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So are we finally getting the rumoured full length Vicky porno? Because that just gave me an instant boner.
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Hold up. Aren't you the source of those rumors, though?
- Oct 18, 2017
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Well, as a Victoria enjoyer, I'm always spreading Vicky propaganda so TD gives her more screentime
.While I don't believe in mana, energy and things like that, I'm doing my best to manifest a full Vicky tape to appear in one of the updates.
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Preeeetty sure we are.All this discussion about Mommy Lovin' the last few pages and how it aint happening, then we get this preview
It's like we're being trolled at this point
Dev doesn't like the idea of allowing us to bang our Mom, just wants us to watch infinite scenes of other men banging her.
Dev got us like this trying to brainwash us into becoming cuckolds/NTR fans:
I was using your compressed version
..with joiplay on android
It works fine
And After hana date..i got this ....all the images after that dose not show up... just the text appears
I just want to know if this just on android ..or the problem in the file you send
I am at 2nd week, just started a situationship with Hana.
I know that there was different possibilities regarding Carnations, but I wanted to know if the Hana sleepover one - was it an outcome of my previous choices? Or it's scripted and no matter the traits and choices made, you will always get the movie night + Hana content, or alternatively just nothing?
Oh, and how much of the story is second week? Like 5% or 50%?
I know that there was different possibilities regarding Carnations, but I wanted to know if the Hana sleepover one - was it an outcome of my previous choices? Or it's scripted and no matter the traits and choices made, you will always get the movie night + Hana content, or alternatively just nothing?
Oh, and how much of the story is second week? Like 5% or 50%?
I'm really lazy, so I'm not going to read 700 pages of thread to see if anyone else has had these ideas before me. But I do want to ask: Has anyone else been hit by what I am going to call, for lack of a better phrase, the literary merit of this game?
I know. It's pretty damn weird for me to look at an AVN as "literature." But hear me out here. This is kinda long, so I'm throwing some spoilers on it to make it more manageable.
Thanks for reading, if you got this far, and sorry for being enough of a weirdo to write it in the first place.
I know. It's pretty damn weird for me to look at an AVN as "literature." But hear me out here. This is kinda long, so I'm throwing some spoilers on it to make it more manageable.
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Thanks for reading, if you got this far, and sorry for being enough of a weirdo to write it in the first place.
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There are plenty of visual novels with sex that focus much more on the writing than the sex, it is not that unusual. There have been games that reduced me to tears for extended periods of time and left me thinking about them for days. Personally, these have been Japanese origin games for me instead of western ones, but there are certainly western games that I'm more invested in the writing than the sex.
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That's a whole lot of questions. I'm a new member, seen some of these products (games? novels? stories?) throughout the years but it's first that I look into it more and check forums, so while some of these may have been discussed a lot in the past, it's interesting to me at least.
Overall I'm loving the writing for sure. On occasion some of the lines may feel weird, out of place, or just foreign to me, but the story flow and characters are remarkably consistent. Certainly a lot more entertaining, and engaging than I expected, (in my limited experience), one of the very best. I don't mind a quick fap once in a while but that's what short porn videos are for, this is quite different, longer form of entertainment for me.
I have a measure of quality of the story that is not objective at all. How emotionally invested I become with the characters, if I think of them afterwards, fantasize about them or not. It's something interesting as it's both discomfortable and good at the same time - I don't want to feel melancholic or sad for no good reason (knowing what I long for and fantasize about does not exist at all), but also can't help it. I guess in that respect this story was very good. I find that the images, while by themselves meaningless, help selling the fantasy.
About the rest... I think in an ideal world we are equals and there's mutual respect, but I feel wherever sex work is involved there's always some exploitation, basically what MC says to Hana. I don't think such an establishment could really work completely fairly, and a lot of that is due to the nature of the patrons - there's a lot of assholes out there, way too many, and even if it's all saints in management if you're a business you can't just do business with respectful, nice guys and people will regularly get hurt. People are individuals, there's various motivations and I'm sure there's all kinds of ways people justify selling their bodies (literally or figuratively) and some of those are more sound than others. However I believe equality and mutual respect can only really happen when there's no valuable money (or favour) exchanged, otherwise it's hard to avoid some level of subordination.
