VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

I think it's a bit simplistic to view the sophia "path" as a "white" path, even if the end justifies the means. And I don't subscribe to the theory that Van Doren and she are there to destroy the club. What's the end goal, calling the cops, informing journalists to shut down the club and imprison the members? They are also themselves experimenting with drugs.

Hi dolfe67!
You might have misread my post, I said there that Sophia is clearly the "grey" path. Also Abel and Sophia oppose the Club as it currently is. The club itself is "whatever", their end goal is to destroy the leadership, esp. Chuck. If the club itself survives, that is not important to them, from current knowledge.

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I wouldn't agree with you on the 3 paths, I mean there's some logic to it, but Allison to me doesn't seem more Dark or Selfish, you're not forcing yourself into her or something, and she doesn't seem more or less the embodiment of the clubs deviances than Sophia to me.
I like them both, but from what we know of both, Allison seems a more "normal" person to me than Sophia (sorry Turret), I mean you don't have to indulge in Drugs to get any of the scenes, but one of the girls is linked to them and the other as far as we know can be there for the same reasons as our 3 current carnations (being a past one herself) so a less Dark path to me than Sophia that is linked to drug experimentation and testing weird drugs stuff. Really not seeing choosing Sophia being a choice against the club.
IMO we don't really know if Sophia is as evil as someone as Kathleen, but she seems a very cold and uncaring person most of the times.
With all that said I chose Allison just cause I find her more hot, it seems just like Elias I too have a type, I like Felicia a lot and Allison reminds me of her physically
Curios if Allison will be important for the future of the story or if she even be relevant to it (she might be a potencial clue for we to get to know more about Darius though) Sophia will be very important as confirmed by the game creators, but I'm not so sure as you that she's not linked to the "bad" stuff that might happen in the future.

Hi Discrepancy!
Allison was called in by Kath ro throw a wrench into the relations between Elias/Felicia and/or Edwin/Hana. And while Allison as a single person is not the total embodiment of the Club, her personality shows what you need to thrive among the deviant VIP members. We can learn that Allison won by constantly lying and denigrating others and even then, her victory was mainly ensured because a movie star indebted to you is more useful than some average person with money problems.
Chosing Allison and becoming part of the orgy is very much the dark path, less because of her specifically, but by accepting everything that comes with participating in that orgy. You have to remember that more normal VIP members like Mihir, Erik or Vincenzo are absent.

Sophia is the grey path. While she enables and supplies her sex drug (the "Anden Snow" was already there before Sophia arrived in the blue room, you can see it during free roam), she uses the despised VIP members to observe what her inventions do. She admits as much to an Edwin she likes. When asked about her supplying her sex drug, if she despises the VIP members and what they do, she answers that they would find ways to behave like animals and wallow in their deviancy even without her invention. Why not profit from it ("with willing labrats") and additionally observe to see what can be improved? That is very much the grey path. Sophia was amoral from the start.

 

[rzkr]

Guys when i try to play this game on joiplay it force closes any idea why and how to fix it?

 

[ffive]

I mean there's some logic to it, but Allison to me doesn't seem more Dark or Selfish, you're not forcing yourself into her or something, and she doesn't seem more or less the embodiment of the clubs deviances than Sophia to me.

The scene of getting involved with Allison concludes with Edwin explicitly, repeatedly going "I love Carnations Club" in his head. He basically gets fully on board with the concept of perks being the middle manager in the illegal sex venture gets him --as embodied by getting to bang a prominent actress-- and relishes it rather than feel all hesitant about the exploitative nature of it, the way he's at the start.

Sophia is more of a middle ground, in the sense both she and potentially Edwin look down on the animalistic debauchery of it all. Even if, as Edwin notes, they succumb to it to some degree themselves.

 

[DETROIT123_io]

When is the public release?

 

[Turret]

When is the public release?

10.10.

 

[Idontplay]

The day after tomorrow.

 

[Discrepancy]

The scene of getting involved with Allison concludes with Edwin explicitly, repeatedly going "I love Carnations Club" in his head. He basically gets fully on board with the concept of perks being the middle manager in the illegal sex venture gets him --as embodied by getting to bang a prominent actress-- and relishes it rather than feel all hesitant about the exploitative nature of it, the way he's at the start.

Sophia is more of a middle ground, in the sense both she and potentially Edwin look down on the animalistic debauchery of it all. Even if, as Edwin notes, they succumb to it to some degree themselves.

