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- Dec 8, 2017
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It's just one of those times where the drama supersedes what is maybe an infinitesimal lapse in judgement for the characters. The boys talking in the car would've been too restrictive choreography wise (I wanted Edwin to get in Ian's face when things got heated), plus the imagery of them sitting on the steps of their (shared) childhood home served the moment best.
- Apr 16, 2017
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I am just gonna deal with this one issue...
I mean, I know I'm a slow caveman and all but come on. Have you never heard of Las Vegas? What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas?
Escorts, Bunny Ranch, VIP, speak easy, casinos, mafia, giant casinos, cabaret, and all sorts of crazy fun for the rich, the powerful, the affluent, and almost entirely the template for the story with maybe a side dish of Chicago in it?
It's just me? Okay, going back to my cave...
Oh, I see. So we have two different Felicias in fact. One is a mindless sex-crazed masochist animal and another one is a smart calculating manipulative gold digger. Pretty much like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. May be she is even a schizophrenic?
But that's my main point here. Still, after all these discussions nobody explained to me what is her genius "plan" to get "influence". What kind of influence? Most of the club patrons would refer her as "that girl from the club (wife of unfortunate Elias Ford) that can fuck everything that moves". OK, fine!
How can she monetize this sort of influence?
Just read above. What position of power it gives her? And if she blackmails the club members why cannot she disappear like Darius, for example?
Ah, that's what it is all about? The main purpose of her life that she is ready to risk everything for?
As I said people cannot read. I think I told that here many times over and over and over and over. My problem is that I think her plan of joining the club is extremely stupid. And that is in strong disagreement with my initial image of Felicia which is that of a very clever, calculating and manipulative woman, let alone very beautiful.
Oh, if that's the case, OK. Than every game on this site is five stars because their Devs are happy with their own games
Isn't that what young Felicia did at the start of her gold digging career? Those are a kindergarten in comparison to Carnations Club.
- Jun 25, 2018
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BTW, Chuck knowing that Victoria is a whore shouldn't be a surprise if you recall Edwin's conversation with Abel:
Abel: "By the way, have you ever wondered if he knew your mother?" (...) "How many videos did she shoot? How big do you think the porn industry of Morehead Hills is?"
Which again paints Victoria as a selfish woman.
More importantly though, the reason why I say that Chuck favours Grace over Ian is this bit that you've mentioned yourself:
"When it comes to small favors, I always listen to my little sister's requests. You should pick up the phone when she calls, lad."
and this one:
"That's your mother and my sister, lad. Be more respectful."
I'm pretty certain that if Chuck thought that Ian working with his father was Grace's wish and not her husband's he would have tried to persuade Ian himself, although it's clear we see this scene differently (you see it as some gentle request, I see it as a strong suggestion).
1) Using a whore as a piece of furniture (when he was playing go - "Fine memories on the back of others' hardships").
2) Letting patrons beat whores bloody or worse (that was the case with Grenier who raped one of the house girls with a beer bottle which injured her significantly).
3) He doesn't even know whores' names (they're just whores to him).
4) He wasn't too happy when Edwin asked him to give Emma a night off. He also called her a bitch and later stopped himself from calling her a whore ("why do you give a damn about one of the wh--") even though he knew what Warren did to her.
5) He didn't give a shit about Rose and the only reason he decided to help her was because Olivier roughed him and Ian up.
6) "Charles Kohler made a fortune on war profiteering, bribery, falsification of documents, state-sanctioned smuggling."
7) His "disgusting dealings" (as said by a nazi, so it must be pretty bad) with golf instructor, bowling teacher or shuffleboard coach also suggest that Dr. Charles doesn't have any empathy towards people (other than those closest to him). He broke them permanently (we can only imagine what that might mean).
Chuck might also be a war criminal and at the very least he has no problems associating and joking with war criminals (that COO of Hoarfrost Risk Managment) so excuse me if I find it hard to believe he would even consider what Grace did as "crossing the line" when that line for Chuck is a light year further.
"Honestly, it's my nephew. Having no children of my own, I have a soft spot for Ian and he asked me to hire you."
