VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Perwyn]

For me, as long as it has nothing to do with the PC Club and is nice and fun for Viktoria, who already had hard times in her life, I have no problems with her development. I would also have no problem with a Vicki-Ian couple, if that development was done organically. Meaning an Ian whom we got to think about the way his life goes on, who really starts to go towards Prof./teacher stuff, chose Alice over Amber early after the breakup with Mina, that direction.
Ian starting to turn his life around could also be a way towards reconciliation with Mina, as it could be a way towards a Vicki-Ian relationship.

Precisely, I personally wouldn't like to see sexual development between her and the MC. But her with other people would be very welcome, I mentioned NTR because that would be an extra spice for my personal tastes

 

[Ottoeight]

This porn game Internet was created so that pseudo-intellectuals could give themselves free rein.

Errata corrige.

 

[rizzgod05]

anyone have saves that are caught up? was going to back them up when my old pc took a dump on me and failed

 

[Elduriel]

anyone have saves that are caught up? was going to back them up when my old pc took a dump on me and failed

wouldn't trust random ren'py saves on the internet dude, easy to add malicious code into them (just sayin')

 

[sauron93]

Please don't take this a confirmation of anything, and I may be mistaken because I've said many things over the 4+ years I've been yammering here, but the only thing I remember explicitly revealing on the subject is that Vicky wouldn't get pulled into performing for the club as some big gatcha for Edwin and that her development lies outside the club story line.

Generally I try not to give away too much, especially when it's a reoccurring area of conversation like this one, so your confidence has made me curious if you could point me to any examples where I've concretely or even vaguely put the speculation to bed.

Still, I will say... for the question at hand, it is true that the text has made the depth of Ian and Victoria's relationship clear, and the conversation in the kitchen during 3.3 wouldn't make any sense if Ian and Vicky were banging.

Not the first this dude was talking like he had some insider info . I personally don't care if Victoria has content or not, but going after people asking questions about Vicky always rubbed me the wrong way. Thanks for clearing this up TD

 

[MoBy28]

For me, as long as it has nothing to do with the PC Club and is nice and fun for Viktoria, who already had hard times in her life, I have no problems with her development. I would also have no problem with a Vicki-Ian couple, if that development was done organically. Meaning an Ian whom we got to think about the way his life goes on, who really starts to go towards Prof./teacher stuff, chose Alice over Amber early after the breakup with Mina, that direction.
Ian starting to turn his life around could also be a way towards reconciliation with Mina, as it could be a way towards a Vicki-Ian relationship.

IMO I don't see Ian-Victoria being a good thing or really being accepted by the MC. MC knows how Ian is and how he treats women. He also loves to brag, call and video chat the MC while doing sexual things with women. You really think the MC is going to be ok with that type of thing? I see that as being the end of the "bromance" friendship and causing issues all around with the club due to both their involvement with the club. Don't really think Victoria would do something like that to her son either. Not really sure how Chuck would react(still think he had something to do with Victoria's past in the porn industry). TBH I don't see the MC really accepting anyone involved with the club being with his mother as he has seen how they all truly are, except maybe that sissy guy Dahlia's dominates. He wants the best for his mother to pay her back for what she did for him, with that in mind I don't see him really accepting of anyone who might possibly treat his mother badly or disrespectfully. Again this is my opinion based on the way things have played out so far, I could be wrong but we'll have to wait and see what the dev does.

 

[Turret]

IMO I don't see Ian-Victoria being a good thing or really being accepted by the MC. MC knows how Ian is and how he treats women. He also loves to brag, call and video chat the MC while doing sexual things with women. You really think the MC is going to be ok with that type of thing? I see that as being the end of the "bromance" friendship and causing issues all around with the club due to both their involvement with the club. Don't really think Victoria would do something like that to her son either. Not really sure how Chuck would react(still think he had something to do with Victoria's past in the porn industry). TBH I don't see the MC really accepting anyone involved with the club being with his mother as he has seen how they all truly are, except maybe that sissy guy Dahlia's dominates. He wants the best for his mother to pay her back for what she did for him, with that in mind I don't see him really accepting of anyone who might possibly treat his mother badly or disrespectfully. Again this is my opinion based on the way things have played out so far, I could be wrong but we'll have to wait and see what the dev does.

Just look at what I wrote: "(...) if that development was done organically. Meaning an Ian whom we got to think about the way his life goes on(...)"
As I said, it could function if the Ian we sometimes see glimpses off, comes to the forefront. As he is currently it would not fit.

