Hey MAGO-DAG!Ahahaha, bro! how did you get here
Decided to light a fire here
Holy shit you just expressed exactly what i felt having just recently played the new update. My main girls now are Hana and Felicia, really feels like in the narrative of the game, the both of them are the ones who kind of "fit" with the MC. The others kind of feel more like friends more than anything.While I do feel bad that the new update leaked so rapidly, I still went ahead and played the hell out of it; hypocrisy is a core theme to the game, right? It's a good thing too, given how long it's taken me to get this all written up. Sorry for the delay, it's just been a very hectic week.
Anyway, this was definitely a very strong update. I thought it did an excellent job handling the 'downtime' between big sex scenes by giving us some deep looks into Chuck, Hana, August, and Felicia, as well as an unexpected pairings in Ian and Rose and Hana and Mina. We even got a small dose of Ian and Hana interacting as coworkers. It does a great job setting the stage for the impending doom that is definitely befalling the Club in the near future. The only real downside is that we got very little content for Veronica and Victoria, but I can't expect the game to be about my favorites all the time.
Felicia, of course, gets the lion's share of the focus (assuming you're on her path), culminating in a bunch of very intricate sex scenes. Felicia isn't my favorite, but I think what we got here works somewhere between well and fantastically well depending on exactly which route you take through her content. And there are certainly plenty of interesting reveals to ponder as we wait to see what Part 5 will have in store for us.
To that end, let's get into the spoiler-filled details.
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tl;dr Excellent character moments that advance the plot, good-to-great sex scenes for a bunch of paths, and plenty of intrigue for the future. I definitely recommend the update, despite the scarcity of Veronica and Victoria content.
I hear you, dude. I say something similar about the Airbus A380. They are NOT airplanes! They are coffeemakers, made so by the coffee making regions. An aircraft does not make coffee and neither does a passenger airliner.consumptionist said:firstly, this is NOT a VN. it is a point and click game made so by the point and click roaming sections. a novel is not free roaming and neither is a visual novel.
The few isolated free-roams in Pale Carnations do not change the nature of the game and it's dominant play style as a visual novel, just as a few drip coffee brewers do not change the nature or dominant function of an A380.AYou must be registered to see the links(VN) is a digital narrative focused game that requires interactions where the player must be able to impact the story world or the story’s progression. The story and interactions are most commonly presented through a text box and often employ additional forms of interaction including menu choices—which often contain sets of actions that the player character can perform—or dialogue options representing the player character’s speech or thoughts. Crucially, VNs have On-Click Progression, where the player clicks, taps or presses a button to see the next part of the story. The aesthetics of VNs are most often conveyed through static images of characters, background art, sound effects (SFX) feedback, and soundtracks.
I told GIL you were probably busy while both of us were eagerly anticipating your write up.It's a good thing too, given how long it's taken me to get this all written up. Sorry for the delay, it's just been a very hectic week.
Amusingly, it's almost the opposite for me. I wish we could get the GF path's opportunity to turn down sex scenes directly without having to date Hana.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Eh, I just assume Kat is lying about them being aware; she's been running her own agenda for a while now, no reason to assume she'd suddenly be above-board here. It's not like she couldn't send the note on her own and get Warren to cover for Elias' entrance - assuming the other two would even recognize the guy on sight. I don't see them (August in particular) going along with such an obvious high-risk, low-reward scenario as inviting Elias only to spring the surprise reveal on him.Not even close and do note that
But to be honest she knew perfectly well what she was getting into (we even have her directly saying this in this update) and what consequences her actions could bring so she can't blame them for what they've done. In fact it's surprising that none of the patrons has said anything to Elias or shown him the picture with her face and Edwin's dick but I'm guessing it's against the club rules or something.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Dammit, Hams, I spend ages trying to uncover and document all the finer points of the new update, only to find that you've already summarized them in half the time! You're making me look bad here!Another great update, another overly long wall of text incoming.
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One of these days I'll think about cutting my word vomit down...Maybe.
No, a kilovolt would use a lower case k. This is obviously a Kelvin-Volt, a measure of electrical potential and absolute temperature.I've totally lost you. What the hell is a KV?
a Kilovolt?
Updates have generally been in the 5-6 month range, though this last one was quite long at 7 months. It's possible the trend towards longer dev time will continue as we get towards the end of the game, but we won't know for sure until it's over. The game is well worth the wait, though, IMHO.how long does an update for this game usually take? Also does anyone know of any other 3d game with good looking character models like this?
