VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Meiri]

In a week? how could it possibly happen in a week?

Hard to say how, I just have the feeling she will find out before the story ends at least I would be surprised if by the end of Pale Carnations Mina still knew absolutely nothing about the club specially when they almost let it slide in front of her last chapter

 

[Idontplay]

Some players still think that everything is going to be all right, after all, in the end.

Could you believe it?

Why not? How the thing could be terribly wrong, in a relationship with a gold digger, whit the manipulative mother of your friend, with a prostitute, with the manipulative manager of a brothel, with the daughter of a gangster (daughter who is also stockholder of that brothel), with a girl who aspire to become a living sex toy…? Naaaa! Everything will be totally fine.

 

[Nulldev]

Most sane woman in the game is Kathleen, she is the one who looked in the mirror and accepted what she saw.
Maybe Mina will come to this with her list. You don't have to like it, but the others can't even look into the mirror.

 

[silverblue6969]

Anyone else having trouble with the mac version? C4U5 and C4U4 both have errors saying missing script file. Would be great if anyone could help sort things out.

 

[labmouseblues]

If it weren't for Hana and Mina, would this game have produced a healthy, normal relationship?

If you ascribe to modern definitions of what a "healthy, normal relationship" is, then no, none of the possible relationships would qualify.

Whether those definitions touch everyday reality in any way whatsoever...

Some players still think that everything is going to be all right, after all, in the end.

Some things have to be right in the end. This narrative have been going for four years and will continue for a couple more at this rate. You don't string people along with the promise of "a flower of romance" for that long, only to turn around and tell them they should have paid more attention because it was all just a Greek tragedy in disguise and they really should have seen the wall everyone crashes into coming from behind the cutie patootie sex freak's humongous ass.

 

[Maccabbee]

Most sane woman in the game is Kathleen, she is the one who looked in the mirror and accepted what she saw.
Maybe Mina will come to this with her list. You don't have to like it, but the others can't even look into the mirror.

So your definition of "sane" covers a true sociopath sadist that ruins the lives of people who she's supposed to protect? She may be the least conflicted person in the game, but hardly sanest.

 

[Idontplay]

"In a world of insane people, the only sane is the insane."
So yes, Kathleen is sane, but not because she is actually sane. Because everyone is totally insane.

 

[Ottoeight]

Some things have to be right in the end. This narrative have been going for four years and will continue for a couple more at this rate. You don't string people along with the promise of "a flower of romance" for that long, only to turn around and tell them they should have paid more attention because it was all just a Greek tragedy in disguise and they really should have seen the wall everyone crashes into coming from behind the cutie patootie sex freak's humongous ass.

Well, that's why I wrote everything. Somehow, some things is not everything.

I never thought the authors promised any "flower of romance" for a single second. If it's a flower, well... it's a poisonous plant.

"In a world of insane people, the only sane is the insane."
So yes, Kathleen is sane, but not because she is actually sane. Because everyone is totally insane.

She is the most insane of all, next to Warren.

 

[labmouseblues]

I never thought the authors promised any "flower of romance" for a single second.

You could just read the About section on Patreon.

 

[Nulldev]

So your definition of "sane" covers a true sociopath sadist that ruins the lives of people who she's supposed to protect? She may be the least conflicted person in the game, but hardly sanest.

She protects herself, and her husband (probably). No one else should expect her protection. Carnations are the mice for her cat play and for added benefits, she shows the game to rich pervert men.

 

[Idontplay]

Yes, she is protecting herself. Like a cat who think to be safe in a den of wolves, just because she amuses them hunting the mice.

 

[Ottoeight]

You could just read the About section on Patreon.

Well, "perhaps" is not a promise. It's "perhaps".

 

[labmouseblues]

Well, "perhaps" is not a promise. It's "perhaps".

It's clearly framed as an alternative to immersing oneself wholly in the club's world. It's "either/or", not "either/maybe, but possibly not, except on Thursdays".

 

[Darreau91]

Man, you are telling us that

- your widowed mother who is a retired pornstar ----> would be OK as a love interest, she's "waifu material",

BUUUUUT

- going behind your bro to get his ex ------> is not OK, she is not "waifu material", she's messy.


Vic is alright, Mina is messy. Your mom is ok, your bro's ex is not ok.


RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIGHT

?

No need to insult the highly respectable porn profession on a pornsite. Vic, the queen of forbidden waifus, deserves better than that.

 

[TD1900]

If it weren't for Hana and Mina, would this game have produced a healthy, normal relationship?

All three contestants are very beautiful and mature women, but is it possible to have a long-term relationship with them?

One is married to a rich man, the other is a widow and a mother who is very devoted to her child, the other is in love with the gym...

Don't attack me, of course, I don't know where the game will take us...

