VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[GamingSavant]

What I'm curious about is how Week 3 Exhibition will turn out for Felicia. What with Elias joining in on it by Kathleen's scheming, I see two possible outcomes, one being she has a much more drastic reason to win because his reaction to seeing his trophy wife on stage will likely be outrage from the embarrassment, OR he becomes one of those Cuck Husbands who sees his wife in a new light and starts getting a thrill from seeing her have sex with other men. Would be kind of funny if her winning meant Edwin just became her Bull lmao.

 

[Ottoeight]

I was taking the piss. Still, things can change as long as Jeff & Mutt don't make it abundantly clear what paths lie ahead. Correct me if I am wrong but I think they've never actually talked about the tags Mina & Hana will be able to collect further down the road. Maybe now is the time to clear up the fog?!

Nope. Not now, not ever.

 

[Mike the Red]

Hana should have pierced nipples. There. We're talking about the game again.

Given that Harper and Zara have had them, Hana is clearly familiar with them. Maybe we've found something that Hana's afraid of--and an opportunity to help her face that fear....

Spoiler: Harper & Zara Piercings

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[immortalslayer90]

I think if we are playing as an asshole MC, he should harsher to his mom, tell her she didn't do it for him, she did it because she liked it or something. Him instantly forgiving her makes total sense for a nicer guy run, but a full on dickhead run, it seems out of character, I think he would be more bitter.

 

[Zuze6]

I keep checking the forum for the next update. New here so i was wondering if there is a way to know that the update has dropped besides this

 

[prpa]

I keep checking the forum for the next update. New here so i was wondering if there is a way to know that the update has dropped besides this

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[Zuze6]

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Thank you stranger

 

[GamingSavant]

I think if we are playing as an asshole MC, he should harsher to his mom, tell her she didn't do it for him, she did it because she liked it or something. Him instantly forgiving her makes total sense for a nicer guy run, but a full on dickhead run, it seems out of character, I think he would be more bitter.

that would be an express ticket to getting slapped in the face. Hell, Killian probably wouldn't bat an eye if he found out Edwin was fucking Mina (well, maybe he would but he'd hide it well). If Edwin hurt Vicky though, Killian would probably actually slug him.

 

[immortalslayer90]

that would be an express ticket to getting slapped in the face. Hell, Killian probably wouldn't bat an eye if he found out Edwin was fucking Mina (well, maybe he would but he'd hide it well). If Edwin hurt Vicky though, Killian would probably actually slug him.

Ok, I'm fine with it causing a rift between MC and Killian, there are a lot of story opportunities there. In fact, considering that MC was the one who kept bullies from bothering Killian, him trying to beat him up would be an interesting thing. Also, the MC could remind him that she's his mother, not Killian, etc etc. Play him really bitter and angry.

I mean, bitter and angry seems to be a big part of it whether you play him nice or mean. And you can also have him choose to watch the videos of her, not for arousal purposes, but seemingly as an obsession. He sees flashes of the things she did in those videos when he looks at the other girls. It makes sense that a more asshole MC would be holding anger and resentment towards her. It almost felt like a major narrative choice was taken away when he instantly forgave her.

Also, I really don't see her slapping him. She'd be crushed, not enraged. I definitely think it would be one of the most emotionally devastating choices the game could present.

 

[GamingSavant]

tbh since I started, the "Asshole" trait felt like a slight misnomer, cuz while Edwin definitely gets more rude thoughts and commentary with it, the reality is the Asshole trait makes him more of a sadist, but fully committed to his inner desires instead of trying to hold them back. He smiles like a kid at Christmas when people get sexually abused, uses more derogatory language, etc. Edwin can still be a good person while still being an "Asshole", and that's why I think it's a bit of a misnomer.

 

[immortalslayer90]

tbh since I started, the "Asshole" trait felt like a slight misnomer, cuz while Edwin definitely gets more rude thoughts and commentary with it, the reality is the Asshole trait makes him more of a sadist, but fully committed to his inner desires instead of trying to hold them back. He smiles like a kid at Christmas when people get sexually abused, uses more derogatory language, etc. Edwin can still be a good person while still being an "Asshole", and that's why I think it's a bit of a misnomer.

