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labmouseblues

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Hana once in control could get by "renting out" PC for the girls working there as their "workplace".
Again, depending on location, renting property for the explicit purpose of facilitating prostitution can be illegal.

A moot point really, as PC is set in the US and prostitution itself is illegal across all states (there's probably an exception, this being the US of A), and so are brothels. It's not really possible for the club to function the way it does and not make the eagle ill.

And yeah, I meant Dalia. Not sure why I said Andrea. Which one is Andrea anyway?
 

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Again, depending on location, renting property for the explicit purpose of facilitating prostitution can be illegal.

A moot point really, as PC is set in the US and prostitution itself is illegal across all states (there's probably an exception, this being the US of A), and so are brothels. It's not really possible for the club to function the way it does and not make the eagle ill.

And yeah, I meant Dalia. Not sure why I said Andrea. Which one is Andrea anyway?
Hi again! I am not an American, but I think Nevada is an exception with their "happy ranches and hotels".;) Andrea is our resident ray of sunshine, the perky redheaded part time house girl.
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Who do you think would be most rational choice for Edwin's long time partner?

1) Hana - while she's fan's favourite I don't think she would be a good choice in the long term, especially if Edwin would like to have a real family (with kids that is). Since her mother has Huntington's disease it is likely she will have it too (and even if not her then her children). She's also a criminal basically so there would always be a chance that she would end up in jail (it remains to be seen if she would be left alone once August would be gone and she would have sold her shares). And even though she doesn't have to worry about competition from other crime organisations while August lives, once he's gone she wouldn't have manpower or connections that he has (that could change of course but that would require her to break bad fully and even then she wouldn't be able to reach the status that August has).

2) Mina - now that's a good catch and the best candidate for Edwin IMO. Although I would prefer her to go back to Killian, from a logical point of view she would be the best choice. She's young, intelligent, has a brother (and a good brother-in-law is a treasure) and is steadily building up her career. She also comes from a fairly wealthy family which never hurts. She's a loyal partner too with not much experience (Ian and Edwin and that's it). I could elaborate further but I don't want to make this post a wall of text so I'll stop here.

3) Veronica - the worst choice of all the characters IMO. She's bisexual for starters (and skews towards women at that), with tendency to having many partners (she goes to the club to pick up girls regularly). She's also divorced, has short temper and has a huge debt.

4) Rose - as bad of a choice as Veronica, mainly because she has a kid so Edwin would always be someone much less precious to her. She's also not too bright, has a debt and in general is a very bad long-time partner material.

5) Felicia - even though she's my favourite character I don't think she would be the best choice, though out of all carnations she's the best candidate (but with the bar being so low that doesn't say much). She's intelligent, sophisticated, has no children of her own and has no debts for once. IIRC, she's the only one with higher education out of the people above (she's psychology major).

6) Sophia - she's super intelligent, beautiful, fairly young (younger than Veronica even) and is single. The problem is she seems to be fucked up in the head (at least from what we've seen so far). Still, out of all women that we've seen in PC she would be the best choice for a long time partner for Edwin (excluding Mina). The question is - would she even be interested in Edwin in that way?

7) Lucy - after Felicia the hottest character in the whole game IMO but when it comes to wife material she's less than optimal (mainly due to her having children).

I won't mention other prostitutes (like Andrea, who is sweet and super hot at the same time) or characters above forty (like Grace, who is my favourite MILF) since they are not the most logical choices (the heart wants what the heart wants, here I'm speculating who would be the best candidate on paper).

One of the things I took into account were hobbies and skills those women have and Hana and Sophia win this by far. On the other end of the spectrum is Veronica, it always cracks me up when she says she's a life coach :D. Oh, and thank you TD for adding the "Life coach?" option:
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Kathleen. 10-20 years of glorious GILF sex living out his dark side. Then put her in a nursing home with a divorce. Marry the one true bae, Veronica, once she had her fill of tacos. Get swole and buy a corvette living the best life.:sneaky::love::cool:
 
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Turret

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Why not Texas? Nevada is wasteland
I do not make the laws in the US. I know that Nevada has some very liberal laws opposite most US States concerning prostitution with their special ranches and hotels, but I do not know if Texas has similar ones. There might be a famous theatre piece about the "best little whorehouse in Texas", but I am not sure the law situation supports it.:)
 

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As we all agreed at the end of a dispute some time ago, all the game characters - males and females - are damaged goods. So, the proper answer would be: none.
(anyway, Hana & Mina are the only available choices, in fact)

Buuuuuuut... since this is an erotic story, the real proper answer is: boobies!
While I agree with you that Hana and Mina are the only reasonable choices, why not both Hana AND Mina? I'm always for a nice loving throuple.
 

