Nulldev

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The Authors wrote and told that Vic is a huge no and we will only have her flashback movies (they told it over and over), but I guess some people just won't understand that every character has his/her own place and role in the story and that seeing our favourite porn mommy being sexually active in the present doesn't make sense.
That's not true.
The creators have a story in mind, that does not involve Mom sex in present. That's ok.
But saying you can't envision any way that makes sense is serious lack of imagination. Kat the sadist is trying to foster MC the mini-sadist. Mom acts as a moral pillar for the MC, so it's clearly useful to Kat to destroy this pillar to unleash MC's dark side. Shattering the good mother illusion in the MC's mind is easy if you show how she did not make sex videos for money but because she is just a whore who can't keep her legs closed.
 

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That's not true.
The creators have a story in mind, that does not involve Mom sex in present. That's ok.
But saying you can't envision any way that makes sense is serious lack of imagination. Kat the sadist is trying to foster MC the mini-sadist. Mom acts as a moral pillar for the MC, so it's clearly useful to Kat to destroy this pillar to unleash MC's dark side. Shattering the good mother illusion in the MC's mind is easy if you show how she did not make sex videos for money but because she is just a whore who can't keep her legs closed.
But the mc makes it clear that if Kat tries to mess with his mom again that he will quit the job. She already knows that he was hesitant to even accept the job in the first place. I think she's smart enough not to cross that line to achieve her goals.
 

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That's not true.
The creators have a story in mind, that does not involve Mom sex in present. That's ok.
But saying you can't envision any way that makes sense is serious lack of imagination. Kat the sadist is trying to foster MC the mini-sadist. Mom acts as a moral pillar for the MC, so it's clearly useful to Kat to destroy this pillar to unleash MC's dark side. Shattering the good mother illusion in the MC's mind is easy if you show how she did not make sex videos for money but because she is just a whore who can't keep her legs closed.
They said it won't happen. Over and over and over. DEAL WITH IT

And what you wrote about her is totally wrong: I think you misinterpreted Victoria as a character.

What Kat is "fostering" is totally up to you as player: my Edwin is totally rejecting this. And remember: Victoria has no game/system points.
 

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They said it won't happen. Over and over and over. DEAL WITH IT

And what you wrote about her is totally wrong: I think you misinterpreted Victoria as a character.

What Kat is "fostering" is totally up to you as player: my Edwin is totally rejecting this. And remember: Victoria has no game/system points.
I don't mind at all, not every character needs to be an LI. I like her as it is, one of my fav characters in the game.
 

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But the mc makes it clear that if Kat tries to mess with his mom again that he will quit the job. She already knows that he was hesitant to even accept the job in the first place. I think she's smart enough not to cross that line to achieve her goals.
Kat practices Domination as a lifestyle, but to do it effectively, she needs to know the psychology of her subject(s) in order to develop a proper training plan, else she's liable to use the carrot/stick at the wrong time or wrong severity. Whether we humans like it or not, our background dictates much about our personality and character, either in agreement or rejection of our original values, so naturally she checks MC's upbringing, and finds a hostile and protective response from her subject regarding his mother. Here she kills two birds by 1) gaining valuable background information, 2) discovering a soft spot or "pressure point" in the MC. Another critical part of her discovery/training regimen is to isolate the border between a subject's compliance and resistance, thus she has to deftly press on the subject's limits just until she finds the point where they finally snap back. Her goading of Rose to the point that Rose slaps her is a perfect example. For MC, she discovered the pressure point in the limo, and then pressed his limit before the studio shoot. I suspect she's satisfied, at least regarding MC's position on Victoria, so she won't press the issue again, unless it's related to his sadistic limit (like the conversation following Week 2's Exhibition).
 

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Shattering the good mother illusion in the MC's mind is easy if you show how she did not make sex videos for money but because she is just a whore who can't keep her legs closed.
If you read the dialogues of the last two updates, you will find out that what you have written is exactly the opposite of how the developer have conceived MC's mom.
 

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Kat practices Domination as a lifestyle, but to do it effectively, she needs to know the psychology of her subject(s) in order to develop a proper training plan, else she's liable to use the carrot/stick at the wrong time or wrong severity. Whether we humans like it or not, our background dictates much about our personality and character, either in agreement or rejection of our original values, so naturally she checks MC's upbringing, and finds a hostile and protective response from her subject regarding his mother. Here she kills two birds by 1) gaining valuable background information, 2) discovering a soft spot or "pressure point" in the MC. Another critical part of her discovery/training regimen is to isolate the border between a subject's compliance and resistance, thus she has to deftly press on the subject's limits just until she finds the point where they finally snap back. Her goading of Rose to the point that Rose slaps her is a perfect example. For MC, she discovered the pressure point in the limo, and then pressed his limit before the studio shoot. I suspect she's satisfied, at least regarding MC's position on Victoria, so she won't press the issue again, unless it's related to his sadistic limit (like the conversation following Week 2's Exhibition).
You don't get to be in her position by being an idiot. She knows manipulation VERY well.
 

