VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[link18]

away from the Hana Sophia disscution and drama above totally agree with Discrepancy this is one of the best updates and the best chapter overall, a huge incentive to replay from the beginning until the next one comes i didnt get a lot of scenes with my good boy Edwin . Thanks again for the Vicky scene; I just hope this isn’t the end of her story. Still, I can understand if it is, given how that conversation went.

 

[Silver2301]

So just cause this game has a focus on the club, automatically we must accept everything. So I guess all girls should be chores. And by the way, there is technically two, during second exhibition you could choose Ian to participate instead, think of how much better the scene could of been and possibly a bit longer if they didn't do that scene and just extended mc scene with her.

During Interview you have to use her and be sadistic to get sexual content, full deal unlocks more sexual stuff like in parking lot and pictures. Last update full deal got non stop blowjob, so romance scene got shorter. So it affects more than just ONE scene for sharing, etc. as you say.

And you can't judge someone's feelings, on how they feel, this is just how I feel right now, with her feeling more side character, I want better for romance path. Just like you have feelings on Veronica, I do dor Rose, you can't judge how someone feels. So just stop responding and let's move on, cause we clearly won't see eye to eye. Hope you have a good day.

I kinda agree rose romance route is kinda small and also she is the only main character who doesnt have a date scene unless i am forgetting something.

 

[Turret]

You can view her as one of the temptresses guiding the protagonist toward a particular kind of behavior. If in the previous update Andrea and her scene served this role, here we see a "double down" with Allisson, she represents the natural next step for the protagonist. From this perspective, choosing Allisson leads down an animalistic path, actively embracing the club's decadence.
In this framework, Sophia offers the viewpoint of an observer and one of the key orchestrators of this "animal world" through her drugs and experiments. However, it’s still unclear how much we can separate Abel from Sophia: does she embody purely the "researcher" aspect, as suggested by her comments about hating all these people, or is she merely opposed to the specific direction of their activities, such as the Viagra-like analogues, rather than something more fundamental.
Kaitlyn would then serve as the complementary half of this guidance: her "games" and "experiments" are driven by her own sensuality and sadism, which she seeks to awaken in Edwin as well.
Hana and her scene with stacks of cash clearly symbolize greed, and I believe she should push Abel back toward vice, not the other way around. After all, gaining a daughter gave him the impetus for reflection and "redemption."
Mina fits perfect into this structure if Edwin follows Kaitlyn’s path, becoming the first recipient of his own experiments.

Hi!
I agree with you that Andrea and Allison follow-up are quite much a way towards the club´s decandence, depravity and wider goals. The "dark" path, so to speak.

But I want to inject that Andrea represents more than just the way to accept the club. Andrea is also a showcase for how comparatively good the club could be without the likes of Kath and Chuck.
Andrea never had a chance from the start of her life. Going by what we know from her family, dysfunctional would be a kind label, which is the reason she is uneducated and never had a chance to develop her talents. Now she is a porn actress and parttime prostitute, but she likes it, has a retained a sunny, friendly disposition and going by what is insinuated, she is comparatively well off. She is also the only housegirl so far calling August by his nickname, that is something we should keep in mind for the whole situation our hero is in.
In many ways, Andrea is Mina through a mirror, "foggy". The club´s version of her. Mina had the luck to get a really good education and options how to develop as an adult. She is a model, aspiring actress on the way to her maybe breakthrough and a sunny, friendly person, if sheltered.
As mentioned above, Andrea is her "club alter ego". No education, far too much wrong "life experience" by her surroundings, adult model, popular porn actress, parttime hooker, but also a sunny, friendly person. The club and adult stuff surrounding it was Andrea´s first chance to gain some semblance of life.
It might be far from good and perfect, but the club could be something more than simply depravity, ambition and moral decay. Chosing Andrea means accepting the club, but not as deep as chosing Allison does. Allison embodies the personal decline of most VIP members, the darkness you have to court to thrive in the den Kath and Chuck created.

