VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[ffive]

Well, if you say so, here's my idea: there should be an obscure story route that requires making the most horrendous choices in the game, leading to an ending where Edwin somehow gets all the girls but in reality, he's just dreaming in a coma after getting hit by a car in front of the club. That would be the ultimate troll for anyone asking for a harem ending! lol

I mean if we're going wild, i kind of want an ending that's skips a year and we find ourselves with Hana, Edwin and Ian overseeing the start of next edition of the Exhibition, staring Chuck, August and Samson. Kat can keep her old job as the show host, for all i care.

 

[Turret]

Well, if you say so, here's my idea: there should be an obscure story route that requires making the most horrendous choices in the game, leading to an ending where Edwin somehow gets all the girls but in reality, he's just dreaming in a coma after getting hit by a car in front of the club. That would be the ultimate troll for anyone asking for a harem ending! lol

That is also like in the movie "Brazil", where the hero has a great ending - until we see that he is still sitting in his "advanced interrogation" chair and the interrogators broke him mentally.

 

[Unreal434]

I mean if we're going wild, i kind of want an ending that's skips a year and we find ourselves with Hana, Edwin and Ian overseeing the start of next edition of the Exhibition, staring Chuck, August and Samson. Kat can keep her old job as the show host, for all i care.

I would like to see something like this but more happy-vanilla and less of a joke ending. Edwin and Hana with the help of the house girls taking over the club and turning it into something beautiful.
Less perverted hags and geezers and more respect towards the lewd arts and those who perform them.

 

[Ungawa]

WTF? Ford is joining the fucking club? I bet that was the ending cliffhanger for an update. I’m starting to hate this Kathleen bitch more and more. I really hope the author strays from realism and gives her a grueling ending. Like seriously, what the hell? And this comes right after the Felicia date, just when they made us care about her even more. I have to admit, that was brilliant. Let’s see where this goes.

Yep, she's a quality villain.

Gotta respect the hustle.

 

[bonerland]

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EDIT: Btw, Gremlins 2 IS a better movie than Gremlins.

We all know that the Veronica date is your favorite because of the Spider-Man 3 gremlin dance.

 

[ruby_rubicon]

That is also like in the movie "Brazil", where the hero has a great ending - until we see that he is still sitting in his "advanced interrogation" chair and the interrogators broke him mentally.

Spoilers for those that haven't watched that amazing movie.

But to be frank, there's many movies nowadays that have that "twas all a dream" bittersweet ending.

 

[Ozymandias037]

That is also like in the movie "Brazil", where the hero has a great ending - until we see that he is still sitting in his "advanced interrogation" chair and the interrogators broke him mentally.

Such a great, great movie.

 

[pinuz1]

Yep, she's a quality villain.

Gotta respect the hustle.

Can I be honest, I've never considered Kath the villain of the story , I guess you could say she is? but depending on how you look at it, Edwin could be just as evil as her, if not more, depending on your choices.

You can tell Rose you'll accept the deal and help her, and then make sure she loses every week, you can also get her to be in debt with the club when she asks you for money, you can learn about the schemes Samson pulled to fuck Veronicas gym and then never tell her nor do anything about it, you can cheat on Mina right after she has been cheated on by your best friend, you can cheat on Hana after telling her you'll be there for her. (I'm guessing all of these will be possible in the future) And I can't quite think of something really evil you could to do Felicia yet actually , but you can very well fuck the lives of every single one of these girls.

To me Kathleen is just another character that helps move the strings that make the club work, but is not directly responsable for everything, but who knows, maybe the fact Kathleen rewards us with amazing sex is the reason I don't see her as a villain lol.

 

[Turret]

Nothing is set in stone, everything's a work in progress. Hell, there's been a few times when a scene I was currently writing ended up going in directions I did not anticipate. Sometimes the things you plan out well in advance just doesn't get there; the writing doesn't sufficiently support it or your understanding of a character changes. Things that might sound juicy or compelling in a vacuum a year out can seem hokey or unearned when it comes time to pull the trigger. Sometimes a new "better" idea hits you in a moment of serendipity. There's maybe even been a time where discussion surrounding a plot development helped me see the folly of a plan in a way I couldn't refute.