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The creators have a story in mind, that does not involve Mom sex in present. That's ok. But saying you can't envision any way that makes sense is serious lack of imagination.
They said it won't happen. Over and over and over. DEAL WITH IT

And what you wrote about her is totally wrong: I think you misinterpreted Victoria as a character.
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...how the developer have conceived MC's mom.
Try to read the red part again slowly.

We need facepalm back.
 

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That's not true.
The creators have a story in mind, that does not involve Mom sex in present. That's ok.
But saying you can't envision any way that makes sense is serious lack of imagination. Kat the sadist is trying to foster MC the mini-sadist. Mom acts as a moral pillar for the MC, so it's clearly useful to Kat to destroy this pillar to unleash MC's dark side. Shattering the good mother illusion in the MC's mind is easy if you show how she did not make sex videos for money but because she is just a whore who can't keep her legs closed.
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Try to read the red part again slowly.

We need facepalm back.
I'm not saying: "you can't imagine it". The Authors chose to not imagine it. And the reason is: because they imagined a story - their story - where it does not make sense.

As Idontplay told, you have 2 morning dialogues where Vic talks about herself in the last 2 updates that explain the reason why it does not make sense:

- the first one is on 14th june - during the morning breakfast with Vic and it only happens if you chose to crash at her place instead of porking Mina/invite Veronica/talking to Kathleen;
- the second one is on 16th june - the morning conversation between Ian and Vic, then Edwin and Ian and Vic.

my 2 cents of course
 
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That's not true.
The creators have a story in mind, that does not involve Mom sex in present. That's ok.
But saying you can't envision any way that makes sense is serious lack of imagination. Kat the sadist is trying to foster MC the mini-sadist. Mom acts as a moral pillar for the MC, so it's clearly useful to Kat to destroy this pillar to unleash MC's dark side. Shattering the good mother illusion in the MC's mind is easy if you show how she did not make sex videos for money but because she is just a whore who can't keep her legs closed.
Can I suggest you to read the bold part?
That is what you have written and that is the object of my comment.
If you talk about another game, that scenario is possible, but in this game, with this story and these dialogue, it would be against the entire previous storytelling.
 

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I don't think he's saying mom was just a slut who liked fucking on film, I think the idea is the MC would be gaslit into thinking that. I could see that fitting in just fine with the story, but if the dev said never gonna happen then oh well.

Considering the nature of the Pale Carnations story and incest becoming so prevalent in porn that it's practically vanilla, I actually think it's pretty funny to have a hot mom with a porn past that you don't get to bang.
 

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I don't think he's saying mom was just a slut who liked fucking on film, I think the idea is the MC would be gaslit into thinking that. I could see that fitting in just fine with the story, but if the dev said never gonna happen then oh well.

Considering the nature of the Pale Carnations story and incest becoming so prevalent in porn that it's practically vanilla, I actually think it's pretty funny to have a hot mom with a porn past that you don't get to bang.
That's the thing mc tells us the reason his mom did porn. If Kat tried to badmouth his mom he'd already know that she's just trying to manipulate him because they both know that's his trigger point. He explicitly said not to involve her in her games.

I really don't think she'd try anything overt with his mom anyways especially since Chuck said not to fuck with family and the only reason the Mina manipulation was allowed was because her dad wanted her to join the business anyway.
 

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Any other Hana fans kinda sorta wanna maybe optionally perhaps get a route where she ends up working at the club?
That is a possible scenario: Kat has already stated she wants use Edwin to manipulate Hana and turn her into a carnation. The questions are:
  1. will Edwin play Kat's game or will he play is own game?
  2. is this the plan of TD or is he secretely planning to crush Kat's ambitions?
Only the future will answer to us.
 
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Any other Hana fans kinda sorta wanna maybe optionally perhaps get a route where she ends up working at the club?
Yeah, I share your opinion, given that Kat for example has already been asked to do things during the show with Veronica, and sometimes presents the show with little clothing, I hope that it will be the same thing with Hana. I wouldn't want her to just stay near the stage watching what's happening every time. I don't think she's shy, after all she's already played drums topless in public.
 

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That is a possible scenario: Kat has already stated she wants use Edwin to manipulate Hana and turn her into a carnation. The questions are:
  1. will Edwin play Kat's game or will he play is own game?
  2. is this the plan of TD or is he secretely planning to crush Kat's ambitions?
Only the future will answer to us.
not if the player has anything to do about it, Hana is best girl and doesn't deserve that
 
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