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Dev Diary 99??
I do not know the exact number of Dev diaries we had so far, but if your question means when the diary will be here in the forum, it won´t take long. We always get them from Seniorperv, with statistics provided by ename144.
 

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It probably would make this game quite boring and predictable if they got out scot-free on every path.
i am not saying that they should ALL get an alternate way out
just a didn't want my favourite character to be beaten up like a dead horse that is all ;)

When our strong willed heroines face their challenges it's okay to suffer a little as well. But maybe it's you who needs an easy out more than they do, eh? :p
Very Good Argument
but here is the counter argument
I expect some bad endings because the inspiration for PL are Sei Shoujo works, Bible Black, Discipline, Starless... there are some dark shit in those works. But so far PL is not as extreme as some of those, so I'm pretty sure snuff is off the table.
^ as mentioned here
you do know how dark ,twisted and depraved the endings are in the games mentioned above that inspired Pale Carnations right ?

surely you wouldn't want something like THAT to happen to any of your favorite LIs right ?

or
maybe i am just softhearted towards character I like/love

only once did I get enough points to invite Veronica after an exhibition despite playing a nice Edwin who wants to help the three carnations.
And that one time was with specifically playing towards these points, making some decisions I would not choose otherwise.
I am not entirely sure who tried min maxxing Veronica route but i do distinctively remember them mentioning that it was still possible to go to on a date with her even if the MC had cummed on her face before in week 1
the only choice that has huge negative impact on her stats is pissing on her during the exhibition but somehow he found a way to min-max his way even that
I remember this because he asked the devs not to "fix" this stat
I am not sure if it's still possible but i am pretty sure even without min-maxing you can get the current Veronica fairly easily
Who do you think would be most rational choice for Edwin's long time partner?
well as a Veronica fan i hate to admit it
but the answer is probably Hana

Hana and the MC are not only in the same age bracket but neither one of them feel stigmatised that their lover is working in a sex club (atleast as of now)

unlike other LIs they don't have to hide what they're doing
they're fully aware of each other's family background and even have mutual "friends" like ian who is part of both "worlds" so to speak

and both of them could potentially end up running the club in future if everything else fails for them

Veronica - the worst choice of all the characters IMO. She's bisexual for starters (and skews towards women at that), with tendency to having many partners (she goes to the club to pick up girls regularly). She's also divorced, has short temper and has a huge debt.
every LI in this game except for rose is either bisexual or has had some kind of fling in the past with women

secondly she started picking up random women up in the Bar only AFTER her divorce and only because of how lonely and stressed she felt after joining the club as a carnation

speaking of her divorce atleast she didn't cheat on her wife and still talks to her even after what happened

other carnations like Felicia or Rose are worse off in that regard

the debt thing is a real problem though
her temper tones down significantly as the MC gets to know her throughout the game
she is very hostile in the beginning not so much later even if you're not on her path
 

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I am not entirely sure who tried min maxxing Veronica route but i do distinctively remember them mentioning that it was still possible to go to on a date with her even if the MC had cummed on her face before in week 1
the only choice that has huge negative impact on her stats is pissing on her during the exhibition but somehow he found a way to min-max his way even that
I remember this because he asked the devs not to "fix" this stat
I am not sure if it's still possible but i am pretty sure even without min-maxing you can get the current Veronica fairly easily
Interesting info, thanks! But still I am usually 1-2 points short of the number needed to invite her after that disastrous (for her) exhibition. And I might underline that I am playing a nice Edwin who wants to help her. I think that minmaxing towards Veronica only functions if you are going into her direction generally. I normally concentrate on other LIs, that might be it, so I do not get choices I need for these few points more.
 

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you do know how dark ,twisted and depraved the endings are in the games mentioned above that inspired Pale Carnations right ?
I've skipped through Starless. Didn't like all the fluff and only remember it being long winded and without much variation. Quite the opposite of this game actually. But like I mentioned earlier: Even though I am capable of feeling empathy for our heroines, I don't self-insert. I enjoy them, but they're not my love interests, they're Edwin's.

TD & G have not written themselves into a corner yet. There is enough of lightheartedness (or dare I say hope) peeking through that the story could still end with a surplus of positive vibes if they so wished. The difference between me and you is probably that I would love to see the girls experience everything the club has to offer and more AND be happy about their decision to participate because, hey, there are women who actually do seek those thrills without getting paid for it in RL. Why should Edwin and the men only enjoy those encounters? We'll see if the authors are interested in girls switching sides (not) soon enough or if they stay victims 'til the end.
 