The phone call in the prologue suggested they haven't spoken in quite a while and that formal "Sir" spoken towards Chuck also suggested that they weren't that close. Chuck liked Edwin and was his "mentor" but the fact that they haven't been in touch the moment Edwin lost contact with Ian suggests that (there's also "It's so good to see you, lad. It's been quite some time.").
So until 3 weeks ago they haven't spoken in a long, long time. Now they're starting to bond and Chuck sees how much more happy Ian became. That still doesn't mean much because they've barely started interacting with each other. Until their squash game they haven't been much closer than in high school. Also, imagine Ian asking Chuck to let Emma go earlier or to help Rose - do you think he would answer the same way as he answered Edwin?
Regardless, him liking Edwin is one thing, Grace blackmailing Vicky is another. Considering the above (points 1-7) wouldn't you agree that Chuck doesn't give a damn about her? And wouldn't you agree that he considers Grace as someone much more precious to him than Edwin? Personally I don't see how a person like this would even consider reprimanding her sister for what she did.
Abel: "By the way, have you ever wondered if he knew your mother?" (...) "How many videos did she shoot? How big do you think the porn industry of Morehead Hills is?"
Which again paints Victoria as a selfish woman.
The thing is Grace didn't "cross the line" or "messed up" as far as Chuck is concerned. So far the only "bad" thing she did was threatening Victoria that she would tell the truth about her (so it wouldn't even be slander/defamation but a simple truth), the question remains whether she would have gone through with this and tell everyone that Vicky did porn or if she was bluffing hoping that Vicky would be persuaded. This question can only be answered by TD but until proven otherwise Grace did (almost) nothing wrong.
More importantly though, the reason why I say that Chuck favours Grace over Ian is this bit that you've mentioned yourself:
"When it comes to small favors, I always listen to my little sister's requests. You should pick up the phone when she calls, lad."
and this one:
"That's your mother and my sister, lad. Be more respectful."
I'm pretty certain that if Chuck thought that Ian working with his father was Grace's wish and not her husband's he would have tried to persuade Ian himself, although it's clear we see this scene differently (you see it as some gentle request, I see it as a strong suggestion).
What makes me think that? It's really simple, Chuck is a sick fuck and he considers whores human trash (but not only whores, anyone mundane is human trash for him) and in general has no scruples. Some examples that show that:
1) Using a whore as a piece of furniture (when he was playing go - "Fine memories on the back of others' hardships").
2) Letting patrons beat whores bloody or worse (that was the case with Grenier who raped one of the house girls with a beer bottle which injured her significantly).
3) He doesn't even know whores' names (they're just whores to him).
4) He wasn't too happy when Edwin asked him to give Emma a night off. He also called her a bitch and later stopped himself from calling her a whore ("why do you give a damn about one of the wh--") even though he knew what Warren did to her.
5) He didn't give a shit about Rose and the only reason he decided to help her was because Olivier roughed him and Ian up.
6) "Charles Kohler made a fortune on war profiteering, bribery, falsification of documents, state-sanctioned smuggling."
7) His "disgusting dealings" (as said by a nazi, so it must be pretty bad) with golf instructor, bowling teacher or shuffleboard coach also suggest that Dr. Charles doesn't have any empathy towards people (other than those closest to him). He broke them permanently (we can only imagine what that might mean).
Chuck might also be a war criminal and at the very least he has no problems associating and joking with war criminals (that COO of Hoarfrost Risk Managment) so excuse me if I find it hard to believe he would even consider what Grace did as "crossing the line" when that line for Chuck is a light year further.
Why would he think that, what's your reasoning for that? Chuck creeps Victoria out and the only interactions he had with Victoria (that we know of) were of the awkward kind. And knowing that Chuck knows what Victoria did, no way in hell does he think that she was a better mother figure to Ian than his beloved sister. Chuck literally said: "you know she truly loves you right? I wish you two could get along" to which Ian replies "Maybe we could, if it wasn't for Dad." which suggests that Ian also loves her but it annoys him that she doesn't let him do what he wants (like Chuck does or Vicky).
That is somewhat true and I'll get into that but let me recall this line first:
"Honestly, it's my nephew. Having no children of my own, I have a soft spot for Ian and he asked me to hire you."
