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Also, when you visit Kat, she tells you she keeps to herself because they judge women different. So Felicia coming into that lion's den is really a personal affront to everything she believes and built in the existence of the Club.
Kat is like one of those conservative feminists who spent their whole life thinking the only way for them to have some power is to put up with the men taking the top spots, and putting up with that despite thinking themselves so much smarter and better... only to then see some young woman who "doesn't know any better" just come in and show that no, it absolutely didn't have to be that way. It's personal because it carries the possibility that it's Kat who's been the dumb one all her life. :sneaky:
 

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Kat is like one of those conservative feminists who spent their whole life thinking the only way for them to have some power is to put up with the men taking the top spots, and putting up with that despite thinking themselves so much smarter and better... only to then see some young woman who "doesn't know any better" just come in and show that no, it absolutely didn't have to be that way. It's personal because it carries the possibility that it's Kat who's been the dumb one all her life. :sneaky:
I disagree. More that Felicia and Kat are foils to one another. In a world of mirrors, both reflect different choices and outcomes in a situation.

Felicia can bring about what she wants with charm and sexuality.

Kat brings about what she wants with pain and calculated decisions.

What they put into the story is intrigue. As TD stated before, Kat is the most honest sadist and quickly capable of analyzing and securing a weak point. Felicia doesn't have to try if you look into her in Week... 3? 2? Where she knows what Edwin wants. You want her dominant, she can be that or she can sus out and mother you just like Rosalind and play to that.

Kat isn't dumb and even if she's lost a bit, she'll fight to keep what's hers. And that's the club. What she says over and over to Felicia is that you can't think it's a picnic. And she's right. But to the both of them, they have something to prove.

In a sense, it's a clash of ideals. And you know that those have to be proven or disproven with experience. Not that it doesn't have to be that way, but you don't find out until that clash in seeing what's stronger or weaker since what worked for you continues to happen.
 
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ename144

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Correct me if I'm wrong but he hasn't even seen Felicia's hideout where the most important scenes happen? :KEK:
AFAIK, Felicia will always take the MC to her rooftop garden of solitude after the interview with Elias in Week 2. What changes if the MC is on her path is that she actually explains her motivations and talks about the old art school closing.


Patrons aren't equal, there's hierarchy there.

Edwin: "...I thought that everyone was equal brothers around here."
Samson: "Ha, you thought wrong, kid! You put any two shitheads together and poof! You got a hierarchy on your hands."

Samson and that slimy teacher are at the bottom, Abel is at the very top.

There is also that ambassador who licks other's cum, how could anyone shake is hand is beyond me and yet they do it. There is no kink shaming there.

Also Kat somehow hasnt lost her respect despite this:
To be fair, only Isaak and Samson were present to see Veronica go to town on Kathleen.

That said, Kathleen is something of an interesting case. As others have noted, Harper tells the MC most patrons don't respect her: they play along with her because she's an owner of the Club. In other words, Kat skates by on their respect for Chuck and/or August. I think that's a big part of why she's so gung-ho about Abel's experiments - she sees it as a way to shake up the status quo and carve out her own empire on her terms. If other people get their feathers ruffled in the process, well... sadist.

Still, for Felicia the practical upshot of the current story is that the Club can be a useful framework for artificially boosting her respect if she manages to join it. Even if other patrons badmouth her in private, they'll likely still play ball with her and that's what she needs from them.


How can she monetize this sort of "connections" / "influence"?
"Hey fellow patron, I see you're in a pissing match with [Person X]. I know a surefire way to get his goat, and I'd be happy to tell you if you just take care of a few things for me in return."

There are a bunch of different variations on that theme, and obviously anything I say is ultimately speculation, but this is the simplest way to interpret Felicia's words. Being a member of the Club will give her access to influential people within the right circles, AND give them a reason to trust that she'll deliver on her promises. Once she's shown she can get results, she'll probably be able to expand her services to things like collecting intel or staging embarrassing events directly, so she won't be reliant on her current knowledge forever.

Is this a solid enough plan to persuade you she's a well written character? I suspect not. But I find it reasonable given what we know of her and the patrons.
 

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Kat is like one of those conservative feminists who spent their whole life thinking the only way for them to have some power is to put up with the men taking the top spots, and putting up with that despite thinking themselves so much smarter and better... only to then see some young woman who "doesn't know any better" just come in and show that no, it absolutely didn't have to be that way. It's personal because it carries the possibility that it's Kat who's been the dumb one all her life. :sneaky:
Kat was born into wealth and raised up as someone who was suppose to rule over the mass: she never had to put up with anyone, except her sister, I guess.


I disagree. More that Felicia and Kat are foils to one another. In a world of mirrors, both reflect different choices and outcomes in a situation.

Felicia can bring about what she wants with charm and sexuality.

Kat brings about what she wants with pain and calculated decisions.

What they put into the story is intrigue. As TD stated before, Kat is the most honest sadist and quickly capable of analyzing and securing a weak point. Felicia doesn't have to try if you look into her in Week... 3? 2? Where she knows what Edwin wants. You want her dominant, she can be that or she can sus out and mother you just like Rosalind and play to that.

Kat isn't dumb and even if she's lost a bit, she'll fight to keep what's hers. And that's the club. What she says over and over to Felicia is that you can't think it's a picnic. And she's right. But to the both of them, they have something to prove.

In a sense, it's a clash of ideals. And you know that those have to be proven or disproven with experience. Not that it doesn't have to be that way, but you don't find out until that clash in seeing what's stronger or weaker since what worked for you continues to happen.
Kat is from a wealthy and influential family, and Felicia is from a family of labourers from the rural South.

Now... just think what the Old Bitch might think of Felicia as a patron of arts and young artists.
 

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Kat was born into wealth and raised up as someone who was suppose to rule over the mass: she never had to put up with anyone, except her sister, I guess.
I don't know; Kat didn't have any real power herself, being at best "her husband's wife", and what she has now (in terms of being able to exercise some actual power) is thanks to the hand me down that was her sister's venture.
 

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I know this is not setup as a harem game. I just hope in the end, we get a throuple between the MC, Hana and Mina. I can be friends with the three Carnations, besides I already creampied all three, so if I can help them with their problems, I am fine not being in a relationship with them.
 
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