Not exactly. I agree with those who say that Victoria is mostly motherly figure in this game and she is an older copy of Rosie in many ways. All she has done was out of necessity, rather than ambition as in case of Sophia and Felicia.
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Yes, I saw it that way too. But isn't the necessity questioned by Donovan? "Well, there´s more to this than looking good, we wouldn´t need to go any further than this today. Doesn't that imply she could have gone Mina's way, as a model or actress?
The keyword in that quote is "today". It's never going to be "just model or actress", the only question is whether it'd take a little more time to get to the porn.
I'm absolutely not claiming Victoria didn't consider that factor, quite the opposite. I'm just saying that she likely estimated it as low enough it's worth a risk, and the game essentially proved her right.
I believe any possible mentions from Chuck are long-after-the-fact development. Even then, and even if it happened earlier, neither Chuck nor Grace made their knowledge public, which again validates Victoria's possible estimation that the word of her actions wasn't very likely to get out to general public.
I mean, that was just her being lucky that the people that found out wouldn't (or in Grace's case couldn't) expose her. She still was found out anyways, in fact she got as lucky as she got almost the best scenario possible since due to Edwin finding out on his own she didn't blindsided him(and determinantly, Killian) with the news. The problem is that now she doesn't have much of a moral pillar to grandstand with her "children" since if even if she wanted to try for Edwin or Killian to quit their assiciation/job for Chuck and to not only just think about the money, she has pretty much no room to talk considering what she herself choose in the past.
I absolutely agree with you if you look at this statement alone. But here it is a reaction from Donovan to her statement that she hated beauty pageants.
You've summed up well what I was aiming for with all my questions. And as for Ian, his reaction remains to be seen. Once it sinks in and he's seen the interview?
Sure, in the same way people with 99% chance to succeed are "lucky" they didn't trip over that 1% chance to fail. Same way you are "lucky" every day not to get hit by a car when it's something entirely possible to occur and, following the logic in this thread, the mere existence of such possibility should totally prevent you from leaving your home, ever.
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I just want to say, Hana is such a fucking smokeshow. Like holy moly.
Funny you mentioned the car stuff, I almost got ran over by a car once because I was not paying attention to my surroundings and it was close enough that the poor driver almost crushed my dumbass foot xD I got REALLY lucky that the poor driver braked when he did or else I might've gotten my foot crushed. (It was just outside of my house too for a even greater layer of irony
)Also how does your comparasion work for Victoria? She choose a certain (unknown) amount of times to work for the porn industry so much so she graduated from less regulated stuff to working for a company. It wasn't a one and done deal, and every time she chose to do so she incremented her chances of her past coming to light, wether it really was out of necessity or because she ended with a strange fixiation for doing the stuff we don't fully know but from everything we got so far we can concur it was definetely a mixture of both at least.
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It's kind of funny that you call them "polar opposite" and the next sentences bring a bunch of traits that they share. I would say Felicia and Sophia are quite similar as they both agreed to be a 'trophy', willing to use their bodies,
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Victoria likely estimated the chance of bad outcome for her actions is low enough that it's worth the risk. This is the same thing people do when they choose to engage in activities which have potential, but low enough (for them) risk of things going awry.
People are complaining how Victoria wasn't thinking how her actions would potentially affect Edwin's life, but you could also say that Edwin isn't exactly thinking how his entanglement with hardcore criminals could affect Victoria, should he and his business pals have a fallout, or if some federal force instead of local police got involved. Of course, Edwin is the MC and the player's avatar so his shit can't possibly stink, but, you know.
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Sophia belongs no where in the same sentence let alone same universe as Felicia or any of the other cast outside of Warren and her puppet master. Feel sick even typing that.
Felicia has redeeming qualities, an ass, empathy, painting, real blonde hair, a lambo, tan lines, and some big ole titties. Sophia has none of those. If an edgy high school chemistry book was a humanoid, it would be Sophia. Mixed in with a little bit of Bill Cosby.
