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I'm impressed with the number of scenes in this update.
1 with Mina, 2 with Hana, 1 with Lucy, 1 with Sophia, another with Allison that I haven't unlocked yet.
Plus the side scenes and the orgy.
I feel bad for Felicia though. I hope she gets her game face on and pulls this off.
I have Rose off the hook with the loan shark. I haven't figured out how to help Veronica yet. I'm hoping to figure out how to nail Samson.
1 with Mina, 2 with Hana, 1 with Lucy, 1 with Sophia, another with Allison that I haven't unlocked yet.
Plus the side scenes and the orgy.
I feel bad for Felicia though. I hope she gets her game face on and pulls this off.
I have Rose off the hook with the loan shark. I haven't figured out how to help Veronica yet. I'm hoping to figure out how to nail Samson.
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I don't think Rose is off the hook yet. We just removed the middleman, and now she's indebted to the club. I'm not sure if that's going to be much better, especially with how unhinged Kathleen is becoming.
Hi sunaboz and all!
For the continuation of my answer I quote myself first so everything is in one post now.
"I wanted to answer you with a post on this topic alone. I agree with you that I am curious as well where TD is aiming for with how Sophia was shown in the update. I do not think she is unhinged, remember what I theorised on black ops stuff? I postulate for now a personality imprint made on her to make sure she acts in certain situations without hesitating. We are talking about dark sh... from the secret services/black ops sphere.
I think her being groomed to be Abel´s successor is unmantling the work done on Sophia. For her to be a successful follow-up on Abel she needs to be herself and this will clash with and modify/erase whatever imprint(s) she received which do not fit her general personality. I think Abel is aware of this and let it run it´s course. It might be one reason the two doctors plopped into the club now. Abel knows that his unquestioning, unfailing right hand won´t be like this for all that much longer.
I am a bit sad that I misinterpreted Abel so far. I thought him being the well known humanitarian, he was working against the club knowing it needed getting the hands somewhat dirty considering the influence the club has. While it still could be the truth, Abel is also trying to win and profit over Chuck no matter what it takes. While it still is a noble goal seeing what Kath and Chuck´s brainchild, the VIP club, represents, it shows a darker Abel than we knew before. Still, if we want to bring down Kath and Chuck, we´ll need the help from van Doren too.
I too think that Sophia spoke the truth about hating Chuck, Abel and most of the VIP club members. Going by the fact that she remembers good times fondly and van Doren sometimes shows genuine fondness for Sophia, I theorise Abel rescued (and doted on) young Sophia from whatever place or situation she came from. Growing up with him and seeing the Good he did, she certainly came to some hero worship. She probably even volunteered to help bring down Chuck and his diabolical club, not knowing how far Abel would go to reach that goal.
Sophia certainly did not think it would be and come like this, with the special training she received and the mental work done on her.
I doubt the "glitch" in the club stairway was one, unlike some other times. Sophia went to apologise to Edwin on her own, without informing Abel. To cover it up, she played up something that Abel would have seen occationally, when Sophia and her imprints were at odds.
I theorise that the "Club bar, 'flat invader' Sophia" is closest to the core of her, an amoral, eccentric, calculating, nerdy genius. We see this in how she reacts to our laughing, when she is slightly despodent that her best joke failed and she now succeeded without even trying to. The talks our hero and she had, when she in a throwaway style hints towards some deeper things and events, like her thinking of herself as an effect/enabler. Now we know why, because to an extend this is the case.
The mental work and training done on Sophia ensure that she is capable of things she is not necessarily proud of. Kath most probably does not know about this, but her sadist´s instincts recognise the possible danger Sophia represents. It would not surprise me if Sophia got "Hitman" training.
On an intellectual, military level I see the logic, the cold calculus of war behind what Abel did to Sophia, to be and act in the lion´s den successfully until they take them down, needs both skills and mental fortitude to a degree which do not come by easy. And Kath, Chuck and their closest followers HAVE TO FALL no matter what.
But what was done to Sophia is abhorrent, even if meant for "the greater good". Because even if the imprints are removed afterwards, Sophia will keep her memories of what she and others did. In addition, part of the mental work will stay in cases it fits her core persona.
Abel and Sophia might succeed at taking down Kath and Chuck, doing the world a boon, but at what cost to themselves?
For the continuation of my answer I quote myself first so everything is in one post now.
"I wanted to answer you with a post on this topic alone. I agree with you that I am curious as well where TD is aiming for with how Sophia was shown in the update. I do not think she is unhinged, remember what I theorised on black ops stuff? I postulate for now a personality imprint made on her to make sure she acts in certain situations without hesitating. We are talking about dark sh... from the secret services/black ops sphere.I think her being groomed to be Abel´s successor is unmantling the work done on Sophia. For her to be a successful follow-up on Abel she needs to be herself and this will clash with and modify/erase whatever imprint(s) she received which do not fit her general personality. I think Abel is aware of this and let it run it´s course. It might be one reason the two doctors plopped into the club now. Abel knows that his unquestioning, unfailing right hand won´t be like this for all that much longer.
I am a bit sad that I misinterpreted Abel so far. I thought him being the well known humanitarian, he was working against the club knowing it needed getting the hands somewhat dirty considering the influence the club has. While it still could be the truth, Abel is also trying to win and profit over Chuck no matter what it takes. While it still is a noble goal seeing what Kath and Chuck´s brainchild, the VIP club, represents, it shows a darker Abel than we knew before. Still, if we want to bring down Kath and Chuck, we´ll need the help from van Doren too.