Only Hana and Mina seem more logical than all the other women in the game... For a healthy relationship...

Eh. There's a lot of things that will sink a relationship, some more logical than others.

I know people who, on paper (similar ages, education, general affability) made a great couple and didn't last. I've experienced that myself. Then I know a dude whose been shacking up with a woman and her husband for a decade and, while I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, they inexplicably seem to be carrying on just fine.

I suppose it just depends on how narrow your definition is of a "healthy" relationship. Bottom line, if it's about longevity and happiness, then I would play devil's advocate and say that the only ingredients needed are respecting personal boundaries, supporting your partner(s), and a forthright desire to work to be together. Obviously it's more complicated than that because humans be humans and we don't even understand ourselves sometimes, let alone other people. Still... questions of monogamy, ambitions, desired trajectories, past experience, kids, differences in age between adult partners, tolerance for chewing loudly... those are details. Details that make or break a relationship, but aren't the same for everyone.

I want to believe, with enough grace, you can step over baggage. Or you might trip over it and land on your big stupid face. Every relationship is a crap shoot.

 

[ffive]

I do think Rosie's debt is too small for her to be as desperate as portrayed.

It's not the debt amount per se, it's that it's held by a loan shark.

I know they gave her a line about it might as well be a million, but it's only 20 something grand. Since she is prepared to do anything, she could make that in a fairly short time as a high end escort on weekends with no need to submit to the degradatio of the carnation showcase.

Oh yeah, lol, how simple. And how exactly do you imagine a frumpy single mom to become "high end escort" overnight with no connections, experience, resources and protection from people who ensure that actual high end escorts, or even regular prositutes, can work on "their" turf without a competition?

She'd have trouble working even a basic corner. Which is, incidentally, what she's very much trying to avoid with the Carnation deal. I mean, compared to prostitution in the open (no matter if high end or common) this is at least supposed to be a secret. And relatively quicker.

 

[bZokko1]

soooo...I would like to get everyone's reasoning on which Carnation that they would like to see win? My list is as follows...although Felicia is absolutely positively amazing, beautiful and magnificently sexy I'm not picking her to win because although she might have her reasons they are not good enough to make me feel sorry for her when she has everything...Veronica...although I feel very sorry for her losing her gym it just doesn't do it for me...it could be also because she's not feminine enough for me even though she is beautiful ang built well...Rosa is the woman I want to win the contest...her daughter is all that she has, her husband was a total asshole for leaving her with that debt, she's so gentle and caring( how she waits on the MC while staying at his house) and her body is perfect to me...in my lowly opinion Rosa is there because she has no other choice. I don't know what the developers have in mund going forward but although I adore Mina and Hana I would love the opportunity to be able to choose Rosa at the end. I would love to hear everyone elses opinions, choices and reasonings . Thanks

Rosa I feel has some options for social securities, even in 3world shithole like usa. Because she has a kid and home, she has more value to society and thus more social structures that is more inclined to help her out. Ofc. she is very deserving of winning... Time will tell if Edwin getting the guy wacked might even have solved the worst of her issues, or if it's the start of new ones. Perhaps me not doing her romance ever, has me missing some parts of the puzzle, but learned a lot just by being her friend.

HOWEVER, Veronica has fuck all, but debt.
Can't really sell the gym, who will buy a debt ridden gym? At best it would be a scam and run, otherwise she would not make a profit or go even from what we know.
She is in so deep shit, she knows it's copium for an attempt to keep gym afloat for better days. No kid, no house/home, a faded sports glory, friends network who probably know that she burned the relationship for a gym (she might feel she burned the bridge, we don't know how badly) and quickly running out of hope for a dream, which is not that big compared to most. She is dangerously close to being a bum on the street with debts, less safety nets for her, less of a society feeling sorry for her. No wonder she feels like she is drowning, so yeah I'm leaning towards her.

Felicia I like on personal level, but she falls short because she is just gambling on this working out and compensates with gusto. In the end, she might have overplayed her hand.

 

[dave143]

anyone has the full gallery?? lost my save

 

[Hungover00]

HOWEVER, Veronica has fuck all, but debt.
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She is dangerously close to being a bum on the street with debts, less safety nets for her, less of a society feeling sorry for her. No wonder she feels like she is drowning, so yeah I'm leaning towards her.

Veronica can declare bankruptcy and go work as a personal trainer at another gym. It's a major step down from owning your own place, but she's not about to be living on the streets.

 

[Takkatakka]

Veronica can declare bankruptcy and go work as a personal trainer at another gym. It's a major step down from owning your own place, but she's not about to be living on the streets.

I mean...technically she might, since she is living in the gym and losing that while at the same time finding an apartment while just having gone bankrupt...