VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[MAGO-DAG]

Harems are dumb. The hole to pole ratio is too damn high.
Thus spoke Zarathustra.

Not all harem games are that dumpies, but I understand your opinion especially because of the obsessive harem fans, the same goes for NTR fans...
but some harem games are made pretty well, the problem with harem genres is that most developers don't know how to do it and suddenly make the same boring plot with 5-10 girls and meaningless fucking!

Harem games also need clear plans and plots with a little difficulty, tension and competition between girls because of jealousy, and then slowly they come to terms with it and not just like that "show a bigdick with one click and all the girls are yours"

 

[prpa]

Not all harem games are that dumpies, but I understand your opinion especially because of the obsessive harem fans, the same goes for NTR fans...
but some harem games are made pretty well, the problem with harem genres is that most developers don't know how to do it and suddenly make the same boring plot with 5-10 girls and meaningless fucking!

Harem games also need clear plans and plots with a little difficulty, tension and competition between girls because of jealousy, and then slowly they come to terms with it and not just like that "show a bigdick with one click and all the girls are yours"

I'm not the biggest fan of Harem games, but I liked a few in which the Harem is on the smaller side. Like you said, it's really hard to make them even "semi-realistic", maybe in a fantasy or medieval game. That's why I prefer throuple relationships to pure Harems; while not the norm, at least they can be found in the real world, and it's easier to make them appear natural.


As for obsessive Harem fans, and I'm talking as someone who dislikes NTR, nothing makes me laugh more than when they complain about LIs already in the Harem interacting among themselves. They perceive sex between girls (with or without the MC present) as cheating and constantly complain about the MC being NTR'd.

 

[bonerland]

I'm not the biggest fan of Harem games, but I liked a few in which the Harem is on the smaller side. Like you said, it's really hard to make them even "semi-realistic", maybe in a fantasy or medieval game. That's why I prefer throuple relationships to pure Harems; while not the norm, at least they can be found in the real world, and it's easier to make them appear natural.


As for obsessive Harem fans, nothing makes me laugh more than when they complain about LI interacting among themselves. They perceive sex between girls (with or without MC present) as cheating and constantly complain about MC being NTR'd.

That’s just gals being pals.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

I'm not the biggest fan of Harem games, but I liked a few in which the Harem is on the smaller side. Like you said, it's really hard to make them even "semi-realistic", maybe in a fantasy or medieval game. That's why I prefer throuple relationships to pure Harems; while not the norm, at least they can be found in the real world, and it's easier to make them appear natural.


As for obsessive Harem fans, and I'm talking as someone who dislikes NTR, nothing makes me laugh more than when they complain about LIs already in the Harem interacting among themselves. They perceive sex between girls (with or without the MC present) as cheating and constantly complain about the MC being NTR'd.

I am also 100% not a fan of harems, I usually try to avoid things like harem/ntr discussion... I am mostly a fan of things like half corruption harem with a little vanilla mixed in.
It all depends on taste and variety.

Would say I am mostly a fan of Netori, but unfortunately such genres are underrated, sometimes I want to play a game where Mc with an antagonist nature corrupts other people's girls or wives... but I'm me, that's my taste lol

 

[Ottoeight]

Anyone else find the the body skin freckles on Sophia hot asf in that diary pic? I hope there is some on her booty too. She needs all the help she can get to round out that cake.

That's Cassandra - without Joe Shelby, this time - with Kristoff Jostad Jameson, the military contractor.

 

[Ottoeight]

Anyway...

guys, I can't see any harem tag over there next to the game title, so... the question is: why talking about it?

If you have been reading this VN in these years you should have realised since a lot of time that this story and harem are like oil and water: they just don't mix.

 

[Dactess]

They perceive sex between girls (with or without the MC present) as cheating and constantly complain about the MC being NTR'd.

Yeah NTR to me is just stealing, cheating, jealousy. But I do see some people lose it when they see 2 Li's look at each other or there is a male friend in a game lol. I mean if there is a Lesbian character straight trying to steal a LI from the mc and making moves then yeah that's NTR but that's usually not the case.

I haven't really seen anything in Pale Carnations that would suggest that to me though. I mean the hoes ain't loyal but they are hoes.

Although, I did slightly agree with Edwin during the threesome when he had that thought about Mina screaming Felicia's name... but there was an easy fix to that. And well Veronica makes me insecure so I gotta keep Mina away from her, but Hana is fine.

Anyway...

guys, I can't see any harem tag over there next to the game title, so... the question is: why talking about it?

