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Personally, I don't think Chuck REALLY cares about either Ian Grace or Edwin, he is just pretending he does. The real him is the self-serving hedonistic unapologetic horrible pervert he himself claims to be so even if Ian where to react I can't see him bothering punishing anyone since I believe he couldn't give less of a crap about that if he tried xD
Chuck's gotten old, and the old, when they realise 'memento mori' applies to them too, they start thinking about legacy. And if they can turn two young men into versions of themselves, well, that means they were right. They can justify all their actions.
 

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Hi, friends. Is there anyone here who uses "URM" in this latest update and causes an error when looking for a variable? Is there a solution to solve it? Please help. Thank you.
I'm a fan or URM, but I've found it unusually buggy with Pale Carnations. It works well enough passively, but trying to monitor variables or even open up the main console tents to crash the game.
Do you guys get the known "AttributeError: 'ADVCharacter' object has no attribute '_getframe'" while looking for variables?
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Download the zip and put it in your renpy/common/ folder and overwrite the 00action_data.rpy file.

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Chuck's gotten old, and the old, when they realise 'memento mori' applies to them too, they start thinking about legacy. And if they can turn two young men into versions of themselves, well, that means they were right. They can justify all their actions.
Chuck doesn't seem a "legacy" kinda guy. Seems more a "monsters from the id" kinda guy, who's more interested in his own jollies and amusements than in anything left behind. He does seem to have an honest affection for Edwin and his nephew, so probably not as big a sociopath as others in the business.
 

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Chuck doesn't seem a "legacy" kinda guy. Seems more a "monsters from the id" kinda guy, who's more interested in his own jollies and amusements than in anything left behind. He does seem to have an honest affection for Edwin and his nephew, so probably not as big a sociopath as others in the business.
Chuck was never primarily motivated by legacy, I agree. I think it gained some importance/traction when he stopped being able to deny he was getting old, and he didn't really have anything but his empty life of debauchery. So he took his ready-packaged nephew and friend, and pulled them into his wake. If his nephew and the nice kid who wants to be a doctor embrace his lifestyle, then that 'proves' he was right all along.

But that's just my theory/analysis.
 

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Chuck was never primarily motivated by legacy, I agree. I think it gained some importance/traction when he stopped being able to deny he was getting old, and he didn't really have anything but his empty life of debauchery. So he took his ready-packaged nephew and friend, and pulled them into his wake. If his nephew and the nice kid who wants to be a doctor embrace his lifestyle, then that 'proves' he was right all along.
If that's his goal, it was a very stupid move of him to spill his secrets to her sister especially as we can see that her sister doesn't seem to embrace either his lifestyle or way of life I know that no one can see into the future but revealing damning information about a woman you know your sister has a heavy animosity towards and don't expect it to never come to light seems like something an idiot that like to "poke a bear and see what happens" would do.

Then again, pretty much everyone in this story love to make stupid choices without considering long term ramifications, it's not only relegated to old rich assholes :KEK::KEK: Edwin, Killian, Hana, Mina, all of the carnations, the whores the owners, pretty much everyone here love to push boundaries and see what they can get away with so I can totally see Chuck revealing Vicky's past to his sister just because he thought it would be funny without taking into consideration how Ian could react if he lets go of the warped worldview his uncle and family had implanted on him.
 

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If that's his goal, it was a very stupid move of him to spill his secrets to her sister especially as we can see that her sister doesn't seem to embrace either his lifestyle or way of life I know that no one can see into the future but revealing damning information about a woman you know your sister has a heavy animosity towards and don't expect it to never come to light seems like something an idiot that like to "poke a bear and see what happens" would do.

Then again, pretty much everyone in this story love to make stupid choices without considering long term ramifications, it's not only relegated to old rich assholes :KEK::KEK: Edwin, Killian, Hana, Mina, all of the carnations, the whores the owners, pretty much everyone here love to push boundaries and see what they can get away with so I can totally see Chuck revealing Vicky's past to his sister just because he thought it would be funny without taking into consideration how Ian could react if he lets go of the warped worldview his uncle and family had implanted on him.
Pretty sure he shared those secrets with Grace much earlier, and also that most of the legacy motivations are subconscious. So, I agree he likely didn't take into consideration Ian's reaction.

Plus, 'legacy' people often don't see those they choose to pass their legacy onto as people, but just extensions of themselves.
 

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Yep, but unlike many others I'm trying to apply simple logic :p

Nobody knows what she is. I suspect even the game Devs.
Well, she I agree with you that hee idea of joining the club may not be all that great... but is not illogical, even if you disagree with her or think her approach to attaining her goals is flawed.
During the events of the game Felicia appears to very emotionally intelligent and can tolerate humiliation and provocation from Kat much better than the other Carnations and this has stayed consistent so far. The idea that she is a masochist or that she is unstable, it's just... welll, you can think that, but nothing in the narrative points to this

Like for example: Whats the evidence of her enjoying humiliation? Or her being broken? Or her "losing herself" during sex?
 
