VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Wilhelms]

Exposing felicia to her husband would screw up the exhibition. Why would Kathleen do that? She might threaten, even put pressure, but she wouldn't expose any of the girls, it doesn't help the exhibition at all

By the end, Exhibition might get screwed in more than one ways.

But anyway i myself said it's highly unlikely.

 

[dolfe67]

The most irrealistic part about this game tbqh

I really do not believe a person like Ian who leads that kind of lifestyle would feel weird at all about his girlfriend watching porn, I guess one could make an argument it's due to childhood insecurites I still wouldn't buy it but that's just me

Take this forum for instance, you would think the perverts here are pretty open-minded but there is a lot of whining about lesbianism, ntr or any kink they don't like

 

[Beduin123]

I think that while she has the determination to power through this ordeal to salvage her situation, she takes no joy from it and wouldn't want to remain in this line of work longer than necessary.

I bet half of the house girls, including aforementioned Lucy don't enjoy working in the club. But that kind of job sucks in, I guess. Easy money and quite good one. For example, the new girl Nicolette. The side character's guide literally says about her: "This poor girl’s showing you what’s gonna happen to Rosalind if she doesn’t win the competition".

Rosie doesn't strike me as a particularly strong willed or very intelligent woman. She is kind and has good soul but that's it. Of all three Carnations she is the most likely to make it into the house girls and get stuck there until there is the demand for her. Even if the debt is paid, she doesn't have good job and has a child to care for. Pretty much like the MC's mom.

As I mentioned before, the least likely candidate to remain in the club after the Exhibition is Veronica. She is stubborn, determined and most importantly lesbian

 

[Kameri]

I really hope we get more scenes with Dahlia—I've rewatched that sauna scene way too many times.

 

[Maccabbee]

I bet half of the house girls, including aforementioned Lucy don't enjoy working in the club. But that kind of job sucks in, I guess. Easy money and quite good one. For example, the new girl Nicolette. The side character's guide literally says about her: "This poor girl’s showing you what’s gonna happen to Rosalind if she doesn’t win the competition".

Rosie doesn't strike me as a particularly strong willed or very intelligent woman. She is kind and has good soul but that's it. Of all three Carnations she is the most likely to make it into the house girls and get stuck there until there is the demand for her. Even if the debt is paid, she doesn't have good job and has a child to care for. Pretty much like the MC's mom.

As I mentioned before, the least likely candidate to remain in the club after the Exhibition is Veronica. She is stubborn, determined and most importantly lesbian

You're acting like any of them have choices. This is an organized crime operation backed by the government. They own all the girls, including the Carnations. Once the mob gets their hooks into most people, they can never escape.

 

[Silegy]

But that kind of job sucks in, I guess. Easy money and quite good one. Even if the debt is paid, she doesn't have good job and has a child to care for. Pretty much like the MC's mom.

Counterpoint: she doesn't need to make big money once this immediate problem is resolved. Especially in case she ends up with MC-kun. She can work at a supermarket or something.

(EDIT: My queen needs not to work at all lest she wants to, I'd be honoured to provide for her. ❤ )

As I mentioned before, the least likely candidate to remain in the club after the Exhibition is Veronica. She is stubborn, determined and most importantly lesbian

That's actually not important at all. Lots of lesbian girls do "straight" work in the sex industry.

 

[Wilhelms]

I bet half of the house girls, including aforementioned Lucy don't enjoy working in the club. But that kind of job sucks in, I guess. Easy money and quite good one. For example, the new girl Nicolette. The side character's guide literally says about her: "This poor girl’s showing you what’s gonna happen to Rosalind if she doesn’t win the competition".

Rosie doesn't strike me as a particularly strong willed or very intelligent woman. She is kind and has good soul but that's it. Of all three Carnations she is the most likely to make it into the house girls and get stuck there until there is the demand for her. Even if the debt is paid, she doesn't have good job and has a child to care for. Pretty much like the MC's mom.

As I mentioned before, the least likely candidate to remain in the club after the Exhibition is Veronica. She is stubborn, determined and most importantly lesbian

Out of all the carnations I think Rosalind is the least to continue that line of work after winning because she has a decent enough job for raising a "single" child and she's the most firm in her decisions, putting up with her husband for that much time is a proof of her firmness of decision. She's also the most "down to earth" person out of them, she only wants her debt paid.

I agree with your views on Veronica though.

Also logically developers of this game are bound to set the winning girls free after the exhibitions, they can give an optional ending where based on player decisions winning carnation can continue as a house girl (unlikely though) but they definitely can't steal the players from having the satisfaction of freeing these damsels in distress free of their misery.

 

[Beduin123]

You're acting like any of them have choices. This is an organized crime operation backed by the government. They own all the girls, including the Carnations. Once the mob gets their hooks into most people, they can never escape.

Initially I responded to a comment which implied that only those girls who like working in this industry work in the club. While I partially agree with your point, you go to another extreme suggesting that all the girls are basically slaves.

