VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[ename144]

I assume you're talking about

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The reason for Mina being down at the first one is because she thought Edwin brought her upstairs to hide from the crowd so they could have some fun. She thought Edwin is afraid of the fact that their relationship status will be known publicly (to Ian specifically). Well, that's according to Edwin, at least.

The second one confuses me as well. To get it you need to kiss Mina publicly and then cheer up for Hana.

Just friends. Not FB, not GF. So when Edwin comes on stage he only 'sings', no kissing happens

Are you sure that's the case? As far as I can see by poking around with URM, Hana's line about Jerrica being over the moon only happens if Hana kissed the MC on stage. (Though in that case it will happen regardless of if Mina is involved with the MC.) If the MC sang on stage but didn't smooch Hana (i.e. if he went to see the band in Chapter 1 but didn't score with Hana in Week 3), then Hana pivots to asking Jerrica to live with her and Mina never has a chance to look forlorn.

It's entirely possible I'm missing something, but could you have mixed up where the second screenshot came from?

 

[pinuz1]

soooo...I would like to get everyone's reasoning on which Carnation that they would like to see win? My list is as follows...although Felicia is absolutely positively amazing, beautiful and magnificently sexy I'm not picking her to win because although she might have her reasons they are not good enough to make me feel sorry for her when she has everything...Veronica...although I feel very sorry for her losing her gym it just doesn't do it for me...it could be also because she's not feminine enough for me even though she is beautiful ang built well...Rosa is the woman I want to win the contest...her daughter is all that she has, her husband was a total asshole for leaving her with that debt, she's so gentle and caring( how she waits on the MC while staying at his house) and her body is perfect to me...in my lowly opinion Rosa is there because she has no other choice. I don't know what the developers have in mund going forward but although I adore Mina and Hana I would love the opportunity to be able to choose Rosa at the end. I would love to hear everyone elses opinions, choices and reasonings . Thanks

Out of the 3, I'd say Rosie deserves it more, she's definitely in the most dire situation, at least when compared to the other 2, the order would be Rosie > Veronica > Felicia. Even the game itself recognizes this multiple times, when the carnations have talked between each other Vero and Rosie will gang up on Felicia for having a dumb reason to join (even thought they don't know her real end goal) and Ronnie will downplay her own situation when she compares to Rosalind's.

But I also think that downplaying the importance of each situation, or saying "who needs it more" is nonsense, because the game itself also tells you that for each of the girls, their problem is just as big as everyone else's, each one of them is their own person, and they have a lot at stake here, via it might be their livelihood or their dream.

 

[crastock]

How do you get the last Kathleen scene? I didn't even see her in the update.

You need to choose to visit her at the end of week 2 exhibition

 

[ename144]

Are you sure that's the case? As far as I can see by poking around with URM, Hana's line about Jerrica being over the moon only happens if Hana kissed the MC on stage. (Though in that case it will happen regardless of if Mina is involved with the MC.) If the MC sang on stage but didn't smooch Hana (i.e. if he went to see the band in Chapter 1 but didn't score with Hana in Week 3), then Hana pivots to asking Jerrica to live with her and Mina never has a chance to look forlorn.

It's entirely possible I'm missing something, but could you have mixed up where the second screenshot came from?

Actually, poking around more thoroughly, I think Fapparition might be right. The dialog tracks with Hana kissing the MC, but the flag checked (w3MinaRockShowKiss) is from Mina being kissed (which has a whole bunch of separate requirements). Maybe this is checking the wrong variable?

 

[DarkLords00]

Out of the 3, I'd say Rosie deserves it more, she's definitely in the most dire situation, at least when compared to the other 2, the order would be Rosie > Veronica > Felicia. Even the game itself recognizes this multiple times, when the carnations have talked between each other Vero and Rosie will gang up on Felicia for having a dumb reason to join (even thought they don't know her real end goal) and Ronnie will downplay her own situation when she compares to Rosalind's.

But I also think that downplaying the importance of each situation, or saying "who needs it more" is nonsense, because the game itself also tells you that for each of the girls, their problem is just as big as everyone else's, each one of them is their own person, and they have a lot at stake here, via it might be their livelihood or their dream.

