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The Senior Perv
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Here:
https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-5-public-mutt-jeff.50281/post-17720636
I made a mistake and put 98 instead of 99.
slightchance
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Did I miss it? If it takes them until the release of the next update to decide whether they're going to split it or not it might be too late.
UmbralKnight
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i am not saying that they should ALL get an alternate way out
just a didn't want my favourite character to be beaten up like a dead horse that is all
Very Good ArgumentWhen our strong willed heroines face their challenges it's okay to suffer a little as well. But maybe it's you who needs an easy out more than they do, eh?
but here is the counter argument
^ as mentioned here
you do know how dark ,twisted and depraved the endings are in the games mentioned above that inspired Pale Carnations right ?
surely you wouldn't want something like THAT to happen to any of your favorite LIs right ?
or
maybe i am just softhearted towards character I like/love
I am not entirely sure who tried min maxxing Veronica route but i do distinctively remember them mentioning that it was still possible to go to on a date with her even if the MC had cummed on her face before in week 1
the only choice that has huge negative impact on her stats is pissing on her during the exhibition but somehow he found a way to min-max his way even that
I remember this because he asked the devs not to "fix" this stat
I am not sure if it's still possible but i am pretty sure even without min-maxing you can get the current Veronica fairly easily
well as a Veronica fan i hate to admit it
but the answer is probably Hana
Hana and the MC are not only in the same age bracket but neither one of them feel stigmatised that their lover is working in a sex club (atleast as of now)
unlike other LIs they don't have to hide what they're doing
they're fully aware of each other's family background and even have mutual "friends" like ian who is part of both "worlds" so to speak
and both of them could potentially end up running the club in future if everything else fails for them
every LI in this game except for rose is either bisexual or has had some kind of fling in the past with women
secondly she started picking up random women up in the Bar only AFTER her divorce and only because of how lonely and stressed she felt after joining the club as a carnation
speaking of her divorce atleast she didn't cheat on her wife and still talks to her even after what happened
other carnations like Felicia or Rose are worse off in that regard
the debt thing is a real problem though
her temper tones down significantly as the MC gets to know her throughout the game
she is very hostile in the beginning not so much later even if you're not on her path
Interesting info, thanks! But still I am usually 1-2 points short of the number needed to invite her after that disastrous (for her) exhibition. And I might underline that I am playing a nice Edwin who wants to help her. I think that minmaxing towards Veronica only functions if you are going into her direction generally. I normally concentrate on other LIs, that might be it, so I do not get choices I need for these few points more.
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I've skipped through Starless. Didn't like all the fluff and only remember it being long winded and without much variation. Quite the opposite of this game actually. But like I mentioned earlier: Even though I am capable of feeling empathy for our heroines, I don't self-insert. I enjoy them, but they're not my love interests, they're Edwin's.
TD & G have not written themselves into a corner yet. There is enough of lightheartedness (or dare I say hope) peeking through that the story could still end with a surplus of positive vibes if they so wished. The difference between me and you is probably that I would love to see the girls experience everything the club has to offer and more AND be happy about their decision to participate because, hey, there are women who actually do seek those thrills without getting paid for it in RL. Why should Edwin and the men only enjoy those encounters? We'll see if the authors are interested in girls switching sides (not) soon enough or if they stay victims 'til the end.
ename144
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I'm fine with girls *enjoying* sex with multiple men (and we know Mina is interested in it), but I have no idea why you would expect any of our heroines to enjoy such an experience in the Club. That was the mistake Felicia made when she severely underestimated Kathleen's sadism. Maybe if the MC winds up ousting Kat we could see a 'kinder and gentler' Club that encourages such things, but that would probably have to be in the epilogues. Until then I think we're stuck with extracurricular events (like the threesome with Killian) or grudging tolerance of Club events (similar to Felicia in the second Exhibition) for this sort of thing.
slightchance
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I'm not saying it's going to happen, far from it. It's wishful thinking on my behalf. I don't know which routes they've planned out and which story elements are important to them. I could see a change of attitude through the miracle drug and new management but all I really meant to say is that there's a none zero-chance the women aren't capable of enjoying what they go through, especially if the circumstances were a bit different (case in point: getting slapped by your parent <> getting slapped by your partner).
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I just downloaded the game and tried to run it. It just wouldn't execute, I saw the buffering icon next to my mouse on screen the first few times, as well as a popup that said "smart screen could not be reached right now" and options to run or not run.