Tbh, I didn't specifically even mean the asshole trait. You can play him like an asshole without having that trait. It's more about the choices you make. I think an MC who has shown more anger and such should at least have the option to lash out at the moment or something. When been playing this absolute dickhead the whole game but then he just forgives her immediately, I dunno, it just feels really out of character.

 

[Turret]

Given that Harper and Zara have had them, Hana is clearly familiar with them. Maybe we've found something that Hana's afraid of--and an opportunity to help her face that fear....

It is a possibility what you are saying, but I never was a fan of piercings, so it is nice Hana does not have them. Small piercings ok, can be accepted, but big piercings or some places on the body, no thank you. The great work by TD and GIL is already visible in Hana, since there are quite a number of players who cannot stand tattoos or the degree of how many tattoos Hana has, but still have Hana as a favourite LI.

Edwin doesn't find sexual pleasure in the standard sense when it comes to his mom's porno collection. He doesn't get an erection and he doesn't masturbate; he just watches like it's a sad movie flick.

Hi! That is not quite correct. While there are days when Edwin just sadness binges his Mom´s porn collection, there are also days he strokes the chicken to it.

 

[lustforsex]

What Edwin is going through with Victoria can be simply described as cognitive dissonance. He wants to get to the bottom of why and what prompted Victoria to go into the sex industry and has even started to believe that his behavior as a child is the reason. At the same time, he is afraid that his image of her sacrifice will fall apart (when she was filming before meeting Donovan) and most likely is afraid to see her happy expression on her first shoot with Donovan.

What's also important is that Edwin now wants to know what made Victoria try to confess her past. He doesn't know it yet, but it's safe to assume that Victoria chose not to betray Ian when faced with two options (giving in to Grace's blackmail and betraying Ian, or telling Edwin about her past upfront so Grace wouldn't have power over her), and that says a lot about Victoria. Although, that could just be the tip of the iceberg compared to what happened between Vicky and Chuck, who knows.
It will also be interesting to see what Ian will do when he finds out that his mother tried to blackmail Victoria.

The scene below shows that Edwin hopes that Vicky won't tell him, but his expression tells a different story (or I'm just imagining things):

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I want to say on my own behalf that I think deleting the videos at the end of the last episode was not the best decision. Of course, many people live by the principle "Ignorance is bliss" and perhaps deleting the videos is a good option for them. As for me, no matter which way (Sadistic or "Saint") you play the game, this choice is not for me in both cases. Earlier, Edwin promised himself that at some point he would have a heart-to-heart talk with Victoria and only then would he put an end to this and never watch the videos with her again. Edwin always tries to get to the bottom of things, even if the case itself seems absurd. That moment has not yet arrived.

 

[ffive]

That's the bait guy. He's... obsessive. Be weary of newly created accounts with new posts.

You know you've made it when you get your own psycho fan. I mean, how many game threads around here get cursed blessed with that level of dedication.

 

[Simpgor]

I want to say on my own behalf that I think deleting the videos at the end of the last episode was not the best decision. Of course, many people live by the principle "Ignorance is bliss" and perhaps deleting the videos is a good option for them. As for me, no matter which way (Sadistic or "Saint") you play the game, this choice is not for me in both cases. Earlier, Edwin promised himself that at some point he would have a heart-to-heart talk with Victoria and only then would he put an end to this and never watch the videos with her again. Edwin always tries to get to the bottom of things, even if the case itself seems absurd. That moment has not yet arrived.

The only reason I think that deleting the videos is objectively the "better/not bad/good path/anti Kathleen path" is because its not an ignorance is bliss situation for Edwin that exists solely for the PLAYER.