They are in fact, elite prostitutes who work there because the money is very good. Which doesn't exclude the possibility that some of them have to pay their debt, like Rosalind in the future, or bound by other circumstances.

Out of all the carnations I think Rosalind is the least to continue that line of work after winning because she has a decent enough job for raising a "single" child and she's the most firm in her decisions, putting up with her husband for that much time is a proof of her firmness of decision.

Don't forget about her debt and also the fact that she put up with her shit of a husband is a sign of her meekness, not her strength. She is one of the softest girls in the club. And her job doesn't pay that well, especially considering that she has to raise a child.

 

[ffive]

Don't forget about her debt and also the fact that she put up with her shit of a husband is a sign of her meekness, not her strength. She is one of the softest girls in the club. And her job doesn't pay that well, especially considering that she has to raise a child.

Rose has gone as far as sent her daughter away from home to hide the fact she's engaging in questionable sex work. To think she'd just casually stay as a whore at sex club, suddenly not caring about that aspect of her life anymore, is pretty much delusional.

The fact she is raising a child is especially the reason she wouldn't be okay with it. She didn't prostitute herself earlier despite her job not paying that well, it was never really a factor.

 

[Wilhelms]

Take Rosalind not leaving her husband as her doing the right thing no matter the consequences, she is a very self righteous women and that trait of her makes her do reckless things (like when she slapped Kathleen), once she gets out of her debt she's gonna bail, her continuing as house girl after winning is just someone's pure fantasy and totally out of character for someone like her.

And her job doesn't pay that well, especially considering that she has to raise a child.

When was it hinted that her job isn't enough for her child if you are just assuming it then veronicas business is a pitfal too, she can pour the money she gets from the exhibition into her business, but she could very much still be in loses because of her gym membership requirements/low memberships vs the maintenance costs and monthly bills for such a large place.

 

[Turret]

You sure Felicia even lying about being on better terms with her mother? All she said was that she contacts her 2 times a month on "phone" and she mentioned her mom never accepted her money. This is on good terms?

Considering that "I search their backgrounds thoroughly" Kathleen was convinced Felicia had no contact with her old life anymore, yes (and considering the distances involved keeping contact forthnightly is not bad, there are people living closer together who have contact only at holidays. So yes, Felicia still has good terms with her mom)! It is canon that Kathleen is very good at checking backgrounds, but she was completely blindsided here. And it is not the only case were she completely miscalculated concerning Felicia.

Another point you overlook is that while TD himself said that Felicia is not aware how tall the stakes for her are, it is also made clear by TD in the story that Feli is aware that the stakes are high. And she knows and plans for this. She has some knowledge other members of the club could use to further their own goals. If that info is half as good as Felicia thinks it is, then she WILL get what she wants, an independent influence base and money. That is not a popularity thing, but a business one.

 

[Wilhelms]

Considering that "I search their backgrounds thoroughly" Kathleen was convinced Felicia had no contact with her old life anymore, yes (and considering the distances involved keeping contact forthnightly is not bad, there are people living closer together who have contact only at holidays. So yes, Felicia still has good terms with her mom)! It is canon that Kathleen is very good at checking backgrounds, but she was completely blindsided here. And it is not the only case were she completely miscalculated concerning Felicia.

Another point you overlook is that while TD himself said that Felicia is not aware how tall the stakes for her are, it is also made clear by TD in the story that Feli is aware that the stakes are high. And she knows and plans for this. She has some knowledge other members of the club could use to further their own goals. If that info is half as good as Felicia thinks it is, then she WILL get what she wants, an independent influence base and money. That is not a popularity thing, but a business one.

I don't know where you get that she has "info" beneficial to the patrons and anyway even if she has information crucial to some patron, why she needs to get degraded to a bitch before benefiting off of sharing that Info with that particular patron/person outside the club in exchange for what she wants, clearly she wouldn't have any problem getting an appointment with them outside the club.

 

[ffive]

I don't know where you get that she has "info" beneficial to the patrons and anyway even if she has information crucial to some patron, why she needs to get degraded to a bitch before benefiting off of sharing that Info with that particular patron/person outside the club in exchange for what she wants, clearly she wouldn't have any problem getting an appointment with them outside the club.

Those people won't talk business with just a trophy wife of some clueless rich guy. Most of them won't be even interested in meeting her, because why would they? They're going to be as skeptical about her having anything that's of use to them, as you are.

To really get the ear of members of the club Felicia kind of needs to be a member of the club herself. Or, at least, that's what she believes.

(then, there's also the whole aspect of "i'm a member of secret club for powerful elites" social advancement, that can be pretty appealing in itself, if your interest is in climbing the social ladder; something Felicia is interested in)

 

[Wilhelms]

Those people won't talk business with just a trophy wife of some clueless rich guy. Most of them won't be even interested in meeting her, because why would they? They're going to be as skeptical about her having anything that's of use to them, as you are.

To really get the ear of members of the club Felicia kind of needs to be a member of the club herself. Or, at least, that's what she believes.

This is Bulshit, so Felicia joined the club as a carnation only to get an ear?