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Ozymandias037

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As I said, you don't know. There is this popular culture image that some of them must be into extreme submission, but that's it.
So we're gonna just ignore the part where I do know that the net worth is upwards of $2,000,000, just because I don't know how much higher it is? And completely ignore the personal connection to a rich person who is really into being dominated, which is exactly what you asked for? Sure, okay. This is not a pop cultural stereotype but a close personal friend I've known for 20+ years, but whatever.
That's the most lame part of that. I know some people from business world and they always regard sluts (no matter how smart or stylish they are) as sluts. Not as prospective partners if that is what Felicia wants. You cannot expect to exercise influence over somebody whom you are totally submitted to.
In my view influence contains a hefty part of respect. Especially in the business world.
I had a whole thing typed out here, but decided it was more than really needed to be said. Suffice to say Felicia isn't looking for influence over club members, but rather she is seeking influence over the rest of the world through them and through the networking she assumes she will be able to accomplish as a member of the club. Either social favors, access to backroom deals and information not available to the general public, or sure, through blackmail (or at least implied blackmail), if it comes to that. I know you'll disagree with me, but I think this type of networking is still possible, for reasons I'll get into below.
You are not really applying logic. You are mainly applying your own values and deriding Felicia for having ones that differ from yours.
As I said before, this is really the crux of the issue here. You simply cannot comprehend a person who doesn't view even the most debased situation differently from the way you do. And that's fine, but it's getting in the way of your understanding of Felicia's character and goals.

The members of the club aren't all necessarily hung up in the same ways you seem to be. This is a social setting for them, a place to relax. They seek out this kind of entertainment because they're so jaded by the rest of the world that this depravity is the only thing that amuses them anymore. Or, in other cases, they're there aspirationally, hanging to the coattails of the celebrities and rich, sick fucks like Chuck and Samson. These are not normal people with normal values and normal entertainments. They have the world (or at least the city) at their feet. They're decadent Roman Senators, or de Sade's libertines.

Say Felicia wins and becomes a full member of the club. It's possible that the other members wouldn't have any respect for her, as you say. She's embarked on an incredibly risky plan. It's also possible that they can find some level of grudging respect for her single-minded pursuit of her goals. If nothing else, she can simply demand respect by virtue of being an equal member of the club, and knowing all their dirty laundry.

Bottom line: she doesn't care what the club members or anyone else thinks of her, as long as she can get what she wants.

Now. All that having been said, I believe you mentioned in your first post that started off all this discussion that you hadn't gotten all the way through the game yet. Is that still true? Because a ton of Felicia's character and motives come to light much later on, so you're really missing out if you haven't completed the content available.
 

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Pale Carnation story bleaks in comparison to what is happening in this thread. Almost every single person including both devs are relentlessly trying to make Beduin understand how things are. But our hero locked in his own vision, wielding the power of absolute stubbornness stands undefeated successfully protecting fragile ego, basking in ignorance.
Correct me if I'm wrong but he hasn't even seen Felicia's hideout where the most important scenes happen? :KEK:
 
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Isn't that what young Felicia did at the start of her gold digging career? Those are a kindergarten in comparison to Carnations Club.
That's not the context of the quote. You're asking about real life so I used that context to point out that if you ever visited Vegas in Nevada or Chicago, heck throw in Amsterdam, those are the concepts where you can see places similar for this type of cathouse.

There's certainly books on it and the sordid underbelly of mafia wrongdoings and things to partake and derive ideas from.

Hell, I resonate with the Dick Tracy and pulp fiction that runs throughout the story.

I'm just pointing out that such a look can be done in real life along with fiction.
 
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Mr Bubu has updated his walkthrough: just grab the pdf and check it - you can see all the branching in it.

Rosalind is leaving anyway, it happens no matter what. If you made the right choices, you can tell her that she can stay if she feels the need to stay and she will remember (this is a future key choice).

How many path are in the game?

First of all, you can play all the paths, if you want - playing a path doesn't lock you out of another path - until this latest update...

The game itself has, and "recognised" 5 paths until now:

- Mina's path
- Hana's path
- Felicia's path
- Rosalind's path
- Veronica's path

Early in the game, either you enter a path or you get locked out of it permanently. Once you entered a path, you can step up and change your "status" relationship with a girl - check the stats menu and see.

Kathleen has no path, so I guess the whole story is "her path": this is only an educated guess of mine.

Anyway, this latest update just introduced a new path: Mina + Hana's path.

You enter it only if and only when:

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That's it.

thank you for your detailed explanation...when at Mina's house I told her about going on the date with Hana and she mentioned a potential threesome...does Mina need to be on the lesbian path to have a Mina/Hana path or just follow your spoiler? thanks again
 
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Okay, finished my first PC playthrough, went Hana BF and stayed faithful (DAMMIT).

For the second, wanting to branch that off into Hana/Mina, so do I date Hana or be fuckbuddies for that?
 

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thank you for your detailed explanation...when at Mina's house I told her about going on the date with Hana and she mentioned a potential threesome...does Mina need to be on the lesbian path to have a Mina/Hana path or just follow your spoiler? thanks again
You can basically do the Mina/Hana path if you tell her about Hana and you have at least 3 Curious points.
 
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Game is boring
You're boring.

This update was wow. I mean we know everyone is fucked in the game someway or the other.

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It's probably as disturbing as finding out your parents are swingers, or deep into any sex scene (BDSM club scene, oh my!). It's uncomfortable but not the end of the world, as Edwin made very clear to Victoria at the end of the update.
 
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