Sophia, as I wrote in a post to GIL, in my opinion is the embodiment of the "grey" path. Chosing her is de facto denying the depths of corruption and even evil Allison, Kath and Chuck represent, while also accepting that sometimes the goals justify the means. Sophia loaths the VIP members, what they do and represent. What our hero and she do during the orgy is setting a clear counterpoint. And you as the player also accept Sophia and her way as she is. The amoral(!), calculating, eccentric, nerdy genius with black ops training and indoctrination, shaped to be van Doren´s right hand, sword and successor. The woman who wants to improve and enjoy the world. She will never be the "white" path, but she also will never be the "dark" one. And we can see it by just looking at her. Blond hair and always black clothes.

I also agree with you that Kath tries to use Hana as a way to keep August "in line" and pushed back into the club´s darkness. As Kath observed, gaining Hana changed August. He reflects more about his life and is "drifting away" from the darkest aspects of the club. He even seeks some kind of "redemption", which we can see with enough friendship points. The old August would never have said that the way he forced himself back into Hana´s life was wrong. Or that he is a bad person and insinuated that he did far too many wrong things during is life so far.

 

[Flowing Thought]

Finally, after years of waiting, we get a real sex scene with best girl Sophia. She was so incredible this update, continuing to be a fascinating character with more and more layers to unwrap, and I would have loved a more intimate and private and longer sex scene with her, I understand why it was like this. The cuddling afterward was a nice touch at least.

Hearing that she has a larger role going forward is music to my ears. Only did a single playthrough so far, so need to do more before I really judge things.

 

[Meiri]

Sophia was really weird this update, even weirder than before, was she drugged by Abel when she visited us? The way she acted later at the club was suspicious.

 

[X2JZcf]

Sophia, as I wrote in a post to GIL, in my opinion is the embodiment of the "grey" path. Chosing her is de facto denying the depths of corruption and even evil Allison, Kath and Chuck represent, while also accepting that sometimes the goals justify the means. Sophia loaths the VIP members, what they do and represent. What our hero and she do during the orgy is setting a clear counterpoint. And you as the player also accept Sophia and her way as she is. The amoral(!), calculating, eccentric, nerdy genius with black ops training and indoctrination, shaped to be van Doren´s right hand, sword and successor. The woman who wants to improve and enjoy the world. She will never be the "white" path, but she also will never be the "dark" one. And we can see it by just looking at her. Blond hair and always black clothes.

You'd have to shift the morality scale pretty far toward evil for Sofia to even appear neutral. Her human experiments and shady basement dealings at the club are clearly not charity work. But you could argue that she's like this under Abel's influence, since she fell under an influence similar to the club's at an even younger age than Edwin and Ian.

 

[dolfe67]

Sophia was really weird this update, even weirder than before, was she drugged by Abel when she visited us? The way she acted later at the club was suspicious.

Looks like she's under a brainwashing drug or something

 

[Discrepancy]

brings me to something I remember before based on what some of the Girls said to Edwin about how he hasn't chosen a "Favorite girl" yet, which from what I understand is first dibs/priorities on one of the prostitutes outside exhibition hours when they aren't booked; I hope that comes around to some extent cuz a few of them are nice enough that I wouldn't mind seeing more scenes with. As much as I think Hana and Mina are my absolute favorites (and possibly most likely to have normal functioning relationships with Edwin when this is all over), other girls that aren't the main heroines are nice too.

Yeah there's lot of house girls that I would love scenes with, more Dalia, the new girl Kimber, Yoori, Harper, Andrea and the other tattooed girl I don't remember the name, I mean I woud a love a scene with them all and maybe at the same time but I doubt we ever get it, it would take much time to get them all, still here's hoping.

away from the Hana Sophia disscution and drama above totally agree with Discrepancy this is one of the best updates and the best chapter overall, a huge incentive to replay from the beginning until the next one comes i didnt get a lot of scenes with my good boy Edwin . Thanks again for the Vicky scene; I just hope this isn’t the end of her story. Still, I can understand if it is, given how that conversation went.