The phone call in the prologue suggested they haven't spoken in quite a while and that formal "Sir" spoken towards Chuck also suggested that they weren't that close. Chuck liked Edwin and was his "mentor" but the fact that they haven't been in touch the moment Edwin lost contact with Ian suggests that (there's also "It's so good to see you, lad. It's been quite some time.").
So until 3 weeks ago they haven't spoken in a long, long time. Now they're starting to bond and Chuck sees how much more happy Ian became. That still doesn't mean much because they've barely started interacting with each other. Until their squash game they haven't been much closer than in high school. Also, imagine Ian asking Chuck to let Emma go earlier or to help Rose - do you think he would answer the same way as he answered Edwin?
Regardless, him liking Edwin is one thing, Grace blackmailing Vicky is another. Considering the above (points 1-7) wouldn't you agree that Chuck doesn't give a damn about her? And wouldn't you agree that he considers Grace as someone much more precious to him than Edwin? Personally I don't see how a person like this would even consider reprimanding her sister for what she did.
Nowhere in the game has been stated that Chuck was Edwin's favourite teacher (the word "mentor" was used) and there was definitely no mention that Edwin was Chuck's favourite student. What was stated however is that Chuck always liked Edwin and that he was the only one of Ian's family who spoke to him warmly but the fact is they weren't that close (see my response above).
- Aug 28, 2022
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I agree with the part that her plan is stupid, at least from what we know so far. I don't know if it's a problem of the narrative, if they want to depict her plan as stupid, or there is something that I'm missing or will later get revealed. Whatever it may be, having a flawed plan doesn't completely ruin her for me.Oh, I see. So we have two different Felicias in fact. One is a mindless sex-crazed masochist animal and another one is a smart calculating manipulative gold digger. Pretty much like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. May be she is even a schizophrenic?
But that's my main point here. Still, after all these discussions nobody explained to me what is her genius "plan" to get "influence". What kind of influence? Most of the club patrons would refer her as "that girl from the club (wife of unfortunate Elias Ford) that can fuck everything that moves". OK, fine!
As for her being a "sex-crazed masochist", that's clearly not the case as I said already and someone else already mentioned Felicia is very sexually uninhibited compared to the other two Carnations, but her fantasies are really tame. She doesn't enjoy actually physical pain and humiliation, she doesn't even enjoy being insulted
He made the same point as me.
My point is that Felicia is still a clever and attractive woman that has some wierd sexual predilections but nothing too extreme. I don't see how these two aspects can't coexist in one personality. There is no dissonance, she remains pretty much the most level-headed character in the game.
That's where we diverge. I still see two different Felicias. One completely loses herself during extreme sex and has stupid hot headed "plans" that can completely ruin her life, and the other one is the successful manipulative gold digger, a succubus that has everything and everybody in her pocket.
Also it is not only her plan is stupid in its goals. She gets extremely humiliated during that and, mind you, it wasn't me who called her a masochist but another participant of this discussion. I have no my own opinion on that.
So, either she enjoys being extremely humiliated (lets forget about physical pain) or her plan has backfired from the Day 1 when she allowed Kat to put her foot on Felicia's head.
- Nov 8, 2021
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Im guessing these old perverts will be patrons of her desired school. Plus I tend to believe that part of this is a fuck you to her husband.
Like I have already said, in psychology there is a condition which explain pretty well Felicia's behaviour. It is called
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, which involves the processing of highly critical task-relevant information, with limited or no processing of secondary information that may also be important to the task. Felicia is in a state of stress since she was not able to save the only thing she really cared about (the art school in which she studied) and she was not able to do so just because she has no power on the world around her. She always relied on her husband's power, but in that circumstance her husband did not care to help her, so now she is trying to have her power, but to do that she needs connections with powerful people so she is trying to use the only weapon she has, her sexuality, in order to gain that power; in fact she asked for become member of the club. Is it a dumb and very risky plan? Yes, but a person in a condition of cognitive tunneling can't se how much dumb and risky is that plan.BINGO!
Except for the fact the school is closed, but the right people can reopen it.
