VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[slightchance]

But most importantly, who wouldn't prefer Gouda to Brie!?

Stranded on an island, a wheel of Brie can be used as a soft pillow. Sleeping with a Gouda? No, thank you.

 

[ruby_rubicon]

Stranded on an island, a wheel of Brie can be used as a soft pillow. Sleeping with a Gouda? No, thank you.

Of course! Why didn't I think of that!? You're right. Then a mattress of Fontina, and a blanket of provolone with a duvet of Oaxaca.

Veering off-topic so BEWBS SPLIT THE RELEASE NOW VICTORIA NEEDS THE MONEY.

 

[Silver2301]

Damn a civil war broke out here.

 

[se20299]

At this point, I think it was a mistake to ask the opinion of the fans at all. The best option would've been for TD to pick a choice and stick to it, because whatever he chooses right now will leave a portion of the fans unhappy because he made such a huge show of making fans choose.

I know both him and GIL value transparency, but until the exibition comes out, this thread will be insufferable for the foreseeable future, no matter what.

 

[Discrepancy]

I know both him and GIL value transparency, but until the exibition comes out, this thread will be insufferable for the foreseeable future, no matter what.

I kinda disagree with this, I think the discussion will cease if TD and GIL decide to release early, and I say this as someone that favors mostly the wait camp. If they decide to release early the people that want to wait will just wait, or like me accept and gladly play it as soon as available. But if they decide they won't split I can see this discussion lasting for much longer yeah.

 

[DarkLords00]

I kinda disagree with this, I think the discussion will cease if TD and GIL decide to release early, and I say this as someone that favors mostly the wait camp. If they decide to release early the people that want to wait will just wait, or like me accept and gladly play it as soon as available. But if they decide they won't split I can see this discussion lasting for much longer yeah.

Unfortunately, the results of the poll may muddy the waters with some patreons if they choose to split and relase the update early.

If some of the supporters(Which are in the "Relase it all in one go" camp) think the cutoff point was at a less than desirable time or they find the content of the update not up to their expectations they may passive aggresively engage with the others that thought the split was the better idea.

It's a catch 22, whichever choice they make someone is going to be dissapointed, unfortunately.

I've already expressed my view on the topic so I won't speak anymore but I sincerely hope whichever choice TD and GIL make will be the one that ends up being better for the future reputation of the game as well as themselves.

As for those who may be dissapointed with what they chose to do in the end, PLEASE don't create drama or fights with either the developers or other players and/or supporters. If it's spoilers that trouble you, just try to find some other thing to occupy your time while waiting for both parts of the update.

 

[TD1900]

Guys don't get me wrong, we take this choice seriously, but it's not so dramatic I think. I've said it myself that opening a poll will likely create some new hurt feelings, but there was going to be people disappointed by a half-day update or a long wait time no matter what. I actually think posing that poll helps us gets out ahead of the conversation and signify that whatever we arrive at was done mindfully. Getting our patrons to think about the decision might even engender some understanding of the thought process that goes into it.

At the very least, it's made me appreciate our supporters more with all the thought they've put into the discussion and the well wishing of the project no matter what. One or two comments have actually made me tear up, in a good way. So even if it does bite us in the ass somewhat, eh. Positives and negatives.

 

[The Senior Perv]

So we're still having the discussion about the update being released earlier or sooner. Fortunately I'm one of those who, while wanting the release taking the time it needs to be completed, is also okay if devs decide to split the update.

I suppose it was bound to happen. After all, Mutt & Jeff are:

Some people are gonna get disappointed or/and angry regardless of what they choose. There's nothing to do to about that. But as I mentioned in the poll, whatever they decide, I'm in... and besides, those devlogs and wallpapers aren't going to be shared by themselves.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

Damn a civil war broke out here.

If only all civil wars were like this one.

At this point, I think it was a mistake to ask the opinion of the fans at all. The best option would've been for TD to pick a choice and stick to it, because whatever he chooses right now will leave a portion of the fans unhappy because he made such a huge show of making fans choose.

I know both him and GIL value transparency, but until the exibition comes out, this thread will be insufferable for the foreseeable future, no matter what.

Did I misread the Devlog that started all this debate? I think TD said that regardless of what people said, they were just going to do what they wanted anyway, they were just asking out of curiosity.
See, here it is:

We might actually do a poll on this, not to definitively let you guys make the choice for us, but to satiate our curiosity on what the silent portion of our supporters would prefer.

 

[sunaboz]

As I've said earlier, I prefer to wait but whatever devs will decide I'll support it. If it was any other update I might have opted for the split but this is THE update (update of all updates, the one that will dwarf all previous ones) so full day would be better IMO. This will make the release so much more satisfying and people won't lose anything really (patrons who pay monthly would pay anyway the same amount and those who pay on release only will only benefit, hence I will go with the highest tier once the game releases, assuming there won't be a split). There are literally hundreds of porn games for those who feel the itch and have nothing better to do, this game though is art (in fact it's better than most contemporary "art").

I really like TM's suggestion and consider it a compromise:

I say take your time and do the exhibition as a whole, but then maybe plan a much smaller update right after it, something you can knock out in a quicker than usual time period. That could vary things up a little bit.

