, 2.5 animations, and 2343 words per week since work on Chapter 3 Update 4 began. Here are the charts for Week 19:

Spoiler: New Year, Same Great Charts!

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I think the charts generally support TD's assessment of the situation: while we're approaching (or indeed, have already exceeded) what has generally been the end point for Chapter 4 updates, it seems there's still a substantial amount of work left. The big question is how much.

If we assume Part A accounts for nearly all of the latest batch of artwork AND assume we're about halfway through it, THEN go on to assume Part B will be roughly equivalent in size, that would get us somewhere on the order of 600 statics, 20 animations and 9000 additional words still to be added. Since we're already buying assumptions in bulk, let's add another and assume our devs will tackle the remainder at something approaching their peak overall average rate for this development, which is ~100 statics, 3.5 animations and 3000 words per week.

By that math it would take roughly 3 weeks to add the words, but nearer 6 weeks to polish off the statics and animations. In reality that could drop to 5 or maybe even 4 weeks if GIL has a secret cache of completed animations under his mattress and he can up his static production, but that still puts us solidly in the middle of February. Add in a week to clean up loose ends and a couple weeks for testing and we'd be looking for a release in early March, just as TD suggested.

Of course most of those numbers were complete guesswork and the rest still had a high percentage of speculation in them, so don't take any of this as gospel. The big takeaway is that this is a long race and we're not in the home stretch yet. That will probably be worth it eventually when we get lots of ways to spend time with Felicia, but we should plan to make it through February without her. Such is the cross we bear.

Thank you for posting the report and your analysis.

I dont follow the development progress of the game, but got curious how it stand for a new update... las was august and the updates for the game arent that big compared to some other games i follow. So i thaught "hm maybe we are near another update"

Turned out, its not that far aways anymore i guess? Maybe end of february or early march, hopefully its a good one.

 

[reaperisme]

No matter what you tell, no matter what you argue.

These harem dudes want harem routes in every damn game / every game to become a harem themed game. Wouldn't it make any damn sense? it doesn't matter: they want it...

and every fucking damn thread has to face these guys. They come and they start: "harem?", "harem anyone?", "is there harem?", "harem route?", "yadda yadda harem?", "I want harem", "harem ending?" OUT OF THE BLUE.

The simple fact that neither the game overview does not have anything to do with the harem theme nor the fact that the thread does NOT have the harem tag WON'T STOP THEM. I guess they think: "the game does not have a harem tag, but I'm sure it's a mistake - they just forgot it".

People like what they like, stop crying about it and grow up.

 

[dolfe67]

Not entirely wrong here (dont know what your review was about, dont care either)

But if you think you didnt violated any rule, you could talk to the mod who deleted your review (you get a message about it), he will respond and tell you what was wrong (if the review wasnt completly ridiculous that is)...

Its kinda annoying, and often not really understandable why some reviews stay and others not... especially those 5 star reviews with NOTHING in it other than 200 random characters just so it can be posted. I saw them a lot (dont see them anymore cause i dont look at reviews anymore).

BUT if you argue with the mod, be reasonable, he will tell you what to change so the review can stay, if its not entirely ridiculous that is.

Personally i gave up to write reviews and i dont read them anymore. They mean nothing, i watch the screenshots, the discription, if a game looks somewhat promising, i give it a try... most of the time after the first 4-5 lines you can already tell if its worth it to go further or not... We can get all the games for free at least around here... so, no damage done. Most of the times you can tell if a game will suck just by reading the discription, most DEVs are not able to write a good discription. So... about 95% of all the games are out because of that alone.

I played many games i enjoyed a lot which didnt had a good rating, and many games with a high rating which sucked ass.

And on top of that... the average F95 user is kinda... "special" think for yourself what that means. And yeah, of course low ratings will be reported more often that high reviews... you are right here, but if you report 5 star reviews which arent following the rule, they will be removed, done that several times in the past... but yeah... got tired of it. Its not worth it to bother with reviews anyways, no matter what.

Yeah that's like when a lot of people leave a bad review on steam or rotten tomatoes it's called "review bombing" but when it's a lot of good reviews nobody bats an eye.

People are more triggered by bad things

 

[Deleted member 6943714]

Any eta yet?

 

[Takkatakka]

Yeah that's like when a lot of people leave a bad review on steam or rotten tomatoes it's called "review bombing" but when it's a lot of good reviews nobody bats an eye.

People are more triggered by bad things

No, if something gets a lot of bad reviews then it is generally just considered bad. "Review bombing" is something that happens more or less deliberately by a large number of users who agree on voting something collectively down. Often they review something like a game or a show negatively for something other than its face value quality. For example they write bad reviews for a game because the developer introduced microtransactions after promising never to introduce them previously. Or they vote down a show for something the main actor said in an interview. That is "review bombing".

For example what is happening right now with Saria could be considered review bombing. The people don't like the complete overhaul, fair enough. But the 1 star reviews aren't based on the quality of the game as is, but on what they think it could have been if the developer kept the old design. If the developer would've just published the game as it is right now in the first place, it probably would've gotten better reviews. Probably not many 5 star ones, but certainly less 1 star reviews.