All that to belabor the point that the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry. Being able to adjust on the fly is a distinct advantage of serialized releasing. So yeah... endings I planned out more than 5 years ago, that we're not gonna get to for another few years... are certainly subject to addition and subtraction. I don't invite people to send me their ideas, but I do read everything posted here, so if you want to throw out wild or hopeful ideas in the name of discussion, it'll get to my brain.

Hi TD1900 !

Thanks again that we can bring in our ideas!
Considering that I seem to have gotten a certain reputation in the thread (but why?), my first entry is obvious. That it will be possible to get into a relationship with Sophia Lundgren and an end with them strolling down the street with their kid(s).

The second tentry is that we can see Professor of History Killian Beaumont, just how you will depict and describe him would be great. More later.

 

[labmouseblues]

Edwin could be just as evil as her, if not more, depending on your choices.

I think I missed the part where the protagonist engages in enterprise level institutional corruption, pimping, illegal human experiments and quite possibly murder?

 

[Idontplay]

Can I be honest, I've never considered Kath the villain of the story
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To me Kathleen is just another character that helps move the strings that make the club work, but is not directly responsable for everything, but who knows, maybe the fact Kathleen rewards us with amazing sex is the reason I don't see her as a villain lol.

Is the driver a robber like the other guys, who actually did the robbery? In the end he was just driving the car used to escape from the bank.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

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EDIT: Btw, Gremlins 2 IS a better movie than Gremlins.

I don´t even know what the discussion is, I´m just happy to see a Key and Peele reference.

 

[slightchance]

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[Ungawa]

Can I be honest, I've never considered Kath the villain of the story , I guess you could say she is? but depending on how you look at it, Edwin could be just as evil as her, if not more, depending on your choices.

You can tell Rose you'll accept the deal and help her, and then make sure she loses every week, you can also get her to be in debt with the club when she asks you for money, you can learn about the schemes Samson pulled to fuck Veronicas gym and then never tell her nor do anything about it, you can cheat on Mina right after she has been cheated on by your best friend, you can cheat on Hana after telling her you'll be there for her. (I'm guessing all of these will be possible in the future) And I can't quite think of something really evil you could to do Felicia yet actually , but you can very well fuck the lives of every single one of these girls.

To me Kathleen is just another character that helps move the strings that make the club work, but is not directly responsable for everything, but who knows, maybe the fact Kathleen rewards us with amazing sex is the reason I don't see her as a villain lol.

TD pointed this out long ago, but Kath keeps the story moving. She's not a "villain", she's determined in her goals. Just like every other Carnation in the game. What Kath shows you is what you are if you're honest in what you are. And for her, that's her sadism. Remember in the diner that Edwin spells it out for us in that every girl had one singular thing in common and that's their determination.

And in the world of The Club, this is Kathleen's domain. So give her credit where she's due. Veronica may be the strongest, but by the exhibition, Kathleen had her about as limp as she was with the 3 orgasms. She's evil. She knows. But that bitch will hit you with a receipt and interest at your weakest point once she finds it out.

Finally, the point is that Edwin is sort of caught between two mothers on that level: Kathleen, the sadistic evil side, and Victoria, the caring, nurturing side. Two relationships that are two dichotomies and two choices for the tale.

No, it's not like he can boink them both. That's what Rosalind is for. But at the very start, the choice of sadism versus nurture is one of the largest dichotomies the game builds on and is representative with the characters. Remember though, Kathleen's foil, her sister, is dead. This means, she grew without something to counterbalance that weight and knows exactly what she is with the consequences being something she can alleviate with the power and authority she has.

Plus... Big tits.

I'm a caveman. You know what I'm going for.