All you Sophia sympathizers are just typing turrets of gaslighting bullets into sane peoples screens and it’s disgusting.
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Now now, that's just baiting for posts with that image of Sophia with her tits (and everything else) out--
... on second thought, carry on.
Why do you assume that just because I think Victoria's not considering the consenquences of her actions stupid I wouldn't think that Edwin's choice of working at the Club without considering future consequences is stupid as well? My answer to both is yes, btw.
But let's be fair and play a bit of devil's advocate for both of them:
In Edwin's case, he only got the offer and managed to get the job due to 2 major reasons. The first one was due to nepotism since both an owner and another worker there personally knew him. The second one was because the club was in dire necessity of a last minute addition due to the "disapperance" of one of their workers so they needed an extra pair of hands (or extra dick in this case xD). It also helped that like a shark smelling blood in the water as soon as Kathy found out about Edwin's mum past she wanted him in no matter what despite her initial brief dissaproval of him after he met with her and August for the first time.
Edwin also was pretty much in the dark about the people he was working with due to again nepotism and was blindsided by that. He might have thought:" Well, my former physics mentor and my only friend work there so it can't be that shady of place right? ".
In Vicky's case, she got dealt a very bad hand in life (be it by chance, fate, god or wathever) when her husband died prematurely and having to raise a kid alone that was maybe more than a bit out there. But, she had options, as people said she could've sold the house and started over someplace else. She herself has been considering selling the house now as she told Edwin this update, in the past she convinced herself she couldn't have done that because it would've damaged him more but I believe it was more mere pride than her thinking about the ramificiations that starting over could do to her son after all he was still very young.
In the end it comes down to every players worldview and life experiences that will dictate how they feel about certain actions of each character. To you, Victorias choices where not stupid and she considered the possible risks enough, that's fair.
To me however, she didn't consider the risk/consequences that much if at all and she acted more on impulse and is now paying the price for that, that's also fair.
Anyways, this will be my final comment on the topic since I don't want to swamp the thread over a discussion in which probably neither of us is gonna change their mind on the subject. So have a good one!
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I'm starting to think that most of you here consider Victoria retarded because that's your preferred scenario over her being a dirty whore.
If they were so rare how come all the PC owners of the club know about it? I doubt that Chuck told Kat (she does her own research and Chuck explicitly told Kat to not use that fact in her games because he's family). I could buy it if these were first 4 videos only but after her Donovan flicks there's just not a chance. We're talking here about a fairly big studio, with secretary, huge office and POSTERS of the videos they've produced (so I bet that somewhere out there there is a poster of Victoria).
Let me remind you that the town they live in isn't that big so going for the only "professional" porn studio in town was either utterly stupid or selfish. Porn studios like Don's don't make videos that only a handful of perverts would see, the circulation must have been high enough that it would pay for those posters, secretaries and a huge office and allow him to make another movie.
So yeah, the mosty likely scenario was that the first Victoria-porn Edwin saw was one of Don's flicks and after that he wanted to catch them all ™.
Also, the fact that Victoria was so ashamed of this suggests that her motivation for doing it wasn't as noble as most of you think. I mean a mother saying "I let 50 strangers fuck me in every hole possible so that you could get that PS2 for Christmas" wouldn't fly with any teenager I would think.
Lowering living standards seems like not such a bad deal considering the alternative of a risk that EVERYONE at school would know that Edwin's mother did porn. With each movie she did that risk increased significantly and once she shot with Donovan it was practically assured that it will get out sooner or later (we're talking about a woman who went to a porn studio in a town she was living in).
No, it's the opposite, 99.99% chance people finding out, the only question was WHEN. She was extremely lucky (read: TD made it so even though he created such an unlikely scenario). Consider this: what where the chances that such a perv like Killian didn't stumble upon any of her videos (especially since Chuck must have had those videos in his collection)? And what where the chances HER OWN SON did while no one from his circle did? If these videos were such rare then how the fuck out of all people her own son discovered it?
