AFAIK, Felicia will always take the MC to her rooftop garden of solitude after the interview with Elias in Week 2. What changes if the MC is on her path is that she actually explains her motivations and talks about the old art school closing.Correct me if I'm wrong but he hasn't even seen Felicia's hideout where the most important scenes happen?![]()
To be fair, only Isaak and Samson were present to see Veronica go to town on Kathleen.Patrons aren't equal, there's hierarchy there.
Edwin: "...I thought that everyone was equal brothers around here."
Samson: "Ha, you thought wrong, kid! You put any two shitheads together and poof! You got a hierarchy on your hands."
Samson and that slimy teacher are at the bottom, Abel is at the very top.
There is also that ambassador who licks other's cum, how could anyone shake is hand is beyond me and yet they do it. There is no kink shaming there.
Also Kat somehow hasnt lost her respect despite this:
"Hey fellow patron, I see you're in a pissing match with [Person X]. I know a surefire way to get his goat, and I'd be happy to tell you if you just take care of a few things for me in return."How can she monetize this sort of "connections" / "influence"?
Kat was born into wealth and raised up as someone who was suppose to rule over the mass: she never had to put up with anyone, except her sister, I guess.Kat is like one of those conservative feminists who spent their whole life thinking the only way for them to have some power is to put up with the men taking the top spots, and putting up with that despite thinking themselves so much smarter and better... only to then see some young woman who "doesn't know any better" just come in and show that no, it absolutely didn't have to be that way. It's personal because it carries the possibility that it's Kat who's been the dumb one all her life.![]()
Kat is from a wealthy and influential family, and Felicia is from a family of labourers from the rural South.I disagree. More that Felicia and Kat are foils to one another. In a world of mirrors, both reflect different choices and outcomes in a situation.
Felicia can bring about what she wants with charm and sexuality.
Kat brings about what she wants with pain and calculated decisions.
What they put into the story is intrigue. As TD stated before, Kat is the most honest sadist and quickly capable of analyzing and securing a weak point. Felicia doesn't have to try if you look into her in Week... 3? 2? Where she knows what Edwin wants. You want her dominant, she can be that or she can sus out and mother you just like Rosalind and play to that.
Kat isn't dumb and even if she's lost a bit, she'll fight to keep what's hers. And that's the club. What she says over and over to Felicia is that you can't think it's a picnic. And she's right. But to the both of them, they have something to prove.
In a sense, it's a clash of ideals. And you know that those have to be proven or disproven with experience. Not that it doesn't have to be that way, but you don't find out until that clash in seeing what's stronger or weaker since what worked for you continues to happen.
I don't know; Kat didn't have any real power herself, being at best "her husband's wife", and what she has now (in terms of being able to exercise some actual power) is thanks to the hand me down that was her sister's venture.Kat was born into wealth and raised up as someone who was suppose to rule over the mass: she never had to put up with anyone, except her sister, I guess.
I use windows sandbox and works.Can this game run in sandboxie?
It crashes for me.
Kat was born into wealth and raised up as someone who was suppose to rule over the mass: she never had to put up with anyone, except her sister, I guess.
Kat is from a wealthy and influential family, and Felicia is from a family of labourers from the rural South.
Now... just think what the Old Bitch might think of Felicia as a patron of arts and young artists.
I don't know; Kat didn't have any real power herself, being at best "her husband's wife", and what she has now (in terms of being able to exercise some actual power) is thanks to the hand me down that was her sister's venture.
True, although I doubt someone like Samson (who like Jim has hots for Kat and likes to comment how sexy she is) would keep his mouth shut.(...) To be fair, only Isaak and Samson were present to see Veronica go to town on Kathleen. (...)
Half is not most and Harper is just a whore so anything she says must be taken with a grain of salt because:(...) Harper tells the MC most patrons don't respect her (...)
And to be honest dick measurement is common among the patrons and they are not equal to begin with so what Harper said seems like a platitude to me. Samson and Isaak know they're not equal while people like Abel and Chuck think they're the top dog.Harper said:She thinks the old, dead fucks of the club would take her less seriously. Truth be told, half of them don't see her as an equal to begin with..."