 

[The Senior Perv]

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[dolfe67]

IMO I don't see Ian-Victoria being a good thing or really being accepted by the MC. MC knows how Ian is and how he treats women. He also loves to brag, call and video chat the MC while doing sexual things with women. You really think the MC is going to be ok with that type of thing? I see that as being the end of the "bromance" friendship and causing issues all around with the club due to both their involvement with the club. Don't really think Victoria would do something like that to her son either. Not really sure how Chuck would react(still think he had something to do with Victoria's past in the porn industry). TBH I don't see the MC really accepting anyone involved with the club being with his mother as he has seen how they all truly are, except maybe that sissy guy Dahlia's dominates. He wants the best for his mother to pay her back for what she did for him, with that in mind I don't see him really accepting of anyone who might possibly treat his mother badly or disrespectfully. Again this is my opinion based on the way things have played out so far, I could be wrong but we'll have to wait and see what the dev does.

There is a redemption arc for Ian, initiated by MC. So in that path he might be ok with it.

 

[Bill Temple]

Just look at what I wrote: "(...) if that development was done organically. Meaning an Ian whom we got to think about the way his life goes on(...)"
As I said, it could function if the Ian we sometimes see glimpses off, comes to the forefront. As he is currently it would not fit.

There is a redemption arc for Ian, initiated by MC. So in that path he might be ok with it.

I gonna go out on a limb and guess two things about you: 1) You love your mom; and 2) Your best bro when you were (or are) in your early twenties was/is not a prolific womanizer with stunted emotional development.
If those guesses are correct, would you honestly be down with letting him smash your mom a little?

 

[SlowGoesSlow]

Victoria has been smashed enough. She deserves rest.

 

[MoBy28]

I gonna go out on a limb and guess two things about you: 1) You love your mom; and 2) Your best bro when you were (or are) in your early twenties was/is not a prolific womanizer with stunted emotional development.
If those guesses are correct, would you honestly be down with letting him smash your mom a little?

On top of that neither seems to be considering Victoria and the possible repercussions she could suffer from the various others in the story. Does she want/love him that much that she would risk everything with others to be with him? Again it will be the Devs choice, but IMO it would do more harm than good.

 

[Turret]

I gonna go out on a limb and guess two things about you: 1) You love your mom; and 2) Your best bro when you were (or are) in your early twenties was/is not a prolific womanizer with stunted emotional development.
If those guesses are correct, would you honestly be down with letting him smash your mom a little?

As I wrote in my post, current Ian is not fit for a relationship with almost anyone. But we see sometimes glimpses of an Ian how he could be if not being led/groomed by Chuck and his parents. As dolfe67 also said, our MC can nudge Ian towards personal growth, if we choose these decisions. The Ian at the end of that path could be a fit for Vicki.

 

[ename144]

I gonna go out on a limb and guess two things about you: 1) You love your mom; and 2) Your best bro when you were (or are) in your early twenties was/is not a prolific womanizer with stunted emotional development.
If those guesses are correct, would you honestly be down with letting him smash your mom a little?

Valid point, but I think the bigger issue is that Victoria is unlikely to see Ian in a sexual light herself. Just as he regarded her as a surrogate mother, Victoria seems to think of Ian as an adopted son. There's no shortage of love between them, but it isn't romantic.

 

[ffive]

As I wrote in my post, current Ian is not fit for a relationship with almost anyone. But we see sometimes glimpses of an Ian how he could be if not being led/groomed by Chuck and his parents. As dolfe67 also said, our MC can nudge Ian towards personal growth, if we choose these decisions. The Ian at the end of that path could be a fit for Vicki.

You've missed the point of that post, i believe. They're talkin of "reformed Ian" i.e. normal-adjusted 20 year old and posing a question if you'd be okay with your own 20 year old friend, equivalent of such Ian, smashing your own 40-something mom.

 

[Idontplay]

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[Ummmh]

And I agree, a big part of becoming a good writer is knowing what fans need rather than what they want. But that doesn't change what I'd like to see, but I'm happy with whatever path they decide take and I have faith that they will do a good job as they have always done.

Not to give offence regarding what you said, and what you said was, in spirit, correct, but I have a strong suspicion that PC's writer is not so much becoming good, but may very well already be a professional.

