VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

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sunaboz said:
Nah, it's probably her way to emphasise that they need to finish their short encounter because they both have other duties to attend to and they won't have time to interact with each other until a later time. Sophia is too important for Abel for her to be discarded, Chuck won't touch her until he will win with her in chess (which shouldn't happen unless he cheats), Kathleen relies on her too much and August doesn't care.
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I agree with you on this, both are needed elsewhere, Sophia with Abel and Edwin has to lead Elias to his doom. I too see this emphatic goodbye as a facet of Sophia´s personality, who has problems with social stuff due to her eccentrism and how she grew up. Given her problems with social cues it seems to me she wanted to make sure Edwin gets her feelings. She also touches him when she is saying goodbye. We also have this gem of socially imept nerds flirting:
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recoba said:
Gallery Unlocker for Pale Carnations-Ch4Up6-pc.

To unlock the gallery for the game, please copy the attached file into the "game" folder.
This solution worked for my configuration; use it at your own risk.
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How to downloading this or where to put files at? i can't seem to be able to download it only able to click read on it.
 
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HDussen said:
And you should be worried. Now that the female has been impregnated by the male, the male has served its primary purpose. It can now serve its secondary purpose as a food source. Hence goodbye.
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Oh no... Is she gonna eat Edwin's head now lol
 
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Discrepancy said:
We discussed this here: https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-6-ea-mutt-jeff.50281/post-18308078
Hope it helps!
Edit:The discussion is mostly about Allison, but for Sophia should be related to accepting her apologies if I had to guess :unsure:
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Turret said:
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The option to be with Allison or Sophia during the orgy depends on you actions before. Sophia only shows up if she likes you. So during your encounters with her before you need to get brownie points. e.g. chosing Sophia during the visit to the blue room with Kath and Sophia. Not insulting her, accepting her apology, should be self-explaining. If you have enough points with her, Sophia will show up at your chair and start a conversation. When you need to choose an action, follow her.
Btw. never take drugs like the coke during the the orgy, Sophia dislikes drug use with stuff not made by her. (Also dislikes abuses of her own inventions)
Discrepancy already posted help points for Alli :)
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Thank you both. Well, I don´t think I have a good repertoire with Sophia, since she hangs around that old man and I don´t like him. I didn´t accept her apology, so that didn´t help either. I do have a save where I did accept it, so I´ll try that one. I´m really only interested in getting some Sophia action.
 
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Leinad_Sevla said:
Thank you both. Well, I don´t think I have a good repertoire with Sophia, since she hangs around that old man and I don´t like him. I didn´t accept her apology, so that didn´t help either. I do have a save where I did accept it, so I´ll try that one. I´m really only interested in getting some Sophia action.
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Well you can't blame the girl for not wanting to fuck you if you didn't accept her apology ;)
 
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Leinad_Sevla said:
Thank you both. Well, I don´t think I have a good repertoire with Sophia, since she hangs around that old man and I don´t like him. I didn´t accept her apology, so that didn´t help either. I do have a save where I did accept it, so I´ll try that one. I´m really only interested in getting some Sophia action.
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Hi! As I wrote before, Sophia only comes to talk during the orgy if she likes you. For that you have to start from the beginning. You probably also did not choose her during the Kath and Sophia scene in the blue room, since you have no good relations with her.
first off, when you meet Sophia in the club bar, take her hand, when the option pops up. During the Kath and Sophia scene in the blue room choose Sophia. Do not insult her during the "flat invasion", accept her apology, talk with her during the free roam, do not take drugs. That should help you.
 
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Turret said:
Hi ename144!
While Wilhelm von Occam´s idea is a nifty tool, your use of it here fall s prey to not available to you important info. Since you have bad relations with Sophia, your Edwin does not gain some insights other Edwins do.
That some black ops sh... like mental imprints was done on Sophia, be it volunteered or ordered to is currently unclear, is very obvious if you chose her path. Also that Sophia is adapting to it, starting to throw her weight around. As I mentioned in former posts, I theorise that Sophia was honed to be Abel´s right hand, sword and successor, added to it secret service level mental work and spec training to be able to function in the club without too much undue attention.
Given that Sophia remembers alot of time with Abel fondly, I think she volunteered to help bring down the Club and esp. Chuck. But she, probably even Abel, underestimated what a mental workover of an already eccentric genius-level mind would bring about. You cannot force a mind continously to do things he never had inclinations of, stuff compatible with the core personality
will merge, incompatible things will be rejected/erased over time. This is what happens here, because with Sophia in a few year becoming Abel´s successor leads to her start stretching her own wings. Currently she and her imprints function like they should, but Sophia is injecting her own spin. She wants to win, but her own designs are beginning to take shape.
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I estimate that the mind work and special traning done with/for/on Sophia has the reason to "round out" some of her skill sets, enable her to do things she does not like/want to do and shield her from suspicion/work undercover in the club. That something was done can be seen here.
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Step by step we get more info about what really goes on with Chuck/Club and Abel/Sophia. It is a shadow war to the end, both sides willing to do what "has to be done". More later.
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Hi, Turret.