I deleted the contents of the 'token' folder in my RenPy folder yesterday. Could that be the reason this game won't run? I haven't downloaded or added any mods, just downloded the game, extracted it and tried to run it.
I deleted the contents of the 'token' folder in my RenPy folder yesterday. Could that be the reason this game won't run? I haven't downloaded or added any mods, just downloded the game, extracted it and tried to run it.
Can you exclude the possibility that the problem is exactly what the message says? SmartScreen is a Windows functionality that tries to identify malicious executables. When you are trying to run a program under Windows while the SmartScreen server is not reachable for some reason, the behavior you describe is exactly what is expected. The SmartScreen server might have been down temporarily, or your firewall might be blocking the connection.
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Thanks for a quick reply! However, it was a weird problem but I seem to have solved it completely differently to how I expected. After downloading the zip file of the game, I extracted it and then moved it to a folder I usually keep my VNs. After trying to open it, it wouldn't open. This time I just extracted it where it was, in my downloads.. and it's working. It's quite weird. Now I'm going to try moving the zip file itself to my VN folder and then extracting it there itself and seeing if that works.
I am sorry to ask but i heard this game has no ntr/nts but i see the tags and this comment and i am kinda confused is it there or not?
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depends on your definition. MC's mom is not an LI but is shown getting fucked on camera a couple times, do what you will with that. Also the carnations may be involved with others during the exhibitions, but not in a typical ntr fashion. That's about it.
Don't forget Ian fucking his caretaker without asking MC for permission or anything and flaunting videos of it. This is pure NTR according to certain folks.
Ottoeight
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Why should you be confused? no ntr tag = no ntr.
Period.
There is only 1 correct definition of ntr:
Ntr = MC is cucked by his/her partner, knows it and suffers about it, and the player enjoys it.
Therefore this game has no ntr.
Why in the world do you guys keep on insisting on this "thing" that this ntr stuff can be anything?
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That's... wrong. NTR doesn't have to involve MC's knowledge. It can be happening 100% behind partner's back and the person being ignorant. It's the player's feelings of "betrayal" (not enjoyment per se, but more the feeling of turmoil and anguish which they can indeed enjoy) which matter.
And the very fact we have this disagreement shows that there isn't 1 correct definition of ntr. Or if there is, it's by no means universal.
Ottoeight
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Nope. And nope.
There is no universal agreement about anything at all.
Anyway, since no one cucks Edwin, this argument is pointless: this game has no ntr simply because no one is cucking our MC.
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you don't have to explain ntr to me, I know the definition. But there are a million users on this site who don't have a freaking clue about it, so I laid out what people may find controversial about this particular game, since their definition of ntr is not necessarily the same as the textbook one, they get offended if they see a dick that doesn't belong to the mc etc and cry ntr. Many of them even confuse nts and ntr. That's it.
That being said, player enjoyment have nothing to do with the genre. Some do, but it's not a requirement
Uhm yes and yes. There are Japanese games literally titled as NTR with these features/plots. The wife gets seduced or otherwise coerced to betray her husband, the husband is entirely oblivious to it, it's the player (who isn't oblivious and gets to see it in all detail) that gets to get "offended" on their behalf.
But in any case yes, it doesn't apply to Edwin and this game, at least for the time being.
ename144
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It really depends on what you mean by NTR. My somewhat glib response is that if it matters enough for you to ask, then the answer is the opposite of whatever you're hoping for.
The less glib answer is that the game does not feature an NPC stealing a LI from the MC (much less focus on the emotional turmoil of such a thing), which means it does not have netorare in the literal sense; people looking for that sort of content will likely be diappointed. On the other hand, the game does feature a lot of men other than the MC having sex with women; to date we haven't seen that happen with a LI, but it's very likely that will eventually happen, too. This is something a lot of players strongly dislike, and since most of those describe the situation (rightly or wrongly) as NTR, plenty of people will dislike this game and cite NTR as the reason.
IMHO, NTR is just too charged a word to convey useful information at this point, so it's better to focus on the specific material you're curious about rather than trust to a confusingly used umbrella term.
Because language is an evolving entity meant to convey information to other people, not some precise technical spec overseen by an impartial arbiter. If enough people decide to use a word in a new way, that's the reality everyone needs to deal with regardless of what our old dictionaries says. Insisting on your own definition in the face of such a divergence only makes the signal to noise ratio worse.
I'm not keen on using NTR as a broad epithet, but no one is going to be dissuaded by ignoring their arguments just to focus on the technicality.