Pale Carnations is about a spunky woman breaking through the glass ceiling of a male-dominated industry.
Go get it, Kat!
Go get it, Kat!
She's spunky alright.Pale Carnations is about a spunky woman breaking through the glass ceiling of a male-dominated industry.
Go get it, Kat!
Wait, the first picture, at what point does it happen? more precisely, when and where?She's spunky alright.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Sometime after we were drugged, but when exactly and what did you choose in the dialogues?She's spunky alright.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
I think the game is more feminist than misogynist. They fight the patriarchy with the best weapon they have, their pussies
Wait, the first picture, at what point does it happen? more precisely, when and where?
Isn't this scene at the beginning of the game practically? Red? Do you mean Veronica?I believe that was before the contest when they were deciding Lucy or Red as the last contestant in Kat's office. You were given a choice where to place your load Lucy, Red or there. I took that one too lol.
Yes Veronica, kinda been using the nickname they gave her in game (keeps me from accidently typing in Victoria also). Too many stories and characters, sometimes they get a little mixed up.Isn't this scene at the beginning of the game practically? Red? Do you mean Veronica?
But the text says that she has already drugged him and used this moment is happening further in the game and Not at the beginning? maybe I don't understand something. Are you talking about the moment where we evaluate Veronica and Lucy in the Caitlin office?Yes Veronica, kinda been using the nickname they gave her in game (keeps me from accidently typing in Victoria also). Too many stories and characters, sometimes they get a little mixed up.
The perfume is introduced in the prologue. First in the limousine meeting with Kathleen, and subsequently during the Lucy x Veronica office scene.maybe I don't understand something. Are you talking about the moment where we evaluate Veronica and Lucy in the Caitlin office?
You make some very good points here! I suppose there is a certain amount of misogyny in any AVN from certain perspectives, because the plot requires the LIs to actually be, yknow, LIs, and it's pretty unrealistic and fantasy-fulfilling that multiple women would fall for some random schlub of a protagonist, especially as quickly as most of these games have it happen. But that's part of the fantasy fulfillment, right? So while I am positive that some people would see misogyny there, I personally don't find that fantasy misogynistic in and of itself. Lack of realism, in my opinion, is not problematic on it's own. That's the whole point of escapism, after all.I think in an ideal world we are equals and there's mutual respect, but I feel wherever sex work is involved there's always some exploitation, basically what MC says to Hana. I don't think such an establishment could really work completely fairly, and a lot of that is due to the nature of the patrons - there's a lot of assholes out there, way too many, and even if it's all saints in management if you're a business you can't just do business with respectful, nice guys and people will regularly get hurt. People are individuals, there's various motivations and I'm sure there's all kinds of ways people justify selling their bodies (literally or figuratively) and some of those are more sound than others. However I believe equality and mutual respect can only really happen when there's no valuable money (or favour) exchanged, otherwise it's hard to avoid some level of subordination.
About misogyny, the most unrealistic, and unfair part for me is the one that makes these things work - there's this big dick individual that performs outstanding in everything basically, and literally all women fall for him. There's a progression just to make it feel more natural but it's just more or less a linear and predictable progression. It does kind of portrey women as pretty simple individuals, you do what you do and they will fall for you there's often some level of resistance but it basically always is superficial and/or temporary, just a mask you need to get through and it doesn't feel hard, maybe somewhat time consuming (well.. realistically.. a week or two, that's very little?).
Secondly I'm not sure and I would be curious what women think - the seemingly logical motivations and explanations these women have to explain why they are there willingly seem very convenient, feels like to soothe our conscience. Can't help but think in RL a lot of prostitues have similar motivations (povery, and/or manipulated by some asshole) and that can be kind of off-putting to me. Staying at the RL example, looking just at the ethnicities seems to confirm this largely nd there's a lot that you don't see at first sight.
These stories are made for men, probably by men. Was just thinking the other day how one-sided this point of view is and I'm fairly sure it's VERY. I would genuinely be curious if some teams would include a considerable woman influence in writing (50% or more), how different the story would be. Sure if guys are target audience we have to get our gratification, but how different the stories, characters, dialogues, reactions, the whole path to it would be?
I agree with all of this! In fact, my post originally started out as a reply to the comment you mention, and I didn't post it in the Ripples thread for exactly the reasons you mention. Then I was going to send it to Pax Draconis as a PM, but I decided against that also because it felt extra weird to send such a long wall of text in rsponse to a single casually dropped sentence, lol. So I ended up coming to post it here, because this is probably a better place to get the discussion I wanted in the first placeYea, PC portrays misogyny, but certainly the message of the game isn't misogynistic. In my playthroughs, that portrayal is negative and discordant with Edwin's better nature. I typed up a reply to that effect when I read Pax Draconis' comment, but it was already off-topic to be debating the weighted rating system in a game thread. To start debating the messaging of PC in another game thread , besides being rude to Jestur, would be an invitation for a mod purge. Also, if somebody played Pale Carnations and came away with the with the overview "[PC] features cruelty and humiliation towards its LIs and is generally misogynistic", then I doubt anything I could say would change their mind. I assume that they're sensitive enough about harsher themes in PC, that they can't bear to read the story deeply enough to make anything more than a snap judgement about the themes in the narrative.
Oh crap, did I accidentally blow the lid off a sneaky subversive plot to humanize the manosphere types? Um. Shit. Uhhhhhhh, let's all pretend I didn't say anything and maybe they won't notice.I agree. I read PC as anti-misogynist, among many other things.
And now that you mention it, perhaps it's a sneaky attempt to instill some empathetic perspectives into readers who may have anti-feminist proclivities. Wait! Are TD and GIL grooming misogynists into feminists! Sound the alarm! Retreat to 4chan, bros! We need to regroup against this insidious threat!
Goddamn maybe I should do the Kathleen route.She's spunky alright.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Well, TD and GIL are clearly woke, and they have taken a long and convoluted route to emasculate the player, and ultimately make frogs gay. Clear as day.Oh crap, did I accidentally blow the lid off a sneaky subversive plot to humanize the manosphere types? Um. Shit. Uhhhhhhh, let's all pretend I didn't say anything and maybe they won't notice.
I think JULIA is the JULIA of our times, no? She can be the JULIA of her times.Clearly the JULIA of our times.
For my part, I am all for more Vicky porno because it pays in dividends with more Rosalind scenes.
I hope we get a large Pale Carnations DLC one day with all her full scenesgahdamn how many scenes has she done?
I know some Yurias, never heard of Julias.Either they mean the famous Japanese porn star JULIA with several hundred scenes in her career, or it's some kind of inside joke.