I'm not trying to argue against your support of Sophia, but I have to note two things here. First, just because my main save has poor rapport with Sophia does not mean I haven't seen her high rapport scenes. I have seen them. I try to see as much of the game as possible if only to give TD and GIL the best review I can (though the game is now so complex that I'm sure I'm missing some minor combination of variables). So I have seen Sophia's other lines and her sex scene, I just don't find them any more appealing than her previous actions - other than feeling sympathy due to her apparently dealing with some sort of serious mental issues.

Which leads to my second note: avoiding an endless layer of explanations based on "unavailable information" is precisely the point of Occam's Razor. Yes, it's possible Sophia is some sort of deep cover sleeper agent whose various personality grafts are starting to conflict, but until the game presents clear evidence that any of those things exist in the game world, I think it is much easier to assume Sophia is deeply addled and leave it at that, at least until we get more information. Your mileage obviously varies, which is fine.

Leinad_Sevla said:
She has a point. She seem to take it gracefully, so I thought maybe there is a chance. Clearly not.
But no problem, I still have the other save.
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AFAICT, these are all the Sophia Rapport points currently available in the game:
  • +3 if you kissed Sophia while watching the Carnation punishment in Chapter 4 Update 2.
  • +1 if you push back against her initial apology
  • +1 if you're distracted by her breasts when she visits in the morning
  • +1 if you accept her apology before she leaves
  • +1 if you say you liked her angry outburst when talking to her during the free roam in the Club
  • -2 if you snort coke off Allison's ass
  • +1 if you look at her tits rather than taking her hand off your chest
  • -2 if you take her hand off her chest rather than look at her tits (to a minimum of 0)
Sophia will have an extended discussion with the MC during the orgy (thus allowing you to choose her sex scene) if you have 3 or more Rapport points. In essence that means you *need* to stare at her tits in the Club, plus pick any two of the other options listed. If you fooled around with Sophia previously you're nearly there, just avoid any negative points. If not, then you need to stare at her tits in the Club, say no to drugs, and pick any of the other positive points listed.

EDIT: Added some missing points.
 
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Hi, Turret.

I'm not trying to argue against your support of Sophia, but I have to note two things here. First, just because my main save has poor rapport with Sophia does not mean I haven't seen her high rapport scenes. I have seen them. I try to see as much of the game as possible if only to give TD and GIL the best review I can (though the game is now so complex that I'm sure I'm missing some minor combination of variables). So I have seen Sophia's other lines and her sex scene, I just don't find them any more appealing than her previous actions - other than feeling sympathy due to her apparently dealing with some sort of serious mental issues.

Which leads to my second note: avoiding an endless layer of explanations based on "unavailable information" is precisely the point of Occam's Razor. Yes, it's possible Sophia is some sort of deep cover sleeper agent whose various personality grafts are starting to conflict, but until the game presents clear evidence that any of those things exist in the game world, I think it is much easier to assume Sophia is deeply addled and leave it at that, at least until we get more information. Your mileage obviously varies, which is fine.


AFAICT, these are all the Sophia Rapport points currently available in the game:
  • +1 if you push back against her initial apology
  • +1 if you're distracted by her breasts when she visits in the morning
  • +1 if you accept her apology before she leaves
  • +1 if you say you liked her angry outburst when talking to her during the free roam in the Club
  • +1 if you look at her tits rather than taking her hand off your chest
  • -2 if you take her hand off her chest rather than look at her tits (to a minimum of 0)
Sophia will have an extended discussion with the MC during the orgy (thus allowing you to choose her sex scene) if you have 3 or more Rapport points. In essence that means you *need* to stare at her tits in the Club, plus pick any two of the other options listed.
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There's also a retroactive check where you get +3 Sophia points for the kiss ending during Kat's HJ back in Ch4Up2.
 
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