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Dev Diary 91

Hello all, let's keep it short and sweet. (TD here.)
Currently, Ch4Up6 sits at a total of 554 static images, 27 animations, and 14,185 wordss.
That comes out to 97 static images, 9 animations, and 2,614 words since our last dev diary.
We are close to finishing the Mina branch we've previously mentioned (wow, she cute) and will move onto the exhibition hopefully by the middle of next week. GIL has already started prepping the assets this week, updating the lighting rigs for the many many maps we'll need for the free roam and beyond. If I say so myself, the exhibition hall has never looked better.
I'm really looking forward to what's to come. There's a lot potential for me as a writer, playing the Carnations against each other, as well as the dramatic irony to be had from the club's newest member. Should be lots and lots of fun.
For me, at least.
With that, not much else to report. I'll speak more on the exhibition and it's scope once we get into it proper, but right now we're in the keep on keeping on phase. So, as always, thank you for the support. It means everything to GIL and myself.
thanks brother (y)
 

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Could someone help me out? I'm at the rock club in the current update, but no matter what I do, I can't get the scenes with Rosalind, Veronica, Hana or Mina. It just brings me to the Carnation Meeting, they get high and then MC checks the voicemail causing he and Ian to go to his mom's place. After that, it asks if I want to delete the videos and it ens right after. What am I doing wrong?
 

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Could someone help me out? I'm at the rock club in the current update, but no matter what I do, I can't get the scenes with Rosalind, Veronica, Hana or Mina. It just brings me to the Carnation Meeting, they get high and then MC checks the voicemail causing he and Ian to go to his mom's place. After that, it asks if I want to delete the videos and it ens right after. What am I doing wrong?
If you cannot find any of them, I suspect you are not doing anything wrong but did something "wrong" in the past. Depending on past choices some (or most) options may not be available.

MrBubu's walktrough (linked in OP) notes the requirements for triggering the various scenes; Taking a look should help you troubleshooting.
 
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If you cannot find any of them, I suspect you are not doing anything wrong but did something "wrong" in the past. Depending on past choices some (or most) options may not be available.

MrBubu's walktrough (linked in OP) notes the requirements for triggering the various scenes; Taking a look should help you troubleshooting.
I have mixed feelings about the club scenes. I haven't gotten all of them yet but from what I've seen with the exception of Mina and Vero going to town they all just seem to be a kiss? It looks like the animation focus for this one was primarily Victoria, not bad per se, I just don't care about them. Again, I haven't seen them all so I could stand to be corrected.
 

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I have mixed feelings about the club scenes. I haven't gotten all of them yet but from what I've seen with the exception of Mina and Vero going to town they all just seem to be a kiss? It looks like the animation focus for this one was primarily Victoria, not bad per se, I just don't care about them. Again, I haven't seen them all so I could stand to be corrected.
The interactions while watching the band are more about character development than they are about sex, but IMHO they don't work all that well in most cases.

Felica's is nice, but very understated. Mina's is okay depending on what you're looking for with her, though it might be easy to miss future content you'd want if you don't make the right choices. Hana's bit on stage is short and would have worked better if it had been limited to her girlfriend path, but it's fun in that context. I think Veronica's is supposed to be about her and the MC slowly dropping their pretenses, but it skips over the crucial interactions needed for that progression; I do still love the bit with the bartender, though. Killian and Jacob's bit is interesting, but not particularly gripping (though the rest of Killian's material at the club if you encouraged him to introspect is very well done). If you manage to miss all main cast interactions (including Killian), the scene with Eve (the bartender) is excellent - but ultimately just filler, I presume. Rosalind's is just depressing and unpleasant - again, all IMHO.

So yeah, I have mixed feelings about those scenes, too. They aren't bad (Rosalind aside), but they don't pack the punch I was expecting.
 
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The individual Carnation scenes were meant to be extra parts for the build-a-romance workshop. Nothing excessive, just a topping for after their individual dates from earlier in the week - if you for whatever reason didn't want anything to do with Mina or Hana. The main gist of the event was positioning Mina in various ways, vs. Killian, vs. Hana, vs. Veronica, vs. Edwin etc. It didn't even occur to me that some people would be disappointed they weren't fleshed out because my mindset was that the alternative was no scenes for the Carnations.