- Apr 8, 2021
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So I've been following this game for a couple of years now, and decided to do a new play through for the newest update. One of the things I've always enjoyed about Pale Carnations is the writing/foreshadowing. Something fairly innocuous is mentioned or briefly shown one update, with a payoff further down the road. It's great, really. But I just noticed something at lunch before the first exhibition that I can't believe I never noticed before. For me personally, the implications of this one are huge and I can't wait to see where the devs go with this.
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- Mar 13, 2021
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I think you are 110% right.
My bet is that Chuck will simply make a phone call where he calmly tells Grace to let Ian do whatever he wants without even mentioning Victoria - only if Ian mentions him something.
Some players here are totally missing the whole scenario because people tend to vividly remember the latest update only.
As I say, everybody should play the latest update, then replay the whole game from scratch in order to put everything into the proper perspective.
We have all the time we need, after all.
As I said many times, I have a picture of two Felicias in my head. This one is a mentally unstable one. I mean, it can be that she broke down under all that pressure of an unhappy marriage after all that chase. But what a disappointment in this case.
Yep, but unlike many others I'm trying to apply simple logic
Nobody knows what she is. I suspect even the game Devs.
Yep, but unlike many others I'm trying to apply simple logic
You are not really applying logic. You are mainly applying your own values and deriding Felicia for having ones that differ from yours.As I said before, well worth ruining your life over.
Yes, she evidently thinks that the matter of saving/restoring her school is worth "ruining her life over". She doesn't seem to be repulsed by sex in the way you seem to associate it with being "dirty crazed animal", given how you use to refer to it (and her) this way repeatedly. What's exactly soooo hilarious about it?
I think predicting about this event for know is just shooting shots in the dark since we aren't aware yet of 2 major factors that I believe will influence a lot how all of this plays out.
Number 1: We don't know yet to what extent and how many details Victoria will tell Ian and Edwin about her conversation with Grace. If she just skeems over it, It's very doubtful there will be any repercussions at all since if Vicky just confesses about her past and chooses to NOT divulge Grace attempt at blackmailing/coerce her into directly infuencing Ian. There most likely will be no repercussions for either Grace or Chuck.
Number 2: Ian's reaction and mindset after said talk with Victoria. If Ian is in an introspective streak and he learns the full extent of what happened with Grace and Vicky I sincerely highly doubt he is just going to be ok with his mother and uncle and he could react in several ways. He could be crushed by the news, he could be REALLY angry for the first time with both of them or even choose to get away from his family permanently for real this time and not just him throwing a tantrum. After all, Grace herself said the last time she met with him that Ian had made clear he didn't want to be part of the family before being coerce by Chuck to reconsider. BUT, if the person who wanted to force him into embracing his mindset was also hiding that he has been mocking a woman that he himselfs see as a surrogate mother his whole childhood and might have done worse to her... I can't see Ian reconciling with that person at all, even if it IS his uncle.
Personally, I don't think Chuck REALLY cares about either Ian Grace or Edwin, he is just pretending he does. The real him is the self-serving hedonistic unapologetic horrible pervert he himself claims to be so even if Ian where to react I can't see him bothering punishing anyone since I believe he couldn't give less of a crap about that if he tried xD
You do not apply logic, but just apply your believes/values and extrapolate from there no matter what actually happens instead of only in your head. People are not "dirty crazed animals" simply because they value things/places/persons/ideals different from your own.Yep, but unlike many others I'm trying to apply simple logic
Your main problem, not only with Felicia, but some other topics we covered here is that you are seeing this all binary in black and white, no other colour tones. Unfortunately for you, there are very few people, imagined or real, who are like this!
As for her plan, it is a risky one, close to a gamble. What you either do not want to see or have not played the game as thoroughly as you claim, even Felicia in a talk with our MC acknowledges that her plan is a risk. Due to Kath´s insistent meddling a larger risk than she thought before the start.
But what you also fail to acknowledge is that Felicia´s plan is working unless you make her deliberately fail! Which is what you seem to have done in game to bolster your black and white views. As mentioned earlier, Felicia, as long as she is not completely losing, makes connections which will help her with her goals. She is actually the only Carnation who might get what she wants without winning, there are too many club members who want ammo against Elias and for their own business success.