 

[TheWalkingChinko]

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[UmbralKnight]

Nothing is set in stone, everything's a work in progress. Hell, there's been a few times when a scene I was currently writing ended up going in directions I did not anticipate. Sometimes the things you plan out well in advance just doesn't get there; the writing doesn't sufficiently support it or your understanding of a character changes. Things that might sound juicy or compelling in a vacuum a year out can seem hokey or unearned when it comes time to pull the trigger. Sometimes a new "better" idea hits you in a moment of serendipity. There's maybe even been a time where discussion surrounding a plot development helped me see the folly of a plan in a way I couldn't refute.

All that to belabor the point that the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry. Being able to adjust on the fly is a distinct advantage of serialized releasing. So yeah... endings I planned out more than 5 years ago, that we're not gonna get to for another few years... are certainly subject to addition and subtraction. I don't invite people to send me their ideas, but I do read everything posted here, so if you want to throw out wild or hopeful ideas in the name of discussion, it'll get to my brain.

now that's a pleasant surprise
so you're telling me that there is still a VERY good chance that we could still get a wholesome ending with Veronica?

I can live with that kind of delusional hope.

also speaking of throwing out ideas out in the open
all i have is a suggestion.
maybe lean more into the noir style that the game was clearly going for during the early segments.

It worked very well for the story both thematically and structurally.
even now the setting is a perfect fit for a classic noir story
imagine this
a private detective gets hired by an aggrieved party (could be something like a previous carnation candidate or relative of someone who was hurt by the carnations club-

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) and he gets tasked with infiltrating the club and takedown the whole thing one way or another.

this doesn't even have to be a sequel or prequel
It could happen in parallel with the current story.

maybe the private detective has already infiltrated the place it could be ANYONE (like

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)for example

and who knows he could even burn down the whole club (both literally and metaphorically) during the final event and using this as an excuse our current MC and his LI can finally escape from the club and it's patrons
Maybe live happily ever after far far away away.

I know this sounds very amateurish and very fanfic-esque but I really love the noir elements of the game.


TLDR

I REALLY wish someday you write/create some kind of noir AVN game.

 

[camube]

Nothing is set in stone, everything's a work in progress. Hell, there's been a few times when a scene I was currently writing ended up going in directions I did not anticipate. Sometimes the things you plan out well in advance just doesn't get there; the writing doesn't sufficiently support it or your understanding of a character changes. Things that might sound juicy or compelling in a vacuum a year out can seem hokey or unearned when it comes time to pull the trigger. Sometimes a new "better" idea hits you in a moment of serendipity. There's maybe even been a time where discussion surrounding a plot development helped me see the folly of a plan in a way I couldn't refute.

All that to belabor the point that the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry. Being able to adjust on the fly is a distinct advantage of serialized releasing. So yeah... endings I planned out more than 5 years ago, that we're not gonna get to for another few years... are certainly subject to addition and subtraction. I don't invite people to send me their ideas, but I do read everything posted here, so if you want to throw out wild or hopeful ideas in the name of discussion, it'll get to my brain.

endings suggestion:
let us have the ending of 1) burn the club
and 2) let Hana Edwin and Ian inherit the club and maximum debauchery
and heck, 3) let Edwin and Rose inherit the club and usurp it from Hana and Ian, lol

 

[Kameri]

That is also like in the movie "Brazil", where the hero has a great ending - until we see that he is still sitting in his "advanced interrogation" chair and the interrogators broke him mentally.

Your reply made me watch the movie—overall, it was good, a solid 6/10. I might’ve rated it higher if I hadn’t been spoiled about the ending, lol.

 

[Beduin123]

That rooftop scene and the art exhibition are 100% why Felicia is my favorite character and one of my top 2 LIs (well that and she's hot af but shhh) I don't usually go for the blonde ones but goddamn is she well written and a fantastic character.

While I'm a 100% with you, I just can't see how her path wouldn't end in a disaster. So, I moved for a Hana/Mina throuple supporter (as I always loved throuple dynamics) And they're both so cute.

 

[Niuul]

While I'm a 100% with you, I just can't see how her path wouldn't end in a disaster. So, I moved for a Hana/Mina throuple supporter (as I always loved throuple dynamics) And they're both so cute.

"you can't just pick both. you have to pick one or the other!"...