With that said, cross faded Rosalind ended up being my favorite moment, though. :devilish:
 
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The interactions while watching the band are more about character development than they are about sex, but IMHO they don't work all that well in most cases.

Felica's is nice, but very understated. Mina's is okay depending on what you're looking for with her, though it might be easy to miss future content you'd want if you don't make the right choices. Hana's bit on stage is short and would have worked better if it had been limited to her girlfriend path, but it's fun in that context. I think Veronica's is supposed to be about her and the MC slowly dropping their pretenses, but it skips over the crucial interactions needed for that progression; I do still love the bit with the bartender, though. Killian and Jacob's bit is interesting, but not particularly gripping (though the rest of Killian's material at the club if you encouraged him to introspect is very well done). If you manage to miss all main cast interactions (including Killian), the scene with Eve (the bartender) is excellent - but ultimately just filler, I presume. Rosalind's is just depressing and unpleasant - again, all IMHO.

So yeah, I have mixed feelings about those scenes, too. They aren't bad (Rosalind aside), but they don't pack the punch I was expecting.
Yeah, the possibilities for actual impactful scenes are waisted in my opinion. It's the first time everyone is in the same location at once and nearly everything that happens is just a fizzle. I haven't seen the bartender scene yet but no matter how good it may be it will likely be irrelevant to anything after that night, just there for a sex scene. The biggest outcome from what I've seen is being in a relationship with Hanna and Mina. The ending of that one feels like it could be very good or very bad depending on your previous choices. Unlike the rest that scenario feels like it actually matters going forward.
 

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The interactions while watching the band are more about character development than they are about sex, but IMHO they don't work all that well in most cases.

Felica's is nice, but very understated. Mina's is okay depending on what you're looking for with her, though it might be easy to miss future content you'd want if you don't make the right choices. Hana's bit on stage is short and would have worked better if it had been limited to her girlfriend path, but it's fun in that context. I think Veronica's is supposed to be about her and the MC slowly dropping their pretenses, but it skips over the crucial interactions needed for that progression; I do still love the bit with the bartender, though. Killian and Jacob's bit is interesting, but not particularly gripping (though the rest of Killian's material at the club if you encouraged him to introspect is very well done). If you manage to miss all main cast interactions (including Killian), the scene with Eve (the bartender) is excellent - but ultimately just filler, I presume. Rosalind's is just depressing and unpleasant - again, all IMHO.

So yeah, I have mixed feelings about those scenes, too. They aren't bad (Rosalind aside), but they don't pack the punch I was expecting.
IMHO the development time necessary for this club sequence was excessive, especially considering the main purpose of positioning characters. By themself, the various paths are just too short and therefore lackluster. Maybe that's a me problem though, considering I don't appreciate the dating sim aspect of this VN and would be happy to skip it. The slow burn corruption of MC and the girls on the "dark" path starts to wear on me too, and I would like to get to what I consider the meat of the story at some point. The next update will be illuminating in this regard.
Also give me more Sophia, Kathleen and house girl content, they are totally underrepresented in my opinion (yeah I know they are not the main girls :HideThePain:).
 
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The interactions while watching the band are more about character development than they are about sex, but IMHO they don't work all that well in most cases.

Felica's is nice, but very understated. Mina's is okay depending on what you're looking for with her, though it might be easy to miss future content you'd want if you don't make the right choices. Hana's bit on stage is short and would have worked better if it had been limited to her girlfriend path, but it's fun in that context. I think Veronica's is supposed to be about her and the MC slowly dropping their pretenses, but it skips over the crucial interactions needed for that progression; I do still love the bit with the bartender, though. Killian and Jacob's bit is interesting, but not particularly gripping (though the rest of Killian's material at the club if you encouraged him to introspect is very well done). If you manage to miss all main cast interactions (including Killian), the scene with Eve (the bartender) is excellent - but ultimately just filler, I presume. Rosalind's is just depressing and unpleasant - again, all IMHO.

