VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

HOWEVER, Veronica has fuck all, but debt.
Can't really sell the gym, who will buy a debt ridden gym? At best it would be a scam and run, otherwise she would not make a profit or go even from what we know.
She is in so deep shit, she knows it's copium for an attempt to keep gym afloat for better days. No kid, no house/home, a faded sports glory, friends network who probably know that she burned the relationship for a gym (she might feel she burned the bridge, we don't know how badly) and quickly running out of hope for a dream, which is not that big compared to most. She is dangerously close to being a bum on the street with debts, less safety nets for her, less of a society feeling sorry for her. No wonder she feels like she is drowning, so yeah I'm leaning towards her.

Pardon me, but that is not really correct. That Veronika is a Carnation at the Club is one thing why I rank her last among the Carnations. Her real problem is not the debts, but a stubborness a mule would get green with envy!
It has been stated during the game several times that yes, her current gym is pulling her under, the situation there bad with a capital B. But it was also stated, among them Samson (the person responsible for most of her woes) himself, that Veronika could start fresh even now, with a new gym and live her dreams! Samson getting her into the Carnations game hinged from the start on her extreme stubborness. He even said so. Samson was surprised his manipulations worked so well since she could get away, but as said, he counted on her stubborness.

 

[Maccabbee]

She protects herself, and her husband (probably). No one else should expect her protection. Carnations are the mice for her cat play and for added benefits, she shows the game to rich pervert men.

Did you not play this game? She took over her sister's charity for endangered women, and uses that as a source for candidates for this shitshow.

 

[bZokko1]

Pardon me, but that is not really correct. That Veronika is a Carnation at the Club is one thing why I rank her last among the Carnations. Her real problem is not the debts, but a stubborness a mule would get green with envy!
It has been stated during the game several times that yes, her current gym is pulling her under, the situation there bad with a capital B. But it was also stated, among them Samson (the person responsible for most of her woes) himself, that Veronika could start fresh even now, with a new gym and live her dreams! Samson getting her into the Carnations game hinged from the start on her extreme stubborness. He even said so. Samson was surprised his manipulations worked so well since she could get away, but as said, he counted on her stubborness.

Stubbornness is true for all 3, all 3 could have done something else.

I understand why Rosa don't want to rock the boat for her kid, by going to the cops about it. She justifies her actions, that this is the best for the kid. Get money, no cops involved.
Going as a carnation, is an very unreliable option as far as solutions goes (go big slut competition). Her loan-shark says as much: "shit if you are going to sell yourself out, we could have just worked something out between us".

Veronika is a born competition person, so I kinda get her view on it, tough it out for short time and win.
Naive as fuck as it may be.
Also Samson says he was lucky and like to oversell himself a little bit despite orchestrating of her demise.
She got fucked over by bad contracts that rolled over and was stuck from previous owner on her own. Extra bad luck rolled around with the air con going to shit and she needed to pay an arm and leg to get it fixed since it can't be open without it.
Or maybe sabotaged, we will see.

 

[Nulldev]

Did you not play this game? She took over her sister's charity for endangered women, and uses that as a source for candidates for this shitshow.

Hm, I don't remember this part, maybe should do a new full run.
It's minor detail anyway

 

[superkakaroto]

no gallery unlocker for this version? both mods dont unlock it

 

[balboa2151]

damn...I just finished the latest version...it really pulled on my heart strings...I feel so bad for Veronica...she's such a beautiful caring soul...I can't really say how I feel about Ian's mother because I don't know if F95 would accept my vocabulary describing her...but I was once told by someone when I was younger..." what you do now will catch up to you when you're older "...anyway does anyone know how many more updates there will be until the game is complete? thanks

 

[dolfe67]

anyway does anyone know how many more updates there will be until the game is complete?

Many many more. At least another few years in the oven

 

[CrazyRabbit]

What an update ! Shed a tear for poor Vicky and of course I deleted the folder, I do hope we get to cuddle the poor woman and cuddle Grace to her grave too, in the next update.