Right back at ya.I told GIL you were probably busy while both of us were eagerly anticipating your write up.
Thanks, ename.
It's always a pleasure.
IMO the only thing out of place was the timing. Going back and forth between different scenes severed the flow/immersion and was a bucket of cold water that made me aware again I'm playing a game/am just an observer. Not sure if it could be done better though, personally I can't think of the way to do it and if TD could, it would probably take too much of his and GIL's time.(...) One thing that caught my attention was the number of scenes that didn't include the MC. (...)
I see it differently. Kathleen has been doing this for 5 years now and at least Chuck is her friend AFAWK (at least judging by Chuck's words) so why would she want to destroy it or reshape it?(...) It seems pretty clear to me at this point that Kathleen is deliberately trying to destroy the Carnation Club, at least as it's currently constituted. Whether she plans to rebuild it from the ashes or move on to something new is hard to say, but between Abel's experiments and Elias's surprise she's clearly trying to pack as much explosive into a confined space as she can. (...)
Hi ename144!While I do feel bad that the new update leaked so rapidly, I still went ahead and played the hell out of it; hypocrisy is a core theme to the game, right? It's a good thing too, given how long it's taken me to get this all written up. Sorry for the delay, it's just been a very hectic week.
Anyway, this was definitely a very strong update. I thought it did an excellent job handling the 'downtime' between big sex scenes by giving us some deep looks into Chuck, Hana, August, and Felicia, as well as an unexpected pairings in Ian and Rose and Hana and Mina. We even got a small dose of Ian and Hana interacting as coworkers. It does a great job setting the stage for the impending doom that is definitely befalling the Club in the near future. The only real downside is that we got very little content for Veronica and Victoria, but I can't expect the game to be about my favorites all the time.
Felicia, of course, gets the lion's share of the focus (assuming you're on her path), culminating in a bunch of very intricate sex scenes. Felicia isn't my favorite, but I think what we got here works somewhere between well and fantastically well depending on exactly which route you take through her content. And there are certainly plenty of interesting reveals to ponder as we wait to see what Part 5 will have in store for us.
To that end, let's get into the spoiler-filled details.
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tl;dr Excellent character moments that advance the plot, good-to-great sex scenes for a bunch of paths, and plenty of intrigue for the future. I definitely recommend the update, despite the scarcity of Veronica and Victoria content.
Too risky, they could get to club any time and it would blow back in her face even more. If it was one person I could buy that (she could keep tabs on that person), but she has way too many people to handle. Not only August but also Chuck, Ian and now Hana even, plus any of the employees that might have noticed the new face.(...) It's not like she couldn't send the note on her own and get Warren to cover for Elias' entrance (...)
When an amateur meets a professional…
What you two choose to completely overlook in your Felicia bashing are some facts you can gleam from the game.
- Elias and Felicia have a prenup and an agreement for boys/girls on the side. So Feli being with the MC is not really a problem and I do not count Elias´ sidegirl against him, since they have this agreement.
- Elias is a blackmailer, who blackmails several of his clients, which is a reason Felicia is against using blackmail on the unreasonable art critic. Felicia has some standards.
- And one of the biggest points counting against Elias is him not helping felicia with the school. Felicia would not even be at PC had he helped her out with the school. Elias would have gained her full loyalty had he done so. As we learned through the game, Elias is rich enough to pay the sum for saving the school from flippantly speaking the post stamp money.
He knew how important that school is for Felicia, he could have saved it with a (for him) neglible sum of money, gotten great PR in addition and the full loyalty of Felicia. Feli might be a golddigger, but even just from a business sight this would have been the choice to do. Elias did not.
While Felicia is not free of failings (which she does admit to), Elias is the bad one here. At the end of the day, when it comes to the girls of PC, Felicia, Hana and Sophia for the win! They are the most interesting girls in the game, the others are really good too, but these three are the top.
Got around to read half through the threesome with mina and fel and the visuals are really good. Everything is so crisp and clear. Edwins mimics are incredible. The way minas nipple moves. I know no other game that comes even close to making the characters so alive with its visuals. Just the way Edwin sits says everything about his current state. And the bodies of the two girls hit the perfect spot of believable but insanely hot.
The writing of the scene is excellent as well. The taste doesn't click with me, and its a pity as there is no western AVN writer around who comes even in the vicinity of TD's H-scene writing, but I really buy it when Edwin fires off a confident command, or makes mina temporarily fall into submissive admiration. The eroticism is just unmatched.