That's actually a great point, still that's kinda true for every sexual action Edwin does at the club right? So the white path Edwin wouldn't partake in any sexual thing that the club offer including during the exhibitions, he would always let Ian handle that part, and maybe that's possible?
Still I really don't like binary morality systems, they too strict, I can see a good person Edwin fall for the lust in the orgy for any of the 2 girls without thinking about the consequences or ramifications it will bring in the future.
Still I appreciate your and Turrets points, just not fully agree in this case.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

So I reached the orgy scene (unless there is another one I don´t about yet) and...nothing. No Sophia, no Allison, my guy just stood (in this case sat in a chair) and watched a bunch of old fucks have their way with those poor women.
What choices did I have to choose to be able to choose something during the orgy?

 

[Discrepancy]

So I reached the orgy scene (unless there is another one I don´t about yet) and...nothing. No Sophia, no Allison, my guy just stood (in this case sat in a chair) and watched a bunch of old fucks have their way with those poor women.
What choices did I have to choose to be able to choose something during the orgy?

We discussed this here: https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-6-ea-mutt-jeff.50281/post-18308078
Hope it helps!
Edit:The discussion is mostly about Allison, but for Sophia should be related to accepting her apologies if I had to guess

 

[Turret]

So I reached the orgy scene (unless there is another one I don´t about yet) and...nothing. No Sophia, no Allison, my guy just stood (in this case sat in a chair) and watched a bunch of old fucks have their way with those poor women.
What choices did I have to choose to be able to choose something during the orgy?

Hi!
The option to be with Allison or Sophia during the orgy depends on you actions before. Sophia only shows up if she likes you. So during your encounters with her before you need to get brownie points. e.g. chosing Sophia during the visit to the blue room with Kath and Sophia. Not insulting her, accepting her apology, should be self-explaining. If you have enough points with her, Sophia will show up at your chair and start a conversation. When you need to choose an action, follow her.
Btw. never take drugs like the coke during the the orgy, Sophia dislikes drug use with stuff not made by her. (Also dislikes abuses of her own inventions)
Discrepancy already posted help points for Alli

 

[Turret]

That's actually a great point, still that's kinda true for every sexual action Edwin does at the club right? So the white path Edwin wouldn't partake in any sexual thing that the club offer including during the exhibitions, he would always let Ian handle that part, and maybe that's possible?
Still I really don't like binary morality systems, they too strict, I can see a good person Edwin fall for the lust in the orgy for any of the 2 girls without thinking about the consequences or ramifications it will bring in the future.
Still I appreciate your and Turrets points, just not fully agree in this case.

Hi again!
Doing a run like you propose experimentally is aiming for sainthood or the "lilywhite" path. The game is not so strict, at least it seems not so strict. For instance, the possible "naughty" encounter with Andrea is under different conditions and will not destroy your chances for a "white" run, even less for a "grey" one.
You might have read one of my posts with Andrea as a topic.

 

[ruby_rubicon]

... Curios if Allison will be important for the future of the story or if she even be relevant to it (she might be a potencial clue for we to get to know more about Darius though) Sophia will be very important as confirmed by the game creators, but I'm not so sure as you that she's not linked to the "bad" stuff that might happen in the future.

I'm curious too. Allison was very fun, but for my "Canon" run I chose Sophia, giving it to her seemed like overcoming a challenge and probably more rewarding in solving /influencing the intrigue within the club.

That being said, I bet biblically meeting either one will open up dialogues and/or scenes with one or the other (or both!) whilst in the exhibition.

Can't wait.

 

[Turret]

That being said, I bet biblically meeting either one will open up dialogues and/or scenes with one or the other (or both!) whilst in the exhibition.

Hi!
I hope so too. And given the fact that there is an exclusivity of path between the two, I predict special scenes, dialog and choices for both Allison and Sophia during part 2, even with the focus on the Carnations there.
I also theorise a change of focus on Edwin´s path depending on what he did (or not) during the orgy. Since chosing Alli is accepting the club fully, it probably goes towards selfishness, more exploitation and special sex scenes (not only with Alii) available, closer connections with Kath and Chuck too, looser with Hana and August.
Chosing Sophia will probably also have some exclusive sex scenes, but I think the look behind the scenes and the real extend of the Chuck-Abel feud will be deeper and clearer. Closer connections with Abel, Sophia, tentatively Hana and August (who both are not happy with what is going on) too.
Chosing to do nothing during the orgy will probably bring more focus on the Carnations (and Hana). You´ll be probably more a bystander in the Chuck-Abel feud than when you choose Alli or Sophia.