Edwin has watched the videos (some at least) for over a decade, before he joined the club he was literally sitting in his apartment on a normal day watching them (and saying how often/long he's been doing it), the video (we saw last time) was not blurred for him especially after he meets with the person who produced/shot it. Even beyond that there is absolutely no reason to keep the videos, are they required to have a conversation with Victoria? Is he unable to talk to the porn producer again without them? Are they somehow (but Edwin has missed it for a decade) the key to connecting chuck to all this? Even if Edwin chooses to resolve everything that can still be done without having decades old .avi files of the porn in question

Edit: also you could do a simialr blurring (or not show them to people who delete) for any future Victoria scenes so it wouldn't even be wasting time in a creative sense.

 

[lustforsex]

The only reason I think that deleting the videos is objectively the "better/not bad/good path/anti Kathleen path" is because its not an ignorance is bliss situation for Edwin that exists solely for the PLAYER.

Edwin has watched the videos (some at least) for over a decade, before he joined the club he was literally sitting in his apartment on a normal day watching them (and saying how often/long he's been doing it), the video (we saw last time) was not blurred for him especially after he meets with the person who produced/shot it. Even beyond that there is absolutely no reason to keep the videos, are they required to have a conversation with Victoria? Is he unable to talk to the porn producer again without them? Are they somehow (but Edwin has missed it for a decade) the key to connecting chuck to all this? Even if Edwin chooses to resolve everything that can still be done without having decades old .avi files of the porn in question

Edit: also you could do a simialr blurring (or not show them to people who delete) for any future Victoria scenes so it wouldn't even be wasting time in a creative sense.

You may be right about the choice to delete the videos or not, but that would be kind of... boring? Doing that ending just to please overly sensitive players sounds like flushing a cliffhanger down the toilet.

To be honest, I don't remember the information about Edwin watching these videos for over a decade. I myself am curious at what age Edwin started to withdraw into himself in high school and if it has anything to do with what Victoria did in the past. Before or after.

The video stops being blurry probably because Edwin is approaching the stage where reality will come into contact with his beliefs. As for watching the videos, he has justified it more than once by saying that he doesn't want to look down on other people, because his mother did the same thing. At the end of the episode, before deciding whether to delete the videos or not, he wondered what prompted Vicky to confess to the past and this video popped up in his head

 

[Simpgor]

You may be right about the choice to delete the videos or not, but that would be kind of... boring? Doing that ending just to please overly sensitive players sounds like flushing a cliffhanger down the toilet.

To be honest, I don't remember the information about Edwin watching these videos for over a decade. I myself am curious at what age Edwin started to withdraw into himself in high school and if it has anything to do with what Victoria did in the past. Before or after.

The video stops being blurry probably because Edwin is approaching the stage where reality will come into contact with his beliefs. As for watching the videos, he has justified it more than once by saying that he doesn't want to look down on other people, because his mother did the same thing. At the end of the episode, before deciding whether to delete the videos or not, he wondered what prompted Vicky to confess to the past and this video popped up in his head

1. It's not ending though? In my game Edwin deleted the videos but him and Victoria are still going to talk about it same as if you keep them? Are you planning on telling her Edwin is keeping her tapes?

2. He confessed to Hana (in the violet/purple room?) that he found them "while a teenager" and considering he is in his early 20s it would be about 10 years since he found the first video, its unlikely that the porn made him "withdraw" because the firestarter/sticky fingers/voyeur event takes place before that and its how his mother feels/reacts to that "makes him withrdaw" (more accurately stop being a violent misbehaved shit).

3. Uh no...... the video is blurry only for the player..... if it was blurry for Edwin why would he tell himself to repeatedly not think about the producer guy fucking Victoria? Or possibly freak out should he call him "son"? The whole update is playing one (or maybe two) "Victoria scene" its just split into parts for the player..... again tapes that Edwin has had for YEARS

Unless I misunderstand you are saying something like this?
Edwin finds "blurry" tape (he can see it normally) at "teenage" (13-19)
Edwin watches the tape (and others) a whole lot between then and the start of the game
Edwin has forgotten or "blurred" the tape in his head in the past few months?
Edwin needs to keep the tape to unblur the traumatic thing in his head? Despite the fact that he cant be blocking it out because of previous points

 

[GamingSavant]

You may be right about the choice to delete the videos or not, but that would be kind of... boring? Doing that ending just to please overly sensitive players sounds like flushing a cliffhanger down the toilet.