Thanks for the tremendous effort.
Here we have a perfect example of how different our viewpoints can be!The problem is not the agreed on cheating (if we even believe fel).
Elias is free to choose not to entertain each and every whim of his wife. That is not the same as intentionally destroying and humiliating one's spouse in the social circle.
Elias blackmailing is immoral but affects fel zero.
The girls of PC might be interesting, but as women for a long term relationship they are all bottom of the barrel. Even hana is a perfect example for why one never gets involved with girls who have a bad relationship with their parents: sure enough she tries to get Edwin into trouble by getting him to do stupid shit around August, just because she gets off on angering her father.
The game is one long warning about women and their ways.
it would have the completed tag in the title if it wasQuestion: Is this game now complete?
Or is there more to come?
Answer: noQuestion: Is this game now complete?
Or is there more to come?
How is Felicia seen as the corruptor when being on the threesome path from the start requires Mina cheating on Ian with MC?Btw. Felicia is also a horrible friend. When mina still feels wholesome shame, jealousy, and disgust about the degeneracy of the threesome, fel who knows by now how shallow her hedonistic life is, pushes mina against her inate resistance towards the same foolish path.
Makes for an interesting porn game, but fel is the bad friend you would never want for your own daughter.
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Hats off to you for your analysis and I dare say this one is the best one up to date.You must be registered to see the links
IMO the only thing out of place was the timing. Going back and forth between different scenes severed the flow/immersion and was a bucket of cold water that made me aware again I'm playing a game/am just an observer. Not sure if it could be done better though, personally I can't think of the way to do it and if TD could, it would probably take too much of his and GIL's time.
I see it differently. Kathleen has been doing this for 5 years now and at least Chuck is her friend AFAWK (at least judging by Chuck's words) so why would she want to destroy it or reshape it?
Abel's experiments is her side project and I don't see how that could disturb the club (and I would imagine that Chuck thinks so too, he has Abel under a close watch which his interaction with Edwin showed so I'm pretty sure he roughly knows what goes on in the vault).
As for Elias, like I said, the rest must have known about it and agreed to it. IMO Kat is doing it for fun and fun only. To exploit the one in a million chance that someone like Felicia would come along (not only 100% willingly but also being of high status, someone she would meet during boring parties). I mean, for a sadist like Kat it would be a waste to not try and get Elias into the club and see Felicia squirm but even non-sadistic perverts would see potential in such a scene.
Anyway, Elias being there doesn't necessarily mean bad things for the club (for Felicia, sure) and they have a plethora of options to mitigate any blowback that might occur due to this. She might drug him for one, he might be into it for two (we know she does her research and Elias wouldn't be in her office if he wasn't a filthy pervert just like the rest ofusthem), Elias will know that if he would spill the beans he would be destroyed or killed, etc. The only question is whether he will have any self respect and slam the doors leaving the club behind or will he allow to be made a laughing stock and remain there as a clown and cuck.
As Kathleen said about Felicia:
(...) "Over the next month, your social status means jack shit. You're no longer Mrs. Elias Ford, you're just another pig whore deserving of contempt." (...)
(...) "You're something special alright. This summer is going to be exceptional." (...)
P.S.
I agree that old title screen was better but it might be easily remedied if the background was darker (I think).
P.S. 2
BTW, do you think that Chuck could harm Ian (read: let someone else harm him) if his actions (regarding Darius for example) would jeopardize PC club and him getting off? Personally I think he could (although not permanently), his outburst during the exhibition showed that he really dislikes if someone is getting in the way of his fun.
Thanks for reading through it all, glad you liked it.Too risky, they could get to club any time and it would blow back in her face even more. If it was one person I could buy that (she could keep tabs on that person), but she has way too many people to handle. Not only August but also Chuck, Ian and now Hana even, plus any of the employees that might have noticed the new face.
Not to mention that we know that Chuck likes to check footage regularly:
Chuck: Just some footage from the previous day. I like to keep abreast of some of our patron's activities.
Let's be honest, Kat knows August and Chuck, knows what annoys them and what makes them tick (if she can do it almost immediately when meeting new people she certainly can do it with her old friends/acquaintances) so I can imagine she would know how to convince them to allow it without resorting to such covert shenanigans. But IMO she didn't have to convince them, this is a great opportunity for some really perverted stuff and this is what that club is about.
Thanks, Turret!Hi ename144!
You, like SteamedHamsInc. , wrote a really good review post, many interesting thoughts. A few commeting thoughts from me.
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