Rose deserves it more and it has nothing to do with her in particular, but her poor daughter will sooner or later realize and will have to come to terms with the fact that her mother has been whoring herself for money and she has to already deal with having a completely poor excuse of a man as a father. I'd rather Rose win so maybe Nora has a a slim chance of ending up like Edwin and not become another employee of the city adult entertainment industry xD

 

[bamachine]

I was a few releases behind, finally caught up. A few thoughts.

We make fun of Rose's romance novel's flowery language then this line is put out there...


...that is the same word we made fun of before.

Is it NTR, seeing MC's mom's casting video, even if the MC deletes that stuff at the end? If so, not cool for us NTR haters.

My MC(me), Mina and Hana throuple looks more promising with Mina and Hana discussing the possibility plus their kiss.

 

[capt_obviously]

soooo...I would like to get everyone's reasoning on which Carnation that they would like to see win? in my lowly opinion Rosa is there because she has no other choice. I don't know what the developers have in mund going forward but although I adore Mina and Hana I would love the opportunity to be able to choose Rosa at the end

I do think Rosie's debt is too small for her to be as desperate as portrayed. I know they gave her a line about it might as well be a million, but it's only 20 something grand. Since she is prepared to do anything, she could make that in a fairly short time as a high end escort on weekends with no need to submit to the degradatio of the carnation showcase. Certainly fast enough to keep the loan shark off her back. It should have been 10x to 200k. That's much more firmly in no other possible option.

Depending on choices, either Ian or Felicia can give Rosie 5 grand (20% of her debt) like it's nothing. Why isn't she looking to make a side deal with Felicia to drop out or throw the contest or with Ian to be a toy for a few months? 200k would make side deals based on Rosie's help a lot less possible (unless TD is leaving that possibility open?)

 

[Fapparition]

Actually, poking around more thoroughly, I think Fapparition might be right. The dialog tracks with Hana kissing the MC, but the flag checked (w3MinaRockShowKiss) is from Mina being kissed (which has a whole bunch of separate requirements). Maybe this is checking the wrong variable?

I guess that answers it.

But just to make things crystal clear. No, in this save I'm not on Hana's path, like at all

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But I'm on Mina's path

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At the show I fully focus my choices on Mina until I get the scene with her upstairs. Then we have 2 sequential choises

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with 3 possible outcomes:

1. Fuck it! => Now, lets cheer for Hana.
2. Fuck it! => Take Mina to the bar.
3. Caution, Edwin. Caution. => [no 2nd choice]

First and third choices bring Edwin to the stage, where he sings, nothing more. When we get this scene

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if Edwin was on the stage (1, 3 choices) Hana and Jerrica will comment about it

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BUT only the 1st choice adds additional dialog which starts with

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So, I assume, the additional dialog uses flags like "kissed Mina" and "went on stage" to trigger where it should uses "kissed Mina" and "kissed Hana" instead.

P.S. I see you there TD, liking the comments . It seems you have a minor bug to fix

 

[Hungnoxu]

I seriously need someone to explain what did she mean here after take her to the bar insted of going on the stage

 

[Meabe37]

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I seriously need someone to explain what did she mean here after take her to the bar insted of going on the stage

Hmm, she trying to pretend she doesn’t expect anything and it's just casual but it's obviously a "lie" because dumbdumb is already fully in love with MC.

 

[Hungnoxu]

Hmm, she trying to pretend she doesn’t expect anything and it's just casual but it's obviously a "lie" because dumbdumb is already fully in love with MC.

Damn, I love her even more

 

[ymy42]

If it weren't for Hana and Mina, would this game have produced a healthy, normal relationship?

All three contestants are very beautiful and mature women, but is it possible to have a long-term relationship with them?

One is married to a rich man, the other is a widow and a mother who is very devoted to her child, the other is in love with the gym...

Don't attack me, of course, I don't know where the game will take us...

Only Hana and Mina seem more logical than all the other women in the game... For a healthy relationship...

