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By that metric absolutely all kids (and plenty of adults) are Psychopaths. Unsurprising, really, since it directly stems from being in an unequal dependence relationship (which is basically everybody) where direct conflict is not a workable option - kids and parents, wage slaves and their owners, people in relationships etc...

Incorrect.

While there are bursts of such behavior in most children, especially the more intelligent ones, children confronted with their lies and asked to explain them will often tell the truth. As I understand it, children lying is usually more identity boundry experimentation, than actual materialist investment.

More, some kids are more strongly predisposed towards accurate information relation from the get-go and, for a certainty, most adults do NOT exhibit the LACK OF EMPATHY AND CONSCIENCE necessary to REFLEXIVELY lie (without an INTERNAL CHECK ON BEHAVIOR) that psychopaths and sociopaths exhibit.

A certain amount of doublethink is required to lie, but that is not much of a factor for psychopaths, and it seems like they might not see the innate need for truth unless it is directly useful towards their goals, or direct consequences are brought upon them for lying.

Lying is not innately an unequal dependence relationship, though there is overlap, and cases where an individual is in a disadvantaged position will probably exacerbate the probability of lying. Lying also very often occurs when a person has power over others but simply doesn't feel any concern for telling the truth, or even just enjoys the experience of lying, if they are truly bent. Consider that the Nazis were in no way in a disadvantaged position, relative to the Jews in the concentration camps, when the Nazis lied and told them the gas chambers were regular showers.

An argument COULD be made, tho, that there is an unequal dependence relationship between the psychopath **and all of existence**, in that psychopaths engaging in lying to control people in order to feel they are powerful **in the face of what they likely perceive as an innately inimically chaotic universe** might be viewing the individual as being a small **and controllable** part of that universe. This supposition is, however, as previously noted, conjecture on my part, tho it does seem to comport with the pattern psychopaths notably and even characteristically oft exhibit.

I can go into that more but it would be much more developed discussion and not really correct material for this discussion thread.

I will also say that modern society, especially as propelled by social media, seems to have a unfortunate increasing trend towards rampant narcissism, which can indeed result in a more commonplace occurrence of dishonesty: a trend that a younger audience, brought up only experiencing a world full of social media, might then mistake for a natively commonplace state.

On the other hand, it could quite easily be that social media, like certain drugs, simply brings out the traits of a person that were already there beneath the surface. Nonetheless, there does seem to be quite a bit more, and more virulent narcissism in the world than there was prior to the predominance of Facebook, TikTok, etc.

This is definitely getting more and more off topic, though.
 
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So, is there something between Ian and Victoria or not? I don't care about spoilers.
Often made question. Currently we cannot say if that is the case. Maybe(!), just maybe, depending on how we play the game it could happen or not.
What we can say is that Vicki is more of a Mom for Ian than his real mother has been. Ian is more open with her, beside the MC, than anyone else.
 

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Updated my compressed Android port of Pale Carnations with Shawnchapp's walkthrough mod to Chapter 4 Update 4.

Got some basic gestures loaded in: swipe up for save menu, swipe down to hide UI, swipe left to rollback and swipe right to skip. Save files are now stored in the Documents folder. This sometimes means that you may need to close and re-open the port after installing so the save folder is properly created.

Due to the size of this game, I've split it out so you will need to install the apk, run it to get it to create the game folder that can be found in your Documents folder: Documents/Eonor/e.palecarnations/game. Then move the archive.rpa file into that folder and re-run the port.

Please let me know if you encounter any issues with the ports and I'll see what I can do to get them sorted.

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So, is there something between Ian and Victoria or not? I don't care about spoilers.
No, Ian seems to think of Victoria more like a mother figure than his own mother, to the point where he gets squicked out when she tells him that yes, she does have sex occasionally.

The prospect of Ian finding out about Victoria's porn career is one of things i dread the most when it comes to plot developments of this game, because it's likely to absolutely ruin their current dynamic (and relations with Edwin) given Ian's treatment of women he perceives as sex objects, something Victoria so far seemingly avoided.
 

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No, Ian seems to think of Victoria more like a mother figure than his own mother, to the point where he gets squicked out when she tells him that yes, she does have sex occasionally.

The prospect of Ian finding out about Victoria's porn career is one of things i dread the most when it comes to plot developments of this game, because it's likely to absolutely ruin their current dynamic (and relations with Edwin) given Ian's treatment of women he perceives as sex objects, something Victoria so far seemingly avoided.
Ironically, I think Ian would take it much harder than Edwin, given his hatred for most women, whom he percieves as cold hearted sluts, due to Chuck's negative influence and his own mother being a piece of work. That's why he has such a hard time with Mina, who has been nothing but loving and loyal to him, thus invalidating his worldview, and thus he constantly tested her boundaries so he could paint her as a shallow slut he believes her to be.