About misogyny, the most unrealistic, and unfair part for me is the one that makes these things work - there's this big dick individual that performs outstanding in everything basically, and literally all women fall for him. There's a progression just to make it feel more natural but it's just more or less a linear and predictable progression. It does kind of portrey women as pretty simple individuals, you do what you do and they will fall for you
there's often some level of resistance but it basically always is superficial and/or temporary, just a mask you need to get through and it doesn't feel hard, maybe somewhat time consuming (well.. realistically.. a week or two, that's very little?).Secondly I'm not sure and I would be curious what women think - the seemingly logical motivations and explanations these women have to explain why they are there willingly seem very convenient, feels like to soothe our conscience. Can't help but think in RL a lot of prostitues have similar motivations (povery, and/or manipulated by some asshole) and that can be kind of off-putting to me. Staying at the RL example, looking just at the ethnicities seems to confirm this largely nd there's a lot that you don't see at first sight.
These stories are made for men, probably by men. Was just thinking the other day how one-sided this point of view is and I'm fairly sure it's VERY. I would genuinely be curious if some teams would include a considerable woman influence in writing (50% or more), how different the story would be. Sure if guys are target audience we have to get our gratification, but how different the stories, characters, dialogues, reactions, the whole path to it would be?
There's indeed a respectable amount of effort going into giving the women in this story dignity, which I absolutely appreciate, it makes them feel a lot more real to me. If I'm cynical I can also wonder whether this is what sells to the majority, a reflection of the writers' own views, or a mix of the two?
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The duality of man.
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Yea, PC portrays misogyny, but certainly the message of the game isn't misogynistic. In my playthroughs, that portrayal is negative and discordant with Edwin's better nature. I typed up a reply to that effect when I read Pax Draconis' comment, but it was already off-topic to be debating the weighted rating system in a game thread. To start debating the messaging of PC in another game thread , besides being rude to Jestur, would be an invitation for a mod purge. Also, if somebody played Pale Carnations and came away with the with the overview "[PC] features cruelty and humiliation towards its LIs and is generally misogynistic", then I doubt anything I could say would change their mind. I assume that they're sensitive enough about harsher themes in PC, that they can't bear to read the story deeply enough to make anything more than a snap judgement about the themes in the narrative.
Picking out some of your questions:
Generally, no. By playing, we're only complicit in bringing cruel scenes to life in our own minds and their effects on our own psyches.
Yes it's harmless unless one feels negative personality changes or behaviors related to experiencing this fiction. It might be escapism if used just to experience a life one would never live, but maybe not limited to that if used for reflecting on our personalities (or navel gazing, as TD would call this whole discussion we're having)
I've downloaded here for free, and been a Patreon for a while now too. I feel the same reading it in either case, which is to say TD & GIL haven't left any indelible marks neither upon my soul nor my taint.
Yes, 10,000%. They are fictional, not real. We have responsibility to others only in the real world. If reading the events in this or any story create negative effects in the reader that he/she/it/they transmit outside themselves to the real world, that's where culpability begins.
The emotional weight exists in the readers and creators. Again, if that emotional weight is impacting real life, that's a problem. Otherwise, it's fleeting fantasy or a tool for deeper introspection. Once you stop imaging or remembering the suffering of a character, that suffering disappears.
I agree. I read PC as anti-misogynist, among many other things.
And now that you mention it, perhaps it's a sneaky attempt to instill some empathetic perspectives into readers who may have anti-feminist proclivities.
Wait! Are TD and GIL grooming misogynists into feminists! Sound the alarm! Retreat to 4chan, bros! We need to regroup against this insidious threat!
Pale Carnations is about a spunky woman breaking through the glass ceiling of a male-dominated industry.
Go get it, Kat!
Go get it, Kat!
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She's spunky alright.
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Wait, the first picture, at what point does it happen? more precisely, when and where?
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Sometime after we were drugged, but when exactly and what did you choose in the dialogues?
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I think the game is more feminist than misogynist. They fight the patriarchy with the best weapon they have, their pussies
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I believe that was before the contest when they were deciding Lucy or Red as the last contestant in Kat's office. You were given a choice where to place your load Lucy, Red or there. I took that one too lol.
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Isn't this scene at the beginning of the game practically? Red? Do you mean Veronica?