VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Maccabbee]

You're boring.

ROFLMAO

It's probably as disturbing as finding out your parents are swingers, or deep into any sex scene (BDSM club scene, oh my!). It's uncomfortable but not the end of the world, as Edwin made very clear to Victoria at the end of the update.

It also wasn't a shock to Edwin, he's known for years. It was still extremely traumatic to him for her to even try and tell him. Edwin is also not a model of perfect mental/social health, either, so that still applies.

 

[balboa2151]

You have to be fuck buddies if you want the Hana/Mina

it't extremely difficult for me to have Hana as just fuck buddies because I like her a little more than Mina but I'm fucking greedy I want both of them...so I'll try that path and if it doesn't work out( if I screw up) I'll be happy with Hana...thanks for the feedback

 

[sunaboz]

OK, just to roll it up. Just imagine you are a rich and powerful man. Would you accept as equal somebody who looks like that?

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I just repeat that power is about dominance, not submission. I will leave at that.

Patrons aren't equal, there's hierarchy there.

Edwin: "...I thought that everyone was equal brothers around here."
Samson: "Ha, you thought wrong, kid! You put any two shitheads together and poof! You got a hierarchy on your hands."

Samson and that slimy teacher are at the bottom, Abel is at the very top.

There is also that ambassador who licks other's cum, how could anyone shake is hand is beyond me and yet they do it. There is no kink shaming there.

Also Kat somehow hasnt lost her respect despite this:

 

[Hungover00]

Also Kat somehow hasnt lost her respect despite this:

I think that likely proves that either respect isn't that important, or there are different types of respect, and Kathleen has types that trump her being used in public. Which both agree with your overall point, just adds nuance.

it't extremely difficult for me to have Hana as just fuck buddies because I like her a little more than Mina but I'm fucking greedy I want both of them...so I'll try that path and if it doesn't work out( if I screw up) I'll be happy with Hana...thanks for the feedback

Committing to Mina, at this point, is kinda cruel, since you'll have to lie to her. Hana can at least accept your...work duties, and be fully informed.

But, if you manage expectations of not being exclusive to either, you can get both and not have to lie extra hard? It does seem like the best path, to me.

 

[duyhung25]

anyone have save for the full gallery here ?

 

[Beduin123]

Pale Carnation story bleaks in comparison to what is happening in this thread. Almost every single person including both devs are relentlessly trying to make Beduin understand how things are. But our hero locked in his own vision, wielding the power of absolute stubbornness stands undefeated successfully protecting fragile ego, basking in ignorance.

So, wise man, try again harder to educate the stubborn and ignorant me. Just a simple answer:

How can she monetize this sort of "influence"?

But what you also fail to acknowledge is that Felicia´s plan is working unless you make her deliberately fail! Which is what you seem to have done in game to bolster your black and white views. As mentioned earlier, Felicia, as long as she is not completely losing, makes connections which will help her with her goals.

Say Felicia wins and becomes a full member of the club. It's possible that the other members wouldn't have any respect for her, as you say. She's embarked on an incredibly risky plan. It's also possible that they can find some level of grudging respect for her single-minded pursuit of her goals. If nothing else, she can simply demand respect by virtue of being an equal member of the club, and knowing all their dirty laundry.

Bottom line: she doesn't care what the club members or anyone else thinks of her, as long as she can get what she wants.

How can she monetize this sort of "connections" / "influence"?

 

[bonerland]

I think that likely proves that either respect isn't that important, or there are different types of respect, and Kathleen has types that trump her being used in public. Which both agree with your overall point, just adds nuance.

The MC in the last sex scene with Kathleen makes it point to humiliate her by screaming at her about no one respecting her.

 

[Beduin123]

That's not the context of the quote. You're asking about real life so I used that context to point out that if you ever visited Vegas in Nevada or Chicago, heck throw in Amsterdam, those are the concepts where you can see places similar for this type of cathouse.

You compare common whorehouses with the extreme BDSM club where unspoken violence is carried out? If you know of such places you probably should report it to the authorities.

So we're gonna just ignore the part where I do know that the net worth is upwards of $2,000,000, just because I don't know how much higher it is? And completely ignore the personal connection to a rich person who is really into being dominated, which is exactly what you asked for? Sure, okay. This is not a pop cultural stereotype but a close personal friend I've known for 20+ years, but whatever.

Did he earn his wealth or inherited it? That often makes difference. Also, as other people shown me there are subs among the club members. But are they respected by other club members,
And in the end it is still the same question:

How can she monetize this sort of "connections" / "influence"?

 

[Biscardone]

So, try again harder. Just a simple answer:

How can she monetize this sort of "influence"?

How can she monetize this sort of "connections" / "influence"?

Look, I don't like dogpiling, but you're stuck in circular reasoning, and the discussion is going nowhere.

In your first posts, you've made abundantly clear why you don't like Felicia joining the Carnations. You had an image of her as a seductress / man-eater... And then, you saw her in action, and that image crumbled. Now you think she's just a cheap whore. Simple as. This is fine, it's your opinion, and it is valid as anyone else's; except your perception of the narrative, characters and motivations has been poisoned. And now not only you're deconstructing the game and rebuilding it around this negative core - you're also compelled to push your opinion as an objective fact. This plot point is, and I quote, poorly written, implemented, fake, disappointing. Felicia is now an awkward insert, schizophrenic, and a waste of good character (stilll quoting). And when people (let alone the authors themselves) suggest things are not so clear cut, and possibly a litte more subtle than that, you have to explain that you know better. Cue pages and pages of discussions, and now we're just repeating the same points ad nauseam.

I'm perfectly fine with discussions and critiques of the game, that's what this thread is for. Just keep in mind you're slowly joining the ranks of the "unreasonables" - you know, the guys who think that "the game is great, but I know better than the authors, because". We had the guy who thought oral sex is submissive, all women are manipulative whores, and kissing your partner makes you taste the sperm of their ex... and the guy that thinks Kathleen's scenes are sub-par blackmail femdom bullshit. This is not a badge of honor, and it doesn't make for a compelling "me against the fanboys" story.

 

[DarkLords00]

The MC in the last sex scene with Kathleen makes it point to humiliate her by screaming at her about no one respecting her.

Harper herself said that none of the patreons respect her to Edwin if he rejects her initial offer.
And it makes sense, why would old rich sexist assholes care let alone respect a woman that is where she is due to exploiting her dead sister charity?

 

[Hungover00]

Harper herself said that none of the patreons respect her to Edwin if he rejects her initial offer.
And it makes sense, why would old rich sexist assholes care let alone respect a woman that is where she is due to exploiting her dead sister charity?

But they still deal with her because she has keys to the kingdom (control of the girls and their access to them), provides services, and has allies/partners they want something from.

Honestly, I don't think there is any real respect for other people in the whole club, above the working girls and staff (and even then it's suspect or rare). All they care about is utility. Can that person do something that benefits me? Can I insult them to their face, but still leverage my power to get them to comply? You think any of them actually like or respect anyone not them? At least not dead and not them?

They definitely are sexist assholes, but they don't have a secret true brotherhood of love and mutual respect. They have their 'jungle' where they are all predators and blah blah blah blah. You can never win true respect from them, just wariness of what they can do to you, or how they can inconvenience your plans. People that respect other human beings don't become that.