VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[sunaboz]

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[Zakharova]

Holy shit! Even by my standards of debauchery, promiscuity, moral depravity, vicious immorality, sadism, religious masochism, and erotic perversity, you threatening the woman who practically raised your kid... and then using her past as a porn actress to blackmail her...? That’s low as fuck! I’m ready to sell MC’s soul to the devil (in this case, Kath) for him to get revenge on that smoking hot redheaded MILF (aka Ian’s mom) with psychological cruelty so intense it’s worthy of a Japanese thriller directed by Sion Sono!

It's wild how Pale Carnations stirs up the darkest, most twisted urges in the player, yet still hits you with a gut-punch of raw, righteous moral fury.

 

[ffive]

It's wild how Pale Carnations stirs up the darkest, most twisted urges in the player, yet still hits you with a gut-punch of raw, righteous moral fury.

Meantime i'm ngl, that subplot kinda ended up feeling like nothingburger. Grace tries to blackmail Victoria, who gets drunk out of her ass and then learns that Edwin actually knew about her past all along and is totally okay with it so she freaked out over nothing, group hug. Makes Grace look more like a clown who ended up doing Vicky and Edwin a favor.

(i'm not saying it's a bad development or anything; just the way it got dealt with so quickly makes it hard for me to feel anything about Grace. It'd be like getting mad at a stooge who tried to assault someone but ended up tripping over their own feet. More of a material for blooper roll than any real outrage)

 

[ename144]

Meantime i'm ngl, that subplot kinda ended up feeling like nothingburger. Grace tries to blackmail Victoria, who gets drunk out of her ass and then learns that Edwin actually knew about her past all along and is totally okay with it so she freaked out over nothing, group hug. Makes Grace look more like a clown who ended up doing Vicky and Edwin a favor.

Grace looks like a harmless chump now, sure, but the subplot isn't over yet. The biggest shoe is still to drop.

 

[ffive]

Grace looks like a harmless chump now, sure, but the subplot isn't over yet. The biggest shoe is still to drop.

Hmm what do you mean by the biggest shoe? Whatever it is that has happened between Victoria and Chuck, or something else..?

 

[FRVN]

Hmm what do you mean by the biggest shoe? Whatever it is that has happened between Victoria and Chuck, or something else..?

Well in addition to the whole Chuck thing, depending on your choices (whether you told Ian to be introspective or not, and whether you told him her secret or lied) you can get revenge on Grace with Ian, or possibly set up a division between Edwin and Ian, or Ian spiraling.

 

[ffive]

Well in addition to the whole Chuck thing, depending on your choices (whether you told Ian to be introspective or not, and whether you told him her secret or lied) you can get revenge on Grace with Ian, or possibly set up a division between Edwin and Ian, or Ian spiraling.

Ahh, okay. Thank you, I wasn't really considering those since like you note, they're largely based on the player's choices so none of that is really a guaranteed outcome.

 

[Bob69]

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[Zakharova]

Meantime i'm ngl, that subplot kinda ended up feeling like nothingburger. Grace tries to blackmail Victoria, who gets drunk out of her ass and then learns that Edwin actually knew about her past all along and is totally okay with it so she freaked out over nothing, group hug. Makes Grace look more like a clown who ended up doing Vicky and Edwin a favor.

(i'm not saying it's a bad development or anything; just the way it got dealt with so quickly makes it hard for me to feel anything about Grace. It'd be like getting mad for a stooge who tried to assault someone but ended up tripping over their own feet. More of a material for blooper roll than any real outrage)

This anticlimactic turn, so to speak, in Grace's subplot serves, in my view, precisely to portray how her personality suffers from intense emotional detachment. She believes she can "buy" anyone and, consequently, delegate any task, no matter how immoral it may be... this is the great proof of her difficulty in understanding human relationships in general (I’m not sure if due to some issue in the character’s past), how they work, and their usefulness in fostering emotional bonds... curiously, she uses the same behavioral patterns that alienated Ian to try to understand him and transform him into a "better and responsible" person... and I believe this is the main tragedy of her as a mother.

 

[ename144]

Hmm what do you mean by the biggest shoe? Whatever it is that has happened between Victoria and Chuck, or something else..?

Yes, whatever happened with Chuck that required an 'understanding' for them to make awkward Thanksgiving Chit-chat over the years.

That, and having to deal with the fallout from how this effects Killian. We've only seen the first tremors of that particular impact and it's already fairly extreme. I'm sure it can get much worse if the MC lied to an unreflective Killian's face.

 

[Lusurbur]

this update further proofs that lucy should become on of the LI's. Truly one of the best hags in the game and with the whole married woman dynamic added on to her character...could open up more paths down the line where we fuck her in her house near her husband and son

 

[Ummmh]

Yes, whatever happened with Chuck that required an 'understanding' for them to make awkward Thanksgiving Chit-chat over the years.

That, and having to deal with the fallout from how this effects Killian. We've only seen the first tremors of that particular impact and it's already fairly extreme. I'm sure it can get much worse if the MC lied to an unreflective Killian's face.

1) lying to him is probably a factor, tho I had guessed MC was concerned that he would react with shock and so turn to seeing Vicky as just another slut, so change behavior to her like he did with Alice...