To be honest, I don't remember the information about Edwin watching these videos for over a decade. I myself am curious at what age Edwin started to withdraw into himself in high school and if it has anything to do with what Victoria did in the past. Before or after.

The video stops being blurry probably because Edwin is approaching the stage where reality will come into contact with his beliefs. As for watching the videos, he has justified it more than once by saying that he doesn't want to look down on other people, because his mother did the same thing. At the end of the episode, before deciding whether to delete the videos or not, he wondered what prompted Vicky to confess to the past and this video popped up in his head

If I had to venture a guess, Chuck took advantage of her as part of an agreement for something. Chuck doesn't want to just force bad things onto women he sees as outlets of pleasure, he wants to lord over them. Like with Sophie, Abel taunts him in that he could just give her for a week, no strings attached, but Chuck doesn't want that. He wants to thoroughly beat her in Chess, show he's better than her, before taking her.

The most disturbing thing is Chuck seems to be able to completely separate his desires with his social graces with other people. I think he genuinely likes Edwin and sees part of himself in him, it just happens that he got a taste of Victoria first.

 

[Simpgor]

If I had to venture a guess, Chuck took advantage of her as part of an agreement for something. Chuck doesn't want to just force bad things onto women he sees as outlets of pleasure, he wants to lord over them. Like with Sophie, Abel taunts him in that he could just give her for a week, no strings attached, but Chuck doesn't want that. He wants to thoroughly beat her in Chess, show he's better than her, before taking her.

The most disturbing thing is Chuck seems to be able to completely separate his desires with his social graces with other people. I think he genuinely likes Edwin and sees part of himself in him, it just happens that he got a taste of Victoria first.

I would be shocked if that isnt what happend, its almost outright confirmed with the flashback to the scene showing the security camera (chuck loves watching) but not who is behind it (financially or literally), combined with the fact that Charles told Grace "everything" and she is calling her whore etc I dont see many other things that fit all 3 things (who was watching, who would tell grace, what could Victoria have done to be a whore in her eyes).

Big agree on the last paragraph and it goes way way beyond just separating them from the social situation, he is able to more or less completely ignore/suppress/not act on his plentiful urges even when Sophie's bullshit magic perfume is in play (one of the reasons she says chuck is legitimately frightening). I could easily see him having done stuff with Victoria both before he met and during Edwin's HS years, without a hint of maliciousness towards Edwin.

 

[lustforsex]

1. It's not ending though? In my game Edwin deleted the videos but him and Victoria are still going to talk about it same as if you keep them? Are you planning on telling her Edwin is keeping her tapes?

2. He confessed to Hana (in the violet/purple room?) that he found them "while a teenager" and considering he is in his early 20s it would be about 10 years since he found the first video, its unlikely that the porn made him "withdraw" because the firestarter/sticky fingers/voyeur event takes place before that and its how his mother feels/reacts to that "makes him withrdaw" (more accurately stop being a violent misbehaved shit).

3. Uh no...... the video is blurry only for the player..... if it was blurry for Edwin why would he tell himself to repeatedly not think about the producer guy fucking Victoria? Or possibly freak out should he call him "son"? The whole update is playing one (or maybe two) "Victoria scene" its just split into parts for the player..... again tapes that Edwin has had for YEARS

Unless I misunderstand you are saying something like this?
Edwin finds "blurry" tape (he can see it normally) at "teenage" (13-19)
Edwin watches the tape (and others) a whole lot between then and the start of the game
Edwin has forgotten or "blurred" the tape in his head in the past few months?
Edwin needs to keep the tape to unblur the traumatic thing in his head? Despite the fact that he cant be blocking it out because of previous points

Just for the player?

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He has these tapes, but he most likely watched them once and that is the reason why he does not remember them well. But those tapes that were before meeting Donovan, he watched regularly, because it fits with his beliefs.

While a teenager =/= Over a decade. Are you saying he saw first video when he was 11 or 12? I think you need more specifics, otherwise your memory may be a little blurry