If they were so rare how come all the PC owners of the club know about it? I doubt that Chuck told Kat (she does her own research and Chuck explicitly told Kat to not use that fact in her games because he's family). I could buy it if these were first 4 videos only but after her Donovan flicks there's just not a chance. We're talking here about a fairly big studio, with secretary, huge office and POSTERS of the videos they've produced (so I bet that somewhere out there there is a poster of Victoria).
Let me remind you that the town they live in isn't that big so going for the only "professional" porn studio in town was either utterly stupid or selfish. Porn studios like Don's don't make videos that only a handful of perverts would see, the circulation must have been high enough that it would pay for those posters, secretaries and a huge office and allow him to make another movie.
So yeah, the mosty likely scenario was that the first Victoria-porn Edwin saw was one of Don's flicks and after that he wanted to catch them all ™.
Also, the fact that Victoria was so ashamed of this suggests that her motivation for doing it wasn't as noble as most of you think. I mean a mother saying "I let 50 strangers fuck me in every hole possible so that you could get that PS2 for Christmas" wouldn't fly with any teenager I would think.
Lowering living standards seems like not such a bad deal considering the alternative of a risk that EVERYONE at school would know that Edwin's mother did porn. With each movie she did that risk increased significantly and once she shot with Donovan it was practically assured that it will get out sooner or later (we're talking about a woman who went to a porn studio in a town she was living in).
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I find it really amusing that you're posting that people who watch professional porn are perverts on a porn pirate site.
I've made that comment because i don't remember seeing Edwin getting criticized in this thread in such manner. Certainly not so repeatedly as it's brought up for Victoria. If you do see similarity, then we're in agreement.
Although you keep talking about Victoria "not considering the consequences of her actions" as if you still can't accept the possibility that someone could've considered those consequence and yet made the decision to go ahead. So on this part i guess we'll have to agree to disagree, if you choose to reject the point i was making as viable alternative.
And you base that number on... what, exactly? I mean, we both know it's pulled out of ass and the game itself basically contradicts this claim (because with such odds everyone would indeed know at this point... and yet they don't) but still, it's such hyperbolic exaggeration it really makes it hard to take all the ranting about it seriously.
It's a good question; maybe the game will answer it at some point.
I just want to remind that simply stumbling across the video is only part of the whole process. That person would also need to be familiar enough with Victoria to make a connection between her movie appearance with the actual person. And also be a dipshit who had nothing better to do than spread this knowledge around so both she and her son would be harassed over it.
I really doubt the Venn diagram of "people who know Victoria", "people who saw a porn movie with Victoria" and "people who would see this as something that needs to be spread around" is anywhere near a single circle.
This is extremely stupid argument. The most obvious answer would be: because they talk to each other. It'd only require one of them (be it either Chuck or August) to be already in the know, or recognize the name when Edwin was getting vetted as potential employee. And then tell the others. What makes you believe that Chuck (or August) wouldn't tell such thing their own business partners, when they're talking whether to hire her son?
"The circulation" would still be limited to where it could be seen by people who are interested in "artistic" porn, because that's what Donovan's studio is selling. I doubt this means posters on every public corner.
And srsly, going with this claim you make here how impossible something like this is to hide, if this was anywhere near accurate then basically every kid of every porn actress in RL should be getting bullied their entire life in school, because there's apparently no way that this information could ever not leak out and be maliciously acted upon, at the very least in the city where the movie was made. And/or where the actress happens to live.
Do you know this to be, in fact, the case? Are children of all porn actresses out there widely known and getting bullied by their classmates? Or maybe girls who make porn flicks all travel to the other side of the country, if not the world, in order to protect their families from getting forever smeared with public scorn, and that's why the reality doesn't match this vision..?
I mean, considering how many porn movies get made, that's a lot of children. Won't someone think of them, please.
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kathy finally revealing how LITERALLY everything that happened in the game was her keikaku all-along