I do not underestimate her: the Exhibition is her toy.IMO Kathleen is underestimated by most people here. Sure, she doesn't have Chuck's or Abel's accomplishments (and who does?) but she's a top-tier manager with maxed persuasion and manipulation techniques. Also:
I've no doubt Samson would talk, but most of the patrons didn't see it themselves. I think there will always be a certain level of urban legend about the incident; Kathleen would have problems if something like that happening routinely.True, although I doubt someone like Samson (who like Jim has hots for Kat and likes to comment how sexy she is) would keep his mouth shut.
Harper may be a whore, but that's no reason to discount her opinion. As Rosalind notes, people will often feel free to talk around whores, and Dalia seems to think Harper is both a smart and professional whore. If Harp thinks half the patrons don't see Kat as an equal, I weigh that insight heavily. You are right, however, that Harper says "half" rather than "most."Half is not most and Harper is just a whore so anything she says must be taken with a grain of salt because:
a) She's not privy to most conversations / businesses Kat has.
b) Most of the disrespectful things they say about Kat they don't say to her face and they say it while they have their dicks in Harper's mouth bragging how much better they are. And to be honest dick measurement is common among the patrons and they are not equal to begin with so what Harper said seems like a platitude to me. Samson and Isaak know they're not equal while people like Abel and Chuck think they're the top dog.
I put no weight on the MC's tirade during his recent scene with Kathleen. I base my opinion on what we've seen in game and heard from sources I judge reliable. It's true that people like Samson and Jim obey Kathleen, but is that a sign they ultimately respect her, or a sign they respect Chuck (or August) and know he would take umbrage at directly defying Kat? I say it's more the latter. That doesn't mean they see Kathleen no differently than one of the house girls (there are degrees to this), just that she wouldn't be able to operate the Club - as it currently is - without the support of her partners.Sure, people like Otto might not think highly of her (then again Otto doesn't respect Chuck either), some might joke about her (Samson or Jim for example) but in the end they all shut up when she speaks during exhibition (Chuck being the exception). There is a reason why Abel cooperates with her or why Warren is most loyal to her (AFAWK) or why she's one of the co-owners of the club for as long as she is.
I guess that Edwin's comments during their BDSM sex has made almost everyone believe his words but the fact that Kathleen didn't seem fazed by them (even after she returned to her senses) suggests that they're farther from the truth than most might think.
tl;dr
IMO Kathleen is underestimated by most people here. Sure, she doesn't have Chuck's or Abel's accomplishments (and who does?) but she's a top-tier manager with maxed persuasion and manipulation techniques. Also:
"Just a middle-aged woman, over the hill... the wife of an elected official, playing with money your father made... running a charity made by your sister."
Eh... Probably most patrons there are as high as they are thanks to their parent's wealth (Chuck being one of the rare exceptions) and making a charity is nothing to be too proud of if you ask me.
While it is not completely clear at he moment, I think Abel and Sophia see Kath as 98% being useful and 2% grudging respect. We see during several scenes, esp. the home invasion, that Abel and Sophia dislike all 3 leaders of the PC club. Chuck the most, but Kath also:"She has Chuck´s nasty disposition, but none of his achievements(...) she is comparatively harmless".Abel's cooperation is different since he clearly has his own agenda that Kat is helping with, but we don't yet know if that's a sign of Abel respecting her or simply a case of her being useful to him.
I haven´t played the recent update (I´m almost done with the previous one) but I read your spoiler about Victoria and I have to ask: what is revealed about her past is even more shocking than her doing porn? Because the MC already knows she was a porn actress, so there´s something even worse about it?This update was wow. I mean we know everyone is fucked in the game someway or the other.
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Bro, why are you asking for more spoilers?I haven´t played the recent update (I´m almost done with the previous one) but I read your spoiler about Victoria and I have to ask: what is revealed about her past is even more shocking than her doing porn? Because the MC already knows she was a porn actress, so there´s something even worse about it?
I haven´t played the recent update (I´m almost done with the previous one) but I read your spoiler about Victoria and I have to ask: what is revealed about her past is even more shocking than her doing porn? Because the MC already knows she was a porn actress, so there´s something even worse about it?
Did you try it in the latest (public) version of the game? It received some bug fixes, although don't know if it included this one specifically.How do I even reject mina? The game bugs and locks me out of all progression, like is there even a way to get the scene where you change your mind with her?