Someone responded to a post I made and they said a harem wouldn't work in this game. Which I'd like to point out that I in no way brought a harem ending up, I was just talking about a lesbian push for Mina.

I said I agree with them and that I think harems only work in fantastical settings.

And well, the flames spread. At least I think.

 

[Maccabbee]

As Daffy Duck once said “It’s mine! Mine! All mine you understand! It’s all mine!”

 

[ZXIIDead]

That last Kath scene was absolutely... Disappointing.

All that sh1t to end up in a doggystyle from such an terrible angle, and we only got that position with her.

I was so excited to see her scene when I first saw the thumbnail in the memories, thinking we would see a missionary.... But, damn, such a waste.

 

[helo138]

That last Kath scene was absolutely... Disappointing.

All that sh1t to end up in a doggystyle from such an terrible angle, and we only got that position with her.

I was so excited to see her scene when I first saw the thumbnail in the memories, thinking we would see a missionary.... But, damn, such a waste.

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There will be more to come (in two or three updates, I guess )

 

[Darreau91]

That last Kath scene was absolutely... Disappointing.

All that sh1t to end up in a doggystyle from such an terrible angle, and we only got that position with her.

I was so excited to see her scene when I first saw the thumbnail in the memories, thinking we would see a missionary.... But, damn, such a waste.

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I’m hoping the goth outfit she wore for this scene is foreshadowing a Kathleen, Hana, and Edwin let’s make up and get on the same page 3some. Then we can get into science on which one has the better ass (Kathleen.)

 

[Silegy]

Rose (and moreso her daughter) really throw a wrench into the "pure rosey harem route".

Just pork both? Threesomes, fun for the whole family.

 

[Dactess]

Just pork both? Threesomes, fun for the whole family.

Her age makes that a hard pass lol

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

Then you're not living in the game. You depend on this job, and Kathleen is your boss. Going against her will fuck you almost as hard as not going against her.

I said I did my best to go against her, not that I don´t participate. I try to keep a balance of playing to what she wants, while never going fully into that type of character. There´s a part of me that goes "These girls sign up for this shit" and another that goes "Even if they signed up, this is going to far". I try to protect them as much as I can, I try to be their friend instead of their "handler" or whatever it is. If in the end that fucks my relation with her, then so be it. So far, she´s pleased with I´m doing while wishing I went deeper into the role, which is perfectly fine by me.

Yeah I see that part as a job and a way to put me in Edwins shoes. Experience the conflict of having to work there or whatever. How much can I (as Edwin) take or stomach. How much will it effect the relationships Ive tried to have Edwin build with the carnations and what not. Like it adds that conflict to the game, that drama. So I dislike the exhibitions because they aren't for me, but I like that they add that dynamic to the story, If you get what I mean.

I'm sure week 3 will be hard to do if you are trying to keep the job and friendships. Maybe. Someone is gonna get upset.

Don´t get me wrong, I love the plot aspect that the exhibition adds and how to balance a job where everyone who has a position of power is an asshole at best. That said, what happens during the exhibitions is really not for me. I don´t mind kinky shit, but that is different for me.

I´m sure week 3 will be hell to balance, but if the choice is between the girls or Kathleen...the choice is pretty simple for me (unless the devs add some crazy consequence, then I might think about it a bit more).

 

[Silegy]

Her age makes that a hard pass lol

You oughtta be more flexible, mate.

 

[TD1900]

I was so excited to see her scene when I first saw the thumbnail in the memories, thinking we would see a missionary....

I sympathize with wanting a longer scene, but you listing missionary of all things was kinda funny.

 

[Takkatakka]

I sympathize with wanting a longer scene, but you listing missionary of all things was kinda funny.

Better include a missionary in the a scene in the next update!

 

[helo138]

I sympathize with wanting a longer scene, but you listing missionary of all things was kinda funny.

Maybe you could set up a list of extended scenes for a remaster at some point. Some of them would deserve a few renders or animations more.
Though I wouldn´t recommend to let us vote on it, since my favorite scenes would probably end up being the least popular.

 

[ZXIIDead]

I sympathize with wanting a longer scene, but you listing missionary of all things was kinda funny.

I like it when we get to see girls from the front, specially reverse cowgirl (something like the first hana scene, or the last rosie scene). Also, what's the point of fcking a milf, if she's going to use ponytails (idk the proper name of that fcking hairstyle) like a teenager? lol

 

[TD1900]

Also, what's the point of fcking a milf, if she's going to use ponytails (idk the proper name of that fcking hairstyle) like a teenager? lol

Because it makes her look silly. The contrast between that and her usual appearance is degrading.