 

[Meiri]

If it weren't for Hana and Mina, would this game have produced a healthy, normal relationship?

All three contestants are very beautiful and mature women, but is it possible to have a long-term relationship with them?

One is married to a rich man, the other is a widow and a mother who is very devoted to her child, the other is in love with the gym...

Don't attack me, of course, I don't know where the game will take us...

Only Hana and Mina seem more logical than all the other women in the game... For a healthy relationship...

With all the baggage we are all carrying from the club, neither girl is more qualified for "healthy, normal relationship" than others maybe even our shared experiences in the club may help create the relationship in the future...
Even someone like Mina who has been outside the club for now will probably find out at some point and will be inevitably involved somehow.

 

[Ozymandias037]

If it weren't for Hana and Mina, would this game have produced a healthy, normal relationship?

Not a chance. As TD1900 mentioned several pages ago, every single character in this story is a collection of walking red flags. IMO, Mina is the only one who is even mostly normal and comparatively not fucked up in the head. I don't think there's any way these particular characters -- especially in these particular circumstances -- could ever have a prayer of a normal, healthy relationship. Not without a whole lot of therapy.

 

[Ottoeight]

The only waifu material in this game is Victoria and she is not a love interest for Edwin lol. Every other love interest has baggage. Whether it be August as a father or going behind your bros back to get his (ex) girl. All are messy. Any healthy person would of cut and run anyone associated with club.

Man, you are telling us that

- your widowed mother who is a retired pornstar ----> would be OK as a love interest, she's "waifu material",

BUUUUUT

- going behind your bro to get his ex ------> is not OK, she is not "waifu material", she's messy.


Vic is alright, Mina is messy. Your mom is ok, your bro's ex is not ok.


RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIGHT

Not a chance. As TD1900 mentioned several pages ago, every single character in this story is a collection of walking red flags. IMO, Mina is the only one who is even mostly normal and comparatively not fucked up in the head. I don't think there's any way these particular characters -- especially in these particular circumstances -- could ever have a prayer of a normal, healthy relationship. Not without a whole lot of therapy.

Some players still think that everything is going to be all right, after all, in the end.

Could you believe it?

Even someone like Mina who has been outside the club for now will probably find out at some point and will be inevitably involved somehow.

In a week? how could it possibly happen in a week?

 

[Meiri]

In a week? how could it possibly happen in a week?

Hard to say how, I just have the feeling she will find out before the story ends at least I would be surprised if by the end of Pale Carnations Mina still knew absolutely nothing about the club specially when they almost let it slide in front of her last chapter

 

[Idontplay]

Some players still think that everything is going to be all right, after all, in the end.

Could you believe it?

Why not? How the thing could be terribly wrong, in a relationship with a gold digger, whit the manipulative mother of your friend, with a prostitute, with the manipulative manager of a brothel, with the daughter of a gangster (daughter who is also stockholder of that brothel), with a girl who aspire to become a living sex toy…? Naaaa! Everything will be totally fine.

 

[Nulldev]

Most sane woman in the game is Kathleen, she is the one who looked in the mirror and accepted what she saw.
Maybe Mina will come to this with her list. You don't have to like it, but the others can't even look into the mirror.

 

[silverblue6969]

Anyone else having trouble with the mac version? C4U5 and C4U4 both have errors saying missing script file. Would be great if anyone could help sort things out.

 

[labmouseblues]

If it weren't for Hana and Mina, would this game have produced a healthy, normal relationship?

If you ascribe to modern definitions of what a "healthy, normal relationship" is, then no, none of the possible relationships would qualify.

Whether those definitions touch everyday reality in any way whatsoever...

Some players still think that everything is going to be all right, after all, in the end.

Some things have to be right in the end. This narrative have been going for four years and will continue for a couple more at this rate. You don't string people along with the promise of "a flower of romance" for that long, only to turn around and tell them they should have paid more attention because it was all just a Greek tragedy in disguise and they really should have seen the wall everyone crashes into coming from behind the cutie patootie sex freak's humongous ass.