Whoever's penning this gives a lot of cues of already being in the business, and possibly doing this as a side route. There are a lot of VERY polished bits in his writing.

I could be wrong, but I did focus creative writing in college, so have some experience w/this, and there's a lot of evidence here of someone who knows what they're doing and already has the end planned out and is working the characters to meet the plot(s), with a LOT of details working seamlessly towards that end: details that would have needed careful consideration and judicious juggling beforehand, to all line up. This includes a fair amount of philosophical introspection and debate that would be flatly missing from a less polished work. The writer has seriously thought this one over: REPEATEDLY, I suspect.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's the sort of person who runs through conversations in his head beforehand, and he very much smacks of someone who's been writing for quite a while, possibly professionally. He may be in the porn business or not; he may have a more "reputable" writing career outside PC.

Again, that's mainly just an impression I'm getting, but it's a pretty strong one, gleaned from considerable and consistent evidence. People just dipping into writing tend to be a LOT more clumsy, and hack writers are, well, hack, and he's kinda not.

 

[Perwyn]

Not to give offence regarding what you said, and what you said was, in spirit, correct, but I have a strong suspicion that PC's writer is not so much becoming good, but may very well already be a professional.

Whoever's penning this gives a lot of cues of already being in the business, and possibly doing this as a side route. There are a lot of VERY polished bits in his writing.

I could be wrong, but I did focus creative writing in college, so have some experience w/this, and there's a lot of evidence here of someone who knows what they're doing and already has the end planned out and is working the characters to meet the plot(s), with a LOT of details working seamlessly towards that end: details that would have needed careful consideration and judicious juggling beforehand, to all line up. This includes a fair amount of philosophical introspection and debate that would be flatly missing from a less polished work. The writer has seriously thought this one over: REPEATEDLY, I suspect.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's the sort of person who runs through conversations in his head beforehand, and he very much smacks of someone who's been writing for quite a while, possibly professionally. He may be in the porn business or not; he may have a more "reputable" writing career outside PC.

Again, that's mainly just an impression I'm getting, but it's a pretty strong one, gleaned from considerable and consistent evidence. People just dipping into writing tend to be a LOT more clumsy, and hack writers are, well, hack, and he's kinda not.

You're right, I have the same impression. No one writes a coherent story like this without having extensive writing experience beforehand. Those who are just starting out have difficulty writing a short text, or short stories. You can pick up published books to read and see errors that you can't find in Pale Carnation.

 

[Turret]

Not to give offence regarding what you said, and what you said was, in spirit, correct, but I have a strong suspicion that PC's writer is not so much becoming good, but may very well already be a professional.

Whoever's penning this gives a lot of cues of already being in the business, and possibly doing this as a side route. There are a lot of VERY polished bits in his writing.

I could be wrong, but I did focus creative writing in college, so have some experience w/this, and there's a lot of evidence here of someone who knows what they're doing and already has the end planned out and is working the characters to meet the plot(s), with a LOT of details working seamlessly towards that end: details that would have needed careful consideration and judicious juggling beforehand, to all line up. This includes a fair amount of philosophical introspection and debate that would be flatly missing from a less polished work. The writer has seriously thought this one over: REPEATEDLY, I suspect.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's the sort of person who runs through conversations in his head beforehand, and he very much smacks of someone who's been writing for quite a while, possibly professionally. He may be in the porn business or not; he may have a more "reputable" writing career outside PC.

Again, that's mainly just an impression I'm getting, but it's a pretty strong one, gleaned from considerable and consistent evidence. People just dipping into writing tend to be a LOT more clumsy, and hack writers are, well, hack, and he's kinda not.

You're right, I have the same impression. No one writes a coherent story like this without having extensive writing experience beforehand. Those who are just starting out have difficulty writing a short text, or short stories. You can pick up published books to read and see errors that you can't find in Pale Carnation.

I agree with you! English is a second language for me, but even I can see the polish done here. (I would very much like to see a German version of this) TD is most probably writing for a living or it is a large part of his real life job. If he is "just" a hobby writer, he is definitely gifted. As you said, there are published books with more mistakes in it than PC has.

 

[Ummmh]

You're right, I have the same impression. No one writes a coherent story like this without having extensive writing experience beforehand. Those who are just starting out have difficulty writing a short text, or short stories. You can pick up published books to read and see errors that you can't find in Pale Carnation.

It would be hilarious if PC turns out to be his magnum opus.