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I've skipped through Starless. Didn't like all the fluff and only remember it being long winded and without much variation. Quite the opposite of this game actually. But like I mentioned earlier: Even though I am capable of feeling empathy for our heroines, I don't self-insert. I enjoy them, but they're not my love interests, they're Edwin's.

TD & G have not written themselves into a corner yet. There is enough of lightheartedness (or dare I say hope) peeking through that the story could still end with a surplus of positive vibes if they so wished. The difference between me and you is probably that I would love to see the girls experience everything the club has to offer and more AND be happy about their decision to participate because, hey, there are women who actually do seek those thrills without getting paid for it in RL. Why should Edwin and the men only enjoy those encounters? We'll see if the authors are interested in girls switching sides (not) soon enough or if they stay victims 'til the end.
I'm fine with girls *enjoying* sex with multiple men (and we know Mina is interested in it), but I have no idea why you would expect any of our heroines to enjoy such an experience in the Club. That was the mistake Felicia made when she severely underestimated Kathleen's sadism. Maybe if the MC winds up ousting Kat we could see a 'kinder and gentler' Club that encourages such things, but that would probably have to be in the epilogues. Until then I think we're stuck with extracurricular events (like the threesome with Killian) or grudging tolerance of Club events (similar to Felicia in the second Exhibition) for this sort of thing.
 

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I'm fine with girls *enjoying* sex with multiple men (and we know Mina is interested in it), but I have no idea why you would expect any of our heroines to enjoy such an experience in the Club.
I'm not saying it's going to happen, far from it. It's wishful thinking on my behalf. I don't know which routes they've planned out and which story elements are important to them. I could see a change of attitude through the miracle drug and new management but all I really meant to say is that there's a none zero-chance the women aren't capable of enjoying what they go through, especially if the circumstances were a bit different (case in point: getting slapped by your parent <> getting slapped by your partner).
 
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I just downloaded the game and tried to run it. It just wouldn't execute, I saw the buffering icon next to my mouse on screen the first few times, as well as a popup that said "smart screen could not be reached right now" and options to run or not run.

I deleted the contents of the 'token' folder in my RenPy folder yesterday. Could that be the reason this game won't run? I haven't downloaded or added any mods, just downloded the game, extracted it and tried to run it.
 

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I just downloaded the game and tried to run it. It just wouldn't execute, I saw the buffering icon next to my mouse on screen the first few times, as well as a popup that said "smart screen could not be reached right now" and options to run or not run.

I deleted the contents of the 'token' folder in my RenPy folder yesterday. Could that be the reason this game won't run? I haven't downloaded or added any mods, just downloded the game, extracted it and tried to run it.
Can you exclude the possibility that the problem is exactly what the message says? SmartScreen is a Windows functionality that tries to identify malicious executables. When you are trying to run a program under Windows while the SmartScreen server is not reachable for some reason, the behavior you describe is exactly what is expected. The SmartScreen server might have been down temporarily, or your firewall might be blocking the connection.
 
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Can you exclude the possibility that the problem is exactly what the message says? SmartScreen is a Windows functionality that tries to identify malicious executables. When you are trying to run a program under Windows while the SmartScreen server is not reachable for some reason, the behavior you describe is exactly what is expected. The SmartScreen server might have been down temporarily, or your firewall might be blocking the connection.

Thanks for a quick reply! However, it was a weird problem but I seem to have solved it completely differently to how I expected. After downloading the zip file of the game, I extracted it and then moved it to a folder I usually keep my VNs. After trying to open it, it wouldn't open. This time I just extracted it where it was, in my downloads.. and it's working. It's quite weird. Now I'm going to try moving the zip file itself to my VN folder and then extracting it there itself and seeing if that works.
 

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I'm fine with girls *enjoying* sex with multiple men (and we know Mina is interested in it), but I have no idea why you would expect any of our heroines to enjoy such an experience in the Club. That was the mistake Felicia made when she severely underestimated Kathleen's sadism. Maybe if the MC winds up ousting Kat we could see a 'kinder and gentler' Club that encourages such things, but that would probably have to be in the epilogues. Until then I think we're stuck with extracurricular events (like the threesome with Killian) or grudging tolerance of Club events (similar to Felicia in the second Exhibition) for this sort of thing.
I am sorry to ask but i heard this game has no ntr/nts but i see the tags and this comment and i am kinda confused is it there or not?
 
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