Ultimately it all comes down to what devs feel is best because while we won't lose a thing devs might. So my advice is that if you're on a fence just literally flip a coin and decide that way. Heads for the split and tails for the huge update and if it will be tails and you will have an inclination to go again just go with your gut and do the split (or vice versa).

P.S.
4 years ago (21.07.2025 -

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) TD and GIL had also such a dilemma and this was my response:

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The difference was that Hana event and Felicia event were only loosely connected and wouldn't disrupt the flow of the story at all while exhibition is a special case.

 

[DankMemesAndCreams]

These N'Wah are desecrating ancient Dunmer culture...

...and Christian culture, unless I'm very much mistaken. Somehow not the weirdest art assets I've seen in a VN, but still.


I recognize this one -

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[ArtoriasAWF]

Ideas for the next polls:

1. Would we lose you as a paid member if we decided to split the update regardless of the last poll's outcome?
a) Yes.
b) No.

2. We love Hana as much as you do. Would you still play the game if she gets written out of the story?
a) Yes, she isn't an integral part of the story
b) No, I like her too much. Let's split the update.

3. Splitting the update won't change the overall quality of the game.
a) I agree.
b) No, I don't think so.

4. In a world where the average consumer has an increasingly short attention span, wouldn't splitting the next update be the more sensible option?
a) Yes, I strongly agree.
b) I actually prefer Gouda over Brie.

I don't know what's going on, but someone can explain to me? And i want to make it clear, if they cut Hana from main story i'll never touch this game again

I really only play this game because of her.

 

[Discrepancy]

I don't know what's going on, but someone can explain to me? And i want to make it clear, if they cut Hana from main story as MC gf i'll never touch this game again

I really only play this game because of her.

It was a joke, Hana will never be cut from the game don't worry

 

[ArtoriasAWF]

It was a joke, Hana will never be cut from the game don't worry

I'm glad to know, thanks friend

 

[alex13_zen]

On a Mina lovers path, is it a bad idea to also pursue Hana? I wrongly remembered we could turn her down when she asks us to go on a date but there's actually no choice there.

 

[The Senior Perv]

On a Mina lovers path, is it a bad idea to also pursue Hana? I wrongly remembered we could turn her down when she asks us to go on a date but there's actually no choice there.

You have to choose the fuckbuddies route with Hana instead of the girlfriend route. You go for the latter while trying to keep Mina and you'll burn your bridges with the two girls.

 

[alex13_zen]

You have to choose the fuckbuddies route with Hana instead of the girlfriend route. You go for the latter while trying to keep Mina and you'll burn your bridges with the two girls.

That's what I was afraid of, thanks. I already have an older save for the fuckbuddies route and wanted to try something different on this new playthrough.

I guess I'll have to not get involved with Felicia either. But is it possible to go that painting event as friends? I liked it and would rather not miss it if possible.

 

[pinuz1]

That's what I was afraid of, thanks. I already have an older save for the fuckbuddies route and wanted to try something different on this new playthrough.

I guess I'll have to not get involved with Felicia either. But is it possible to go that painting event as friends? I liked it and would rather not miss it if possible.

Yes, you can go to the painting event as friends, the game lets you warn Felicia you don't want to cheat on your new gf, also, currently there's no punishment for cheating either, so if you are lazy you could still fuck around with all the girls even in the Hana GF path and nothing bad will happen (yet), you can correct this mistake later on in another save file, also the upcoming update should have Hana GF route exclusive scenes, so that's something to look forward to.

 

[alex13_zen]

Yes, you can go to the painting event as friends, the game lets you warn Felicia you don't want to cheat on your new gf, also, currently there's no punishment for cheating either, so if you are lazy you could still fuck around with all the girls even in the Hana GF path and nothing bad will happen (yet), you can correct this mistake later on in another save file, also the upcoming update should have Hana GF route exclusive scenes, so that's something to look forward to.

I try to keep cheating to a minimum, I have 3 saves including this latest one where the main objective is Mina as girlfriend.

But from MrBubu's walkthrough it seems that in order to not get involved with Hana, you need to turn her down when she invites you to her concert. This sucks because what she tells us is "Plus, they're more likely to invite us back. Do a girl a favor?".

Refusing to help Hana there makes us total douchebags and I can't do that to my favorite girl. I guess Mina will just have to be upset and break up with me eventually. I wish the dev had handled it better.

 

[pinuz1]

I try to keep cheating to a minimum, I have 3 saves including this latest one where the main objective is Mina as girlfriend.

But from MrBubu's walkthrough it seems that in order to not get involved with Hana, you need to turn her down when she invites you to her concert. This sucks because what she tells us is "Plus, they're more likely to invite us back. Do a girl a favor?".

Refusing to help Hana there makes us total douchebags and I can't do that to my favorite girl. I guess Mina will just have to be upset and break up with me eventually. I wish the dev had handled it better.

Ehhh I'm not totally sure, but if you fuck up in the Hana date I think you don't get to fuck her, so you could still help Hana out and not have to get intimate with her for you Mina route, but tbh, you could still fuck around with Hana, stay as fuck buddies, and once stuff with Mina becomes official I'm sure you'll be given the option to opt out of romantic stuff with the other girls like it happened with Hana.