So yeah, I have mixed feelings about those scenes, too. They aren't bad (Rosalind aside), but they don't pack the punch I was expecting.
The individual Carnation scenes were meant to be extra parts for the build-a-romance workshop. Nothing excessive, just a topping for after their individual dates from earlier in the week - if you for whatever reason didn't want anything to do with Mina or Hana. The main gist of the event was positioning Mina in various ways, vs. Killian, vs. Hana, vs. Veronica, vs. Edwin etc. It didn't even occur to me that some people would be disappointed they weren't fleshed out because my mindset was that the alternative was no scenes for the Carnations.

With that said, cross faded Rosalind ended up being my favorite moment, though. :devilish:
Yeah, the possibilities for actual impactful scenes are waisted in my opinion. It's the first time everyone is in the same location at once and nearly everything that happens is just a fizzle. I haven't seen the bartender scene yet but no matter how good it may be it will likely be irrelevant to anything after that night, just there for a sex scene. The biggest outcome from what I've seen is being in a relationship with Hanna and Mina. The ending of that one feels like it could be very good or very bad depending on your previous choices. Unlike the rest that scenario feels like it actually matters going forward.
While I also think that a couple subpaths in the Club are rather short and the development time for it very long, I really like the info dump (we get quite a lot of background info), realtionship interaction (not only your LI, but the general fabric) and "choice matters" (some choices you do will(!) have impact later) aspects of the Club part.
If Felicia is your LI, her scenes are short but sweet and funny, e.g. "wifely duties" or "I didn´t not miss that" (double negation is fun:giggle:, even if English double neg is not quite the same as in my mother tongue). The Club part also shows a divide between the Carnations again. Felicia is sitting, deliberately overdressed, a bit apart from the other Carnations in the VIP room and you have the option to give her a slight advantage for the next competition. As for the divide, Rosi is drunk and high, so she is not quite as distant to Felicia by design, but Veronica´s dislike is underlined here.

I got that the Club scene was mainly there to position Mina, which I did. I helped introspective Ian to get a talk with her. There might be a reconciliation possible.
While doing various choices to see the variants of how the club time will go, It showed me that (at least in my opinion) the Hana-Mina-Edwin threesome is something for fun, nothing for the longterm. The whole club stuff simply highlighted that in 99% of the play variants Edwin is Mina´s rebound and in the 1% he really is not just a rebound, Edwin and Mina are simply into each other.
I will keep my "Hana-Mina-Trouple" to see what will come out of it, but it is not a favourite one. I keep to my Hana, Felicia and Sophia saves.
 

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While doing various choices to see the variants of how the club time will go, It showed me that (at least in my opinion) the Hana-Mina-Edwin threesome is something for fun, nothing for the longterm.
As a dreamer of Hana-Mina-Edwin trouple ending, I'm going to take this particular opinion of yours as biased, stemming from the fact that "it is not your favorite one". Following this statement, and despite being fully aware of my own biases, I refuse to acknowledge the possibility that this trouple can't be made long term.

And I'll refuse to acknowledge it up until the very end (and maybe even after that).
 

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As a dreamer of Hana-Mina-Edwin trouple ending, I'm going to take this particular opinion of yours as biased, stemming from the fact that "it is not your favorite one". Following this statement, and despite being fully aware of my own biases, I refuse to acknowledge the possibility that this trouple can't be made long term.

And I'll refuse to acknowledge it up until the very end (and maybe even after that).
I'm totally with you, mate. For me the best outcome of this game is Mina/Hana throuple. I don't like Veronica at all. Don't want to waste my time to explain why.

Rosie is fine wifey / motherly material but not that much different from Lucy (I know their motivations and circumstances are very different but still there are lots of similarities), and I think Rosie will end up just like Lucy in any feasible outcome of the story, unless Edwin plays a total white knight.

Felicia, I like her a lot but she has chosen a suicidal path IMO which is bound to lead to nowhere. And Sophia... we still don't know much about her. She seems to be lost as much as Felicia.

The rest of the girls are just a crowd.

So, Mina/Hana ending is the only one I'm looking forward to. I mean separate endings would be also nice but I'm a possessive bastard and I like harem stories ;)
 
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