I would agree though that writing a bad review about a hyped up game often leads to a fierce reaction by the hyped up fans who haven't even yet played it, so a lot of outlets rather avoid that by giving very prolific titles a mediocre review at the worst.

On this site however there are tons of games with like 1 to 1,5 stars on average as well. So in my opinion the system works reasonable well.

Any eta yet?

See:

Good news, everyone: we got our first status update for 2024!

Spoiler: Dev Diary 68

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As TD already noted, he and GIL have created 219 statics, 10 animations and 6177 words in the 22 days between diaries. That gives them a holiday average of roughly 70 statics, 3.2 animations and 1965 words per week. Overall, they are averaging ~102 statics, 2.5 animations, and 2343 words per week since work on Chapter 3 Update 4 began. Here are the charts for Week 19:

Spoiler: New Year, Same Great Charts!

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I think the charts generally support TD's assessment of the situation: while we're approaching (or indeed, have already exceeded) what has generally been the end point for Chapter 4 updates, it seems there's still a substantial amount of work left. The big question is how much.

If we assume Part A accounts for nearly all of the latest batch of artwork AND assume we're about halfway through it, THEN go on to assume Part B will be roughly equivalent in size, that would get us somewhere on the order of 600 statics, 20 animations and 9000 additional words still to be added. Since we're already buying assumptions in bulk, let's add another and assume our devs will tackle the remainder at something approaching their peak overall average rate for this development, which is ~100 statics, 3.5 animations and 3000 words per week.

By that math it would take roughly 3 weeks to add the words, but nearer 6 weeks to polish off the statics and animations. In reality that could drop to 5 or maybe even 4 weeks if GIL has a secret cache of completed animations under his mattress and he can up his static production, but that still puts us solidly in the middle of February. Add in a week to clean up loose ends and a couple weeks for testing and we'd be looking for a release in early March, just as TD suggested.

Of course most of those numbers were complete guesswork and the rest still had a high percentage of speculation in them, so don't take any of this as gospel. The big takeaway is that this is a long race and we're not in the home stretch yet. That will probably be worth it eventually when we get lots of ways to spend time with Felicia, but we should plan to make it through February without her. Such is the cross we bear.

TD's tl/dr:

We still cannot say when the next update will be. I would like to promise February, but it is already mid-January, and that would be a premature and ambitious target.

 

[Ungawa]

People should stop reviewing games poorly for kinks/fetish/themes they dont like if those themes are done well imo

a poorly executed game is poorly executed even if you like the kinks/fetish/themes just like a well executed one is good even if you hate the kinks/fetish/themes

I swear man, the amount of people that obnoxiously emit toxic fumes over things they want no part of is annoying af on multiple levels.

Go to a forum, they come out like a

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in Pokemon.

Whatever they don't like, it's emitted into the air.

At that point, you need a

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in your back pocket to make sure these people touch some grass.

It's super effective!

 

[Noonwraith]

I'm sure someone already pointed this out but this is the first time I noticed it.
Won't bother explaining but, I'm not hallucinating right?

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Do you are have talking about the bepis?

 

[Ungawa]

Review bombing

A bit of context here, but games usually get review bombed when something changes in it that that's pretty severe to miss the expectations of the players. A big shift in focus for the developers, as explained above, usually works as a mirror into how a lot of people might not feel an update or event is living up to their standards. And sometimes, people hate an actor or studio for doing something they did not like. It's a way to see what groups of people think or feel on Steam or elsewhere.

For a site like this, we don't really see coordination of events into one big review bomb since this is only thousands of folks finding a fap.

What we do see are Koffing's and they aren't all that coordinated while regulars go into a thread and help keep a strong understanding of strengths and weaknesses that developers might not consider.

Overall, I look at them as a reflection in a point in time but it shouldn't be obsessed over if a developer (or community) feels they have a proper course and vision that may not jibe with the "review bomb's" sentiments.

 

[Deleted member 6943714]

I'm sure someone already pointed this out but this is the first time I noticed it.
Won't bother explaining but, I'm not hallucinating right?

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Wait what I never noticed it.. What is this about?

 

[Ungawa]

Any eta yet?

Page 598 got the details here, my guy

 

[Axeleen]

I ...

Seems like you still can't read my comment properly. In any case, if your quote of him accomplishes anything, it's further support of my point ^^. And I knew all this years ago don't worry.

Anyway, always funny how fanboys can be so trigerred and this quickly by a mere joke on a forum . Entertaining as ever

 

[ename144]

Seems like you still can't read my comment properly. In any case, if your quote of him accomplishes anything, it's further support of my point ^^. And I knew all this years ago don't worry.

Anyway, always funny how fanboys can be so trigerred and this quickly by a mere joke on a forum . Entertaining as ever

The quote may not explicitly refute your point, but it certainly doesn't support it. If the ultimate goal of this game was to justify an incest story, why is there never going to be any incest in it? Even if TD decided to change tack because of Patreon rules or something, why would he base the revised project on a setup designed from the keel out to do something counterproductive?

It would be like claiming a submarine was originally designed to fly to Mars purely on the grounds it has a *really* efficient life support system; a quote from the designer disparaging the lazy design of most interplanetary rockets is hardly proof.