 

[Discrepancy]

Hi!
I hope so too. And given the fact that there is an exclusivity of path between the two, I predict special scenes, dialog and choices for both Allison and Sophia during part 2, even with the focus on the Carnations there.
I also theorise a change of focus on Edwin´s path depending on what he did (or not) during the orgy. Since chosing Alli is accepting the club fully, it probably goes towards selfishness, more exploitation and special sex scenes (not only with Alii) available, closer connections with Kath and Chuck too, looser with Hana and August.
Chosing Sophia will probably also have some exclusive sex scenes, but I think the look behind the scenes and the real extend of the Chuck-Abel feud will be deeper and clearer. Closer connections with Abel, Sophia, tentatively Hana and August (who both are not happy with what is going on) too.
Chosing to do nothing during the orgy will probably bring more focus on the Carnations (and Hana). You´ll be probably more a bystander in the Chuck-Abel feud than when you choose Alli or Sophia.

I think you are giving more importance to this choice than TD ever considered
Choosing one over the other will probably open or close scenes that I agree, but neither lead to a different path, I mean choosing Allison doesn't mean you have to side with Kathleen or the other way around.
I think you focusing too much on your light dark grey thing, when I think this game is various shades of grey, the only light path possible would be to reject the Job at the club and the game would end
What I mean is I really doubt if there's as much emphasis on who to fuck in the orgy for the narrative of the game and even less to a potential ending, I think there will be consequences and ramifications as most things have in this game, but don't see this choice as powerful as you seem to be implying.
I'm ok to be surprised by TD and be proven wrong in the future though

 

[ruby_rubicon]

... I think there will be consequences and ramifications as most things have in this game, but don't see this choice as powerful as you seem to be implying.
I'm ok to be surprised by TD and be proven wrong in the future though

Agreed. Even though it'd be fascinating to see even more important ramifications from the seemingly frivolous orgy choice, I bet it'd be too painful to code and also maybe just "too much" replay value? I'm already missing 1 or 2 scenes per update!

 

[Discrepancy]

Agreed. Even though it'd be fascinating to see even more important ramifications from the seemingly frivolous orgy choice, I bet it'd be too painful to code and also maybe just "too much" replay value? I'm already missing 1 or 2 scenes per update!

Agree 100% there's also the dev time it would put on TD and GIL for scenes that lots of players won't see, I mean this game already has a lot of it and I'm thankful for it, but the headache to code, create more image variations, the dev time that is already inevitably getting longer will make some ramifications very hard or even impossible.

 

[Turret]

I think you are giving more importance to this choice than TD ever considered
Choosing one over the other will probably open or close scenes that I agree, but neither lead to a different path, I mean choosing Allison doesn't mean you have to side with Kathleen or the other way around.
I think you focusing too much on your light dark grey thing, when I think this game is various shades of grey, the only light path possible would be to reject the Job at the club and the game would end
What I mean is I really doubt it there's as much emphasis on who to fuck in the orgy for the narrative of the game and even less to a potencial ending, I think there will be consequences and ramifications as most things have in this game, but don't see this choice as powerful as you seem to be implying.
I'm ok to be surprised by TD and be proven wrong in the future though

Well, that could be the case, sure, but given the great story so far, it is natural for us fans to discuss!
And it might sound a bit larger than I meant it due to me being a non-native English speaker. The choice during the orgy will not close off all possible paths completely, but it surely will make walking some paths easier, others more difficult and in in extreme cases close off.
Our resident code gurus said that the new update is full of flags like during a parade. Going by that info, I estimated that some "lesser" seeming choices will quite have impact. And the orgy is one of those. You get the options of Alli and Sophia only if your earlier choices align towards them. e.g. Being a chummer to Elias can negate the Allison option (this also hints towards Allison being brought in by Kath to haywire relations between Elias, Feli, Edwin, Hana), Sophia will only come to talk if she likes you. you already made some choices which shape your path.
Going for Alli will surely make all paths with Kath and Chuck as your buddies easier, going for Sophia will make paths opposing Kath and Chuck easier to take.

 

[slightchance]

Every encounter is flagged. - TD1000

It's not like they are forbidden to change or add details once they've made it to the finish line. Rose's first encounter with Edwin got changed as well in the last update. Some even more critical scenes are getting reworked as we speak.

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[Kameri]

okay i may be reading too much into this

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[X2JZcf]

okay i may be reading too much into this

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