2) The fact that ANY woman (especially those Kath feels could cause someone excruciating agony to see humiliated and used) is potentially going to end up club fuckmeat is a major concern, as we see with MC getting twitchy over August meeting Mina (who was actually secretly already a housegirl target, or even future budding Carnation, via her working via Elias's agency, as was hinted back in 4.3 IIRC), so MC clearly HAS to be heavily motivated to keep his mother away from anything that could cause her to slide down that chute to what is more or less humiliation-heavy, degradation-focued sex slavery. He already shields her from even knowing abt the club, and odds are it is mostly not to avoid her disapproval, as fear of her being pulled in has to be prominent in his heart.

3) This last bit especially being enhanced if MC watched the interview tape, as...

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so she technically was already always potentially unknowingly in the slut stable/housegirl pipeline, but Chuck likely nixed it. I think it incredibly unlikely she was ever secretly a Carnation, but for all we know, her situation might have inspired the whole deal in Chuck's twisted brain.

 

[Discrepancy]

as we see with MC getting twitchy over August meeting Mina (who was actually secretly already a housegirl target, or even future budding Carnation, via her working via Elias's agency, as was hinted back in 4.3 IIRC)

I love Mina and I'm conflicted about this, but seeing her as a house girl could be pretty hot

 

[Ummmh]

I love Mina and I'm conflicted about this, but seeing her as a house girl could be pretty hot

Well, yeah. And it feeds right out of her kink exploration quest w/MC. Yet another case where a girl is shown to be potentially curious enough to fall into the trap more or less willingly... and we are all TOTALLY thinking abt it...

Vicky clearly is pre-primed for it as well, and is only a potential Patreon incest ban away from ending up on stage with her son. (EDIT: she could still end up there, just bouncing up n down on/getting plowed under Ian, while MC has to just watch, if Kath has her twisted way; no actual biological incest (just semi-adoptive-mom kink), that way, and Patreon just grumbles. Ian might very well want to, upon the Becca Starr revelation hitting him).

Hana, too, for sure, given how hard and fast she hopped right on MC after seeing him at work, and how she is seemingly (evolving into/discovering she is) a hardcore submissive, as we watch. Guaranteed Kath's fashion pick for her was not just what Kath said, but to get her used to being seen, even to herself, as a club commodity. If August flinches in protecting his darling daughter AT ALL, she goes from managing the merchandise, to BEING the merchandise.

 

[FRVN]

If August flinches in protecting his darling daughter AT ALL, she goes from managing the merchandise, to BEING the merchandise.

Not going to happen. Even if August doesn't protect her, she has ownership stakes in the club, stakes that Kathleen wants. She's not going to do anything to risk losing those, and I doubt Chuck cares at all.

 

[Discrepancy]

Well, yeah. And it feeds right out of her kink exploration quest w/MC. Yet another case where a girl is shown to be potentially curious enough to fall into the trap more or less willingly... and we are all TOTALLY thinking abt it...

Vicky clearly is pre-primed for it as well, and is only a potential Patreon incest ban away from ending up on stage with her son.

Hana, too, for sure, given how hard and fast she hopped right on MC after seeing him at work, and how she is seemingly (evolving into/discovering she is) a hardcore submissive, as we watch. Guaranteed Kath's fashion pick for her was not just what Kath said, but to get her used to being seen, even to herself, as a club commodity. If August flinches in protecting his darling daughter AT ALL, she goes from managing the merchandise, to BEING the merchandise.

I'm not even sure August would oppose it, since he made Hana use that "uniform" on the first exhibition.

 

[Ummmh]

I'm not even sure August would oppose it, since he made Hana use that "uniform" on the first exhibition.

Augie is a trafficker, after all, and Hana's mom has to have passed to her many of the traits which made her (in Augie's words) "a STAR".

Not going to happen. Even if August doesn't protect her, she has ownership stakes in the club, stakes that Kathleen wants. She's not going to do anything to risk losing those, and I doubt Chuck cares at all.

He is protective of her, but.... He would never have let her anywhere near the club, if he was 100% on keeping her off the path. He would, tho, likely not want her ony any clubmembers' dicks. Both native dad instincts, and optics on his power, should he let his own daughter fall into that fate. If he dies, tho... A lot has been made over Hana being his heiress... Might BOTH Hana's parents be fatally ill, but daddy just kept quiet abt his health?

 

[Turret]

I'm not even sure August would oppose it, since he made Hana use that "uniform" on the first exhibition.

"Old" August from about 2 years ago would not blink, "current" August, esp. if you as the player ran "middlesman", would become an epic Papa Wolf impersonation if somebody went against Hana now.

 

[Discrepancy]

"Old" August from about 2 years ago would not blink, "current" August, esp. if you as the player ran "middlesman", would become an epic Papa Wolf impersonation if somebody went against Hana now.

Sure, but if Hana decided to whore herself at the club he probably be ok with it, if she was forced to yeah August would kill the one forcing her.
Anyway not seeing it happening, kinda out of character for Hana, could see Mina doing it to satisfy her curiosity, but not Hana

 

[FRVN]

Sure, but if Hana decided to whore herself at the club he probably be ok with it, if she was forced to yeah August would kill the one forcing her.
Anyway not seeing it happening, kinda out of character for Hana, could see Mina doing it to satisfy her curiosity, but not Hana

Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me that she would become the "merchandise" when her story to this point has been about her becoming the "merchandiser," which she previously hated and was resisting, but has been embracing more as the story moves along.