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FREAKING HELL.
nice chapter, for real.
So we really are in hell week now, and still, i really love how everything has going until now, in my game play i have tried to be neutral, half bastard, half lawful, and right now i feel glad i am playing like this, i love how Victoria resolution is bittersweet, but still good, i LOVE Ian in this update, call me weird but he is one of the two MVP here, the other one is Elias, Excelent writing TD, i understand how Elias really is with this update, he has become one o my favorite characters (writed wise) in the game, and it makes Felicia even better.
Still 5 min of Veronica were enough to still have her as my #1.
Hana time was so short in this it pains me but she is really changing, right? And God, i havent been as scare of Kathleen as i was in this update, i understimate the power of the club, completely, i though naively that Elias was powerful, but hell, how wrong i was.
Damn, i want to do another gameplay before i do a real review but, this update has put this game as my #1 actually
nice chapter, for real.
So we really are in hell week now, and still, i really love how everything has going until now, in my game play i have tried to be neutral, half bastard, half lawful, and right now i feel glad i am playing like this, i love how Victoria resolution is bittersweet, but still good, i LOVE Ian in this update, call me weird but he is one of the two MVP here, the other one is Elias, Excelent writing TD, i understand how Elias really is with this update, he has become one o my favorite characters (writed wise) in the game, and it makes Felicia even better.
Still 5 min of Veronica were enough to still have her as my #1.
Hana time was so short in this it pains me but she is really changing, right? And God, i havent been as scare of Kathleen as i was in this update, i understimate the power of the club, completely, i though naively that Elias was powerful, but hell, how wrong i was.
Damn, i want to do another gameplay before i do a real review but, this update has put this game as my #1 actually
Hi!I wasn't sure about listening to the phone call, but kept it cause figured it wound't damage the chances to get her scene hehe.
Yeah when you make fun of Elias, asking if he's afraid of the other dude that I can't recall the name she smiles
The only thing I was sure you have to do to get her scene is "rejecting" Sophia, cause that's mutually exclusive.
While the Allison scene is nicely done and I like it both from an art and story point of view, it also shows us that the game is going into crunch time with the number of mutually exclusive scenes rising. And with reason here! The option we chose in the orgy gets logged into the story and will influence what happens to our Edwins.
The orgy choices are 3 disctinct paths to take. Chosing Allison is pro PC Club as it is now, deviancy, excess, selfishness, the "dark" path. It is about Edwin embracing selfishness, becoming a felow as... for the VIP members.
Chosing Sophia is against the Club as it is now, against the evil that are Kath and Chuck, against the total excess the VIP members show, for change in the club, pro ends justify the means, setting a sexual counterpoint, for improving and enjoying the world. It is very clearly the "grey" path.
And the "white" path is not participating at all. It is a choice against the club in all forms it could take, against the diabolical leadership of Chuck and Kath
I would like to hear and discuss your thoughts about how you think the main storyline(s) will go on. We have seen nd learned quite a bit new stuff with this update.
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I wouldn't agree with you on the 3 paths, I mean there's some logic to it, but Allison to me doesn't seem more Dark or Selfish, you're not forcing yourself into her or something, and she doesn't seem more or less the embodiment of the clubs deviances than Sophia to me.
I like them both, but from what we know of both, Allison seems a more "normal" person to me than Sophia (sorry Turret
), I mean you don't have to indulge in Drugs to get any of the scenes, but one of the girls is linked to them and the other as far as we know can be there for the same reasons as our 3 current carnations (being a past one herself) so a less Dark path to me than Sophia that is linked to drug experimentation and testing weird drugs stuff. Really not seeing choosing Sophia being a choice against the club.IMO we don't really know if Sophia is as evil as someone as Kathleen, but she seems a very cold and uncaring person most of the times.
With all that said I chose Allison just cause I find her more hot, it seems just like Elias I too have a type, I like Felicia a lot and Allison reminds me of her physically
Curios if Allison will be important for the future of the story or if she even be relevant to it (she might be a potencial clue for we to get to know more about Darius though) Sophia will be very important as confirmed by the game creators, but I'm not so sure as you that she's not linked to the "bad" stuff that might happen in the future.
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dolfe67
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I think it's a bit simplistic to view the sophia "path" as a "white" path, even if the end justifies the means. And I don't subscribe to the theory that Van Doren and she are there to destroy the club. What's the end goal, calling the cops, informing journalists to shut down the club and imprison the members? They are also themselves experimenting with drugs.
Van Doren and Sophie are plotting to destroy the club? Considering their role in the club and who is involved in it, this would bring the concept of "let Samson die with all the Philistines" to a totally new level.
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The way I see it, that roam session doesn’t just highlight Elias and Allison’s characters it’s more about showing Edwin’s growth. You can really see how he’s changed from his first day in the club to now, stepping into a more confident and active role. His interactions with Allison show that his charisma and energy alone are enough to charm not just a superstar, but a carnation queen, without needing any sort of leverage.