Aside from this drama, the evening with Rose was very well done, it might make me hesitate with one more.... The LIs are so well written and amazing, I don't know which way to go honestly (I took litterally 20 min to decide whom to go in the concert...)

About Vicky, Ian just proved (if he is self-reflecting) that he is a true bro, even flawed as he is.

The concert in itself was just a load of fun, Gremlin Grace, try-the-pot Ronnie and innocent-Mina in a box, what an event

The sex scenes are still among the hottest I've ever seen, I am impressed once more

To sum up : this was damn good, this game deserves it's top spot, big kudos to TD1900 : what a masterpiece of a game, mate.

Edit : And I almost forgot to thank GIL3D too.... What a moron I am. Big thanks and kudos to you too, of course !

 

[Thor875]

Poor Vicky? Didn't you catch Donovan's interview?
The first movies that increased to gangbang with 2 men, in the last one with 3 men
and in which she was fucked to physical exhaustion, they did not scare her off, but made her so hot that she decides to voluntarily work as a poro actress.
And the end has not yet been reached, or why does Edwin suppress the last 40 minutes of the interview from his memory. He knows that she has fun with it, it
must be even worse than a gangbang.

 

[Thor875]

sorry porno actress

 

[Machete]

He knows that she has fun with it, it must be even worse than a gangbang.

That Donovan guy is depicted as being an overall decent guy, running the porn industry in a honest way. And a skilled expert lover. Why wouldn't she have enjoyed her time with him? And why would that be a bad thing? She was still a young woman with her sex drive. Her husband was dead, not dumped or cheated. I can't begin to understand what it can mean for a dude to find out the his mother had to do porn to make ends meet, but at least seeing her not been abused like a piece of meat should be somewhat reassuring.

I think MC's main struggle is the guilt arond the oedipical fascination he has for his mother's videos.

 

[Thor875]

But I wonder what role Chuck plays in the gangster movies.
If the films were made after our firefight, it may be that he brought Vicky together with August, because it is hard for me to believe that a normal housewife will find contact with gangsters. In addition, someone with a lot of influence must be there, or how can you explain your exit after 4 films. GANGSTERS with guns have a beautiful woman in their clutches, who also enjoys being fucked properly. Does she say after 4 films: So people I'll stop, see you someday?
AND THEY LET HER GO SO EASILY? Never ever

 

[Thor875]

OK, he may be a decent guy and yet he lends some of his girls to the PC.

 

[tslojr]

Why do I have this nagging feeling that Victoria is going to end up in an exhibition?

 

[Maccabbee]

OK, he may be a decent guy and yet he lends some of his girls to the PC.

August was his boss in the past, and probably a backer in his company.

 

[Biscardone]

Eh. There's a lot of things that will sink a relationship, some more logical than others.

I know people who, on paper (similar ages, education, general affability) made a great couple and didn't last. I've experienced that myself. Then I know a dude whose been shacking up with a woman and her husband for a decade and, while I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, they inexplicably seem to be carrying on just fine.

I suppose it just depends on how narrow your definition is of a "healthy" relationship. Bottom line, if it's about longevity and happiness, then I would play devil's advocate and say that the only ingredients needed are respecting personal boundaries, supporting your partner(s), and a forthright desire to work to be together. Obviously it's more complicated than that because humans be humans and we don't even understand ourselves sometimes, let alone other people. Still... questions of monogamy, ambitions, desired trajectories, past experience, kids, differences in age between adult partners, tolerance for chewing loudly... those are details. Details that make or break a relationship, but aren't the same for everyone.

I want to believe, with enough grace, you can step over baggage. Or you might trip over it and land on your big stupid face. Every relationship is a crap shoot.