If he ever found out what sorts of nasty things Vicky did in the past, thst would absolutely destroy any chance he had of changing his ways. Like you said, while Edwin's mostly supoortive of his mother dating around and getting laid, Ian seems to be disgusted when Vicky talks about having casual sex, mostly because he doesn't know about her past and thus has a more distorted view of her than Edwin does, and Edwin's view of his mother is already pretty far from reality.
 

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every time I go into this thread, I think I got into some kind of Gary Potter topic where girls discuss who loves whom and who is devoted to. Keep up the good work guys!
 

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The Authors told here on this thread that we WILL NOT see Victoria involved in any romance / sex acts except her porn flicks flashbacks. And they told it more than once.

Nonetheless this didn't refrain people from asking, so feel free to ask again. :sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:
Dude, I didn't ask if we will SEE her involved in any romance or sex acts. I don't even wanna see it.
I mean, we will not see it, but it could happen in the background and we only know through the dialogue, y'know?
Ian is trash. Why would I even want to see him bang Victoria, lol.

Thanks for the answer anyway. :coffee:
 
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No, it will not happens. The dialogue between Ian and Victoria have stated pretty well that there isn't any kind of sexual relationship between them.
 
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Dude, I didn't ask if we will SEE her involved in any romance or sex acts. I don't even wanna see it.
I mean, we will not see it, but it could happen in the background and we only know through the dialogue, y'know?
Ian is trash. Why would I even want to see him bang Victoria, lol.

Thanks for the answer anyway. :coffee:
The Authors said she is NOT going to be involved in anything.

Well, feel free to ask again, if you wish. :sneaky:
 

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The Authors said she is NOT going to be involved in anything.
The Authors told here on this thread that we WILL NOT see Victoria involved in any romance / sex acts except her porn flicks flashbacks. And they told it more than once.
Please don't take this a confirmation of anything, and I may be mistaken because I've said many things over the 4+ years I've been yammering here, but the only thing I remember explicitly revealing on the subject is that Vicky wouldn't get pulled into performing for the club as some big gatcha for Edwin and that her development lies outside the club story line.

Generally I try not to give away too much, especially when it's a reoccurring area of conversation like this one, so your confidence has made me curious if you could point me to any examples where I've concretely or even vaguely put the speculation to bed.

Still, I will say... for the question at hand, it is true that the text has made the depth of Ian and Victoria's relationship clear, and the conversation in the kitchen during 3.3 wouldn't make any sense if Ian and Vicky were banging.
 

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Please don't take this a confirmation of anything, and I may be mistaken because I've said many things over the 4+ years I've been yammering here, but the only thing I remember explicitly revealing on the subject is that Vicky wouldn't get pulled into performing for the club as some big gatcha for Edwin and that her development lies outside the club story line.

Generally I try not to give away too much, especially when it's a reoccurring area of conversation like this one, so your confidence has made me curious if you could point me to any examples where I've concretely or even vaguely put the speculation to bed.

Still, I will say... for the question at hand, it is true that the text has made the depth of Ian and Victoria's relationship clear, and the conversation in the kitchen during 3.3 wouldn't make any sense if Ian and Vicky were banging.
Heard this in my head as I read this....

Please do not make us watch our Mom get banged in the present day as well.... there are already enough scenes of randos banging our Mom.....please, bro.
 
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Please don't take this a confirmation of anything, and I may be mistaken because I've said many things over the 4+ years I've been yammering here, but the only thing I remember explicitly revealing on the subject is that Vicky wouldn't get pulled into performing for the club as some big gatcha for Edwin and that her development lies outside the club story line.

Generally I try not to give away too much, especially when it's a reoccurring area of conversation like this one, so your confidence has made me curious if you could point me to any examples where I've concretely or even vaguely put the speculation to bed.

Still, I will say... for the question at hand, it is true that the text has made the depth of Ian and Victoria's relationship clear, and the conversation in the kitchen during 3.3 wouldn't make any sense if Ian and Vicky were banging.
I remember you saying that Vicky won't participate in the club, and I guess most people took it as no present Vicky content, myself included. You did make a few comments about present Vicky getting a sex scene somewhere, but I assume it was tongue in cheek. Present Vicky getting railed by some Tinder guy would be prety hot, especially if Edwin makes one of his unnanounced visits or phone calls and interrupting, but I understand that she's a side character and that she won't get as much time as the main girls.

I'm still gonna spread Vicky propaganda and campaign for more Vicky content, of course.
 
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