It also emphasizes how Edwin has become an active player in the club rather than just a background spectator or prop. He’s now seen as a dependable figure both Harper and the house girls view him positively if he did help Emma
As for his cooperation with the club, I think it’s inevitable when dealing with organized crime whether it’s the mafia, drug dealers, or street gangs. No matter how principled or moral Edwin tries to be, he’s bound to be influenced by that environment. The real paragon or renegade factor here isn’t about whether he resist the club or not, but rather what kind of middle management figure he turns into with how he handles situations like Lucy’s or Felicia’s surprise.
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Still biting the bullet and waiting for the public release...
that's... difficult, you know
that's... difficult, you know
Hi dolfe67!
You might have misread my post, I said there that Sophia is clearly the "grey" path. Also Abel and Sophia oppose the Club as it currently is. The club itself is "whatever", their end goal is to destroy the leadership, esp. Chuck. If the club itself survives, that is not important to them, from current knowledge.
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I wouldn't agree with you on the 3 paths, I mean there's some logic to it, but Allison to me doesn't seem more Dark or Selfish, you're not forcing yourself into her or something, and she doesn't seem more or less the embodiment of the clubs deviances than Sophia to me.
I like them both, but from what we know of both, Allison seems a more "normal" person to me than Sophia (sorry Turret
IMO we don't really know if Sophia is as evil as someone as Kathleen, but she seems a very cold and uncaring person most of the times.
With all that said I chose Allison just cause I find her more hot, it seems just like Elias I too have a type, I like Felicia a lot and Allison reminds me of her physically
Curios if Allison will be important for the future of the story or if she even be relevant to it (she might be a potencial clue for we to get to know more about Darius though) Sophia will be very important as confirmed by the game creators, but I'm not so sure as you that she's not linked to the "bad" stuff that might happen in the future.
Allison was called in by Kath ro throw a wrench into the relations between Elias/Felicia and/or Edwin/Hana. And while Allison as a single person is not the total embodiment of the Club, her personality shows what you need to thrive among the deviant VIP members. We can learn that Allison won by constantly lying and denigrating others and even then, her victory was mainly ensured because a movie star indebted to you is more useful than some average person with money problems.
Chosing Allison and becoming part of the orgy is very much the dark path, less because of her specifically, but by accepting everything that comes with participating in that orgy. You have to remember that more normal VIP members like Mihir, Erik or Vincenzo are absent.
Sophia is the grey path. While she enables and supplies her sex drug (the "Anden Snow" was already there before Sophia arrived in the blue room, you can see it during free roam), she uses the despised VIP members to observe what her inventions do. She admits as much to an Edwin she likes. When asked about her supplying her sex drug, if she despises the VIP members and what they do, she answers that they would find ways to behave like animals and wallow in their deviancy even without her invention. Why not profit from it ("with willing labrats") and additionally observe to see what can be improved? That is very much the grey path. Sophia was amoral from the start.
Guys when i try to play this game on joiplay it force closes any idea why and how to fix it?
The scene of getting involved with Allison concludes with Edwin explicitly, repeatedly going "I love Carnations Club" in his head. He basically gets fully on board with the concept of perks being the middle manager in the illegal sex venture gets him --as embodied by getting to bang a prominent actress-- and relishes it rather than feel all hesitant about the exploitative nature of it, the way he's at the start.
Sophia is more of a middle ground, in the sense both she and potentially Edwin look down on the animalistic debauchery of it all. Even if, as Edwin notes, they succumb to it to some degree themselves.
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That's actually a great point, still that's kinda true for every sexual action Edwin does at the club right? So the white path Edwin wouldn't partake in any sexual thing that the club offer including during the exhibitions, he would always let Ian handle that part, and maybe that's possible?
Still I really don't like binary morality systems, they too strict, I can see a good person Edwin fall for the lust in the orgy for any of the 2 girls without thinking about the consequences or ramifications it will bring in the future.
Still I appreciate your and Turrets points, just not fully agree in this case.
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So I reached the orgy scene (unless there is another one I don´t about yet) and...nothing. No Sophia, no Allison, my guy just stood (in this case sat in a chair) and watched a bunch of old fucks have their way with those poor women.
What choices did I have to choose to be able to choose something during the orgy?
What choices did I have to choose to be able to choose something during the orgy?
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We discussed this here: https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-6-ea-mutt-jeff.50281/post-18308078
Hope it helps!
Edit:The discussion is mostly about Allison, but for Sophia should be related to accepting her apologies if I had to guess
Hi!
The option to be with Allison or Sophia during the orgy depends on you actions before. Sophia only shows up if she likes you. So during your encounters with her before you need to get brownie points. e.g. chosing Sophia during the visit to the blue room with Kath and Sophia. Not insulting her, accepting her apology, should be self-explaining. If you have enough points with her, Sophia will show up at your chair and start a conversation. When you need to choose an action, follow her.
Btw. never take drugs like the coke during the the orgy, Sophia dislikes drug use with stuff not made by her. (Also dislikes abuses of her own inventions)
Discrepancy already posted help points for Alli
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