I can vouch for that too. Life is a bizarre thing, and every relationship abides by its own rules. While we take pride in considering ourselves rational people, or at the very least sensible people, motivations and drives differ drastically for everyone, and the laws of chaos seem to trump all. I'll relay a couple of personal experiences, knowing all too well that they shouldn't be taken as a general norm.

1. T. and R., best friends of my parents. They were born in the 1940s, so they were far from what you'd consider a modern, emancipated couple. When they started their relationship, they soon discovered that their sexual compatibility was lousy at best; however, they decided that their relationship was far too important to them to drop it only for sexual reasons. So they seeked, and found, a new partner each to satisfy their physical needs - with the full consent of the other. They stopped seeing their lovers only when they married and had their first born. All in all, they were one of the most tight-knit couple I ever knew.
2. My friend D. He hasn't had a lot of relationships - four tops, I think, and he never married. Well, his second to last relationship lasted twelve years. What happened? According to him, routine set in and one day he simply discovered he didn't love his girlfriend anymore. His last relationship, on the flipside, lasted only a year - simply put, he had a nervous breakdown mostly due to pressure from his job, and he decided he didn't have the strength to shoulder a relationship any more. Were these the only factors at play? Who knows.
3. My friend M. He's in a relationship with his girlfriend since 2010, and while he's not married, he decided to have two children. Well, unfortunately, they were both born with mild to severe autism - he swore he ran a DNA compatibility check with his partner beforehand, but apparently fate decided to deal him a horrible hand. Well, with all the highs and lows of his relationship (frankly I don't think his girlfriend is a very nice match to him), he's still keeping on. Is this a good thing? Again, who knows.

Three different relationships, three very different ways of expressing love, and three different meanings for it.
By the way, these differences are why I think the best storytellers are people that experience life in a multitude of forms and perspectives, directly or indirectly, through empathy and sympathy.

 

[ffive]

OK, he may be a decent guy and yet he lends some of his girls to the PC.

He might be lending the girls to the club on condition that they're protected from dipshits like Warren and other sorts of abuse from the clients. Just another way for them to make some money when they aren't doing the porn flicks.

In addition, someone with a lot of influence must be there, or how can you explain your exit after 4 films. GANGSTERS with guns have a beautiful woman in their clutches, who also enjoys being fucked properly. Does she say after 4 films: So people I'll stop, see you someday?
AND THEY LET HER GO SO EASILY? Never ever

Donovan mentions that plenty of girls wash out after 1-2 movies and seemingly no one cares to chase them with guns and whatnot to keep them in business. There's so much churn in the industry no one is going to obsess over one random whore. Other than her son who discovers her movies few years down the road, apparently.

 

[Thor875]

August was his boss in the past, and probably a backer in his company.

He might be lending the girls to the club on condition that they're protected from dipshits like Warren and other sorts of abuse from the clients. Just another way for them to make some money when they aren't doing the porn flicks.


Donovan mentions that plenty of girls wash out after 1-2 movies and seemingly no one cares to chase them with guns and whatnot to keep them in business. There's so much churn in the industry no one is going to obsess over one random whore. Other than her son who discovers her movies few years down the road, apparently.

This may be true for the porn industry, but I disagree with gangsters and pimps.

 

[Thor875]

He might be lending the girls to the club on condition that they're protected from dipshits like Warren and other sorts of abuse from the clients. Just another way for them to make some money when they aren't doing the porn flicks.


Donovan mentions that plenty of girls wash out after 1-2 movies and seemingly no one cares to chase them with guns and whatnot to keep them in business. There's so much churn in the industry no one is going to obsess over one random whore. Other than her son who discovers her movies few years down the road, apparently.

This may be true for the porn industry, but I disagree with gangsters and pimps.

 

[ffive]

This may be true for the porn industry, but I disagree with gangsters and pimps.

But Victoria was doing porn flicks, not prostituting herself. There's no indication she's had any actual contact with "gangsters and pimps" other than people running wild with speculations in this thread.