Wanted to like your post but I'm out of reactions for the time being. Glad you agree on the quality of the update. I too hope for more Vicky Scenes, hope we get them in the future!
I couldn't get the Hana or Mina scenes after the Vicky talk, dunno if those scenes you are talking about, and since I only play one route I had to use gallery unlocker to see the scenes and damn just this pic from the Mina scene made me reconsider restarting the game to get this scene on my canon Edwin:

 

[GamingSavant]

Looks like she's under a brainwashing drug or something

It is possible that she was very serious when she said she had been up for 36 hours straight and couldn't piece together when she was actually at Edwin's house based on that fact, but I think we're seeing her show her hand more too, on what's really going on with her and Van Doren, and the drugs they're developing for Kathleen. I also am under a pretty big suspicion that when it comes to the drugs that affect women, she tests product on herself more than anyone; one of which was the Perfume, which Kathleen was the first to be seen using, but the second person Edwin met that uses it is Sophia, with a different strain and potency to it, which she was taking active clinical assessment on Edwin's reaction to it.

She then makes the joke about stimulants to Edwin when it came to the offer of Coffee, and then later said she was up for 36 hours straight, which is almost *impossible* to do without some stimulant fueling you to keep you just standing up straight.

 

[The Chad WEG Enjoyer]

I want to me able to see the Hana scene in the newest update, does anyone knows where that's marked that I could edit with the renpy save editor? I assume it's a flag or variable, but after about 5 minutes of looking, it wasn't obvious. I believe I need our relationship to go from Fuckbuddies to Girlfriend, and I don't want to have to backtrack to make that work (sue me I'm lazy)

 

[link18]

Wanted to like your post but I'm out of reactions for the time being. Glad you agree on the quality of the update. I too hope for more Vicky Scenes, hope we get them in the future!
I couldn't get the Hana or Mina scenes after the Vicky talk, dunno if those scenes you are talking about, and since I only play one route I had to use gallery unlocker to see the scenes and damn just this pic from the Mina scene made me reconsider restarting the game to get this scene on my canon Edwin:

Yeah, no gallery unlocker for me shit hit different when there’s context. I’ve got time anyway.

 

[Turret]

You'd have to shift the morality scale pretty far toward evil for Sofia to even appear neutral. Her human experiments and shady basement dealings at the club are clearly not charity work. But you could argue that she's like this under Abel's influence, since she fell under an influence similar to the club's at an even younger age than Edwin and Ian.

I´d like to inject that unlike other "special" happenings like "Oliver´s accident", we have never seen a flashback or it actually happening what Sophia does or does not do in the cellar. In addition, we have already learned that Abel and Sophia have black op labs, where they could experiment to their heart´s content. Why risk being exposed should something happen at the club? It is one thing to know about a person imprisoned in the cellar and another experimenting on her. I doubt Abel, with his sterling reputation as a great humanitarian, would ever risk losing it. And some "funny human experiements done in a sex club on prisoners there" would not be coming out well!
I think Abel and Sophia are faking it in the cellar, not necessarily because of scrouples, but because it is idiotic to try illegal experiments in a place not fully under your control, far too dangerous to be uncovered.
She is the only person beside sometimes Abel himself, who goes in that cellar lab. She´s looking after the prisoner, but the drugs she invents come from the black op labs, far safer for the possibility that everything blows up. Abel and Sophia could argue in such a case having looked after the prisoner "under danger" themselves and tipping of the police. Who would they believe more? The famous humanitarian and his successor or the club leaders, who depending on what gets digged up might be on the way to the "apple green chamber"?
And as you said, we can argue that Sophia is acting at least partially under indoctrination. Also this is a dark crime story, going by what we get bit by bit about the club and it´s members, even indoctrinated Sophia represents a neutral position.

Sophia was really weird this update, even weirder than before, was she drugged by Abel when she visited us? The way she acted later at the club was suspicious.

A possible explanation from me is here https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-6-ea-mutt-jeff.50281/post-18227602

 

[xmehmehmehx]

Another gallery unlocker. Copy paste to text file named unlock.rpy under game/

Should work for future versions too

init python:
    def main():
        log = []

        unlock(log)
        dump_persistent(log)
        dump_log(log)


    def unlock(log: list[str]):
        import re
        from pathlib import Path

        fp = Path("./game/scripts.rpa")
        script = fp.read_text(errors="ignore")

        scenes = set()
        ms = re.finditer(r"persistent\.(\w+) = True", script)
        for m in ms:
            k = m.group(1)
            scenes.add(k)

            log.append(f"Found gallery scene {k}")

        for k in scenes:
            setattr(persistent, k, True)


    def dump_persistent(log: list[str]):
        import json

        filtered = dict()
        for k in dir(persistent):
            if