If this is the supposed in game way for her to rise, I will have to put this game into the trash category when it comes to realistic games, then I would be better off playing so called dumb harem games at least I wouldn't have to endure so much drama and a super whiney mc before getting to the end and witnessing this abomination.

She is the trophy wife of Elias ford, she has all the ears, that makes her interesting, the moment she ask for an ear she's getting one.

Edit: they will not talk business to a trophy wife but they will talk business with her when she has downgraded to a bitch, make that make sense.

Clearly we need something more substantial as reasoning for her joining the club as a carnation than this.

 

[Beduin123]

The fact she is raising a child is especially the reason she wouldn't be okay with it. She didn't prostitute herself earlier despite her job not paying that well, it was never really a factor.

Is her situation with having a child much different from Victoria's (MC's mom) situation in the past or Lucy's situation in the present? And how getting fucked by a number of strangers during the Exhibition is different from prostitution? Oh yeah, instead of getting small sums of money from each client she hopes to get one large sum of money at the end (still being fucked by many strangers in the process). Different indeed

 

[ffive]

Bulshit, so Felicia joined the club as a carnation only to get an ear?

Not only (i've added other aspect in the edit) but it's the major reason, yes.

She is the trophy wife of Elias ford, she has all the ears, that makes her interesting, the moment she ask for an ear she's getting one.

No one takes seriously a trophy wife. They're arm candy, and the expectations are they're vapid gold-diggers and only interested in what's their supposed role, i.e. looking pretty at social events to raise status of their husbands.

Edit: they will not talk business to a trophy wife but they will talk business with her when she has downgraded to a bitch, make that make sense.

You're being disingenuous here and i don't see the point, other than maybe not wanting to admit there's a logic to Felicia's actions. She isn't not going to be "downgraded to a bitch" but "elevated to a club member".

(and the whole "downgraded to a bitch" thing has been talked about earlier in the thread with Beduin123 at extensive length. Just look it up, i don't think anyone has any interest left in rehashing that)

 

[ffive]

Is her situation with having a child much different from Victoria's (MC's mom) situation in the past or Lucy's situation in the present?

We don't know the details, so it's difficult to say how their individual circumstances differ. It's however worth nothing that Lucy didn't join the club because she was lacking money. She did it because she wanted her kid admitted to prestigious school and the club could apparently provide her with this as reward for winning the contest.

Also keep in mind that even with Victoria and Lucy in the picture, that's two single moms out of how many women with poor jobs raising their kids single-handedly? It's not some automatic slide to prostitution by any stretch.

edit: Also also, if you're going to bring up Victoria then let's not forget Victoria isn't currently making porn videos. She's stopped at some point, and likely quite a long time ago. And i doubt this was because she couldn't get any further roles.

And how getting fucked by a number of strangers during the Exhibition is different from prostitution? Oh yeah, instead of getting small sums of money from each client she hopes to get one large sum of money at the end (still being fucked by many strangers in the process). Different indeed

That there is no difference is very much the point. Rose didn't prostitute herself until she was backed into the corner by loan sharks. Once this problem is resolved, why do you think she'd do the same thing she didn't do when she didn't have to (i.e. prostitution) when she no longer has to?

The only argument for that you've suggested was "it's better money" but as pointed out Rose normally didn't care about getting more money to the point of earning it with her ass.

 

[Beduin123]

When was it hinted that her job isn't enough for her child

It was told a few times that her job isn't very rewarding one. Maybe she can get by but not provide a good lifestyle for her child.

hen veronicas business is a pitfal too, she can pour the money she gets from the exhibition into her business, but she could very much still be in loses because of her gym membership requirements/low memberships vs the maintenance costs and monthly bills for such a large place.

To me it looks exactly like that.

This is Bulshit, so Felicia joined the club as a carnation only to get an ear?

That's what they keep saying in this thread I had argued against it exactly in your words, but all in vain. You are just repeating all my arguments from 2 or 3 month ago and they keep saying the same as they did then. Just drop it, that's my friendly advice. Just a waste of time.

 

[lustforsex]

 

[Beduin123]

It's however worth nothing that Lucy didn't join the club because she was lacking money. She did it because she wanted her kid admitted to prestigious school and the club could apparently provide her with this as reward for winning the contest.

I am aware of this difference and pointed at it before. Still, Rosie's situation is the most similar to that of Lucy of all the girls we know about.

Also keep in mind that even with Victoria and Lucy in the picture, that's two single moms out of how many women with poor jobs raising their kids single-handedly? It's not some automatic slide to prostitution by any stretch.

No, I don't implay that. That's what common between these three women. Being normal housewives and getting into difficult circumstances they resorted to various form of sex work. Most of the women wouldn't. So, each of them is a slut deep inside.

Once this problem is resolved, why do you think she'd do the same thing she didn't do when she didn't have to (i.e. prostitution) when she no longer has to?

Well, this is criminal organization as someone argued a bit above. She is indebted to the club. That might be even worse that the loan sharks. Lucy didn't want to work in the club as well.