I too think that Sophia spoke the truth about hating Chuck, Abel and most of the VIP club members. Going by the fact that she remembers good times fondly and van Doren sometimes shows genuine fondness for Sophia, I theorise Abel rescued (and doted on) young Sophia from whatever place or situation she came from. Growing up with him and seeing the Good he did, she certainly came to some hero worship. She probably even volunteered to help bring down Chuck and his diabolical club, not knowing how far Abel would go to reach that goal.
Sophia certainly did not think it would be and come like this, with the special training she received and the mental work done on her.
I doubt the "glitch" in the club stairway was one, unlike some other times. Sophia went to apologise to Edwin on her own, without informing Abel. To cover it up, she played up something that Abel would have seen occationally, when Sophia and her imprints were at odds.
I theorise that the "Club bar, 'flat invader' Sophia" is closest to the core of her, an amoral, eccentric, calculating, nerdy genius. We see this in how she reacts to our laughing, when she is slightly despodent that her best joke failed and she now succeeded without even trying to. The talks our hero and she had, when she in a throwaway style hints towards some deeper things and events, like her thinking of herself as an effect/enabler. Now we know why, because to an extend this is the case.
The mental work and training done on Sophia ensure that she is capable of things she is not necessarily proud of. Kath most probably does not know about this, but her sadist´s instincts recognise the possible danger Sophia represents. It would not surprise me if Sophia got "Hitman" training.
On an intellectual, military level I see the logic, the cold calculus of war behind what Abel did to Sophia, to be and act in the lion´s den successfully until they take them down, needs both skills and mental fortitude to a degree which do not come by easy. And Kath, Chuck and their closest followers HAVE TO FALL no matter what.
But what was done to Sophia is abhorrent, even if meant for "the greater good". Because even if the imprints are removed afterwards, Sophia will keep her memories of what she and others did. In addition, part of the mental work will stay in cases it fits her core persona.
Abel and Sophia might succeed at taking down Kath and Chuck, doing the world a boon, but at what cost to themselves?
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Victoria scene you are all excited about was partially available after unren on previous update
This is so important, not!
BTW the update is out, you can play the partial version of the full one.... select wise!
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Finally we have the time to be with sophia, but I just want to say it is a bit short compare to allison's scene, a little disappointed about that, hope we can have a second round asap.
And for sophia's weird behavior, my guess is that she is either in hypnosis stage or having multiple personality.
And for sophia's weird behavior, my guess is that she is either in hypnosis stage or having multiple personality.
In my play through I took the $5000 from Felicia and paid up Rose's debt. then when the thug came back talked to Chuck and he sent the police chief after the thugs operation. They were arrested and some of the gang were killed. As far as I can tell she is home free from the debt. I think she will be ok win or lose.
do you mean the orgy scene or there another scene with Allison I missed.Finally we have the time to be with sophia, but I just want to say it is a bit short compare to allison's scene, a little disappointed about that, hope we can have a second round asap.
And for sophia's weird behavior, my guess is that she is either in hypnosis stage or having multiple personality.
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The scene might be longer, but your choice will have repercusions in the future. Allison represents the dark path, Sophia the grey one and not participating at all the white path.
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Is this your guessing or there are flags set in different path? As both the mod and walkthrough are not updated yet.
Guessing with some hints from WoG. Not participating is the "white" path, so Allison and Sophia represent other paths Edwin can take. Sophia is clearly not the dark path, if you play her scene and read it, this becomes obvious, so she is the grey route. And Allison clearly represents the club and everything wrong with it.
All paths lead to white.
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The only sob story is Rosie’s, since it involves violence toward her and potentially her daughter. In the worst case, Veronica can start over in the future, and come on, it’s art school, not an emergency room
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What I find interesting is that if we do take drugs, Sophia looks at us less favourable (Sophia rapport -2). I'm guessing it's because we were so angry about being drugged before (with aphrodisiac made by her, probably a lot safer than cocaine) but now we're doing coke. Or it might have to do with the fact that we're snorting coke off of Allison's ass and not hers :]. Anyway, I love details like these and TD wasn't kidding when he said that almost every decision we make is flagged.
Let's look at this whole bizarre scene again:
Yeah, WTF indeed. My first thought here (until "I think" line) was that Sophia lied about Abel knowing and for some reason Edwin didn't take the hint even though at other times he could easily read a situation (a bit inconsistent if you ask me but I can forgive TD for this ;P). Then Edwin could perfectly read Sophia (this is a theme, sometimes Edwin feels like an all-knowing narrator when we read his thoughts and observations) and tell she was scared. So yeah, it seems she was somehow trained/conditioned but I fail to see why visiting Edwin would be something Abel would forbid and why would Sophia want to keep it a secret or Abel make her forget about it.
Either way it will probably be hard for me to buy the explanation of this scene but maybe TD will positively surprise me (as he often does).
I don't think that what was happening in the Vault had happened to Sophia, although I guess it is plausible. I won't buy any hypnosis (which finger snap points to) or multiple personality disorder trope either (which "where did that succubus go?" -> "She only comes out when she needs to" points to). She might as well have a twin if we're going down that road, that could lead to an enjoyable sex scene at least. I'm still hoping TD will make all of this in a way I'll buy it but even if not I'm sure it will at least be fun.
Let's look at this whole bizarre scene again:
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Either way it will probably be hard for me to buy the explanation of this scene but maybe TD will positively surprise me (as he often does).
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If Allison is not a plant appointed by Kathleen to drive a wedge between Edwin/Hana and Felicia/Elias I'll eat my * shoe.
She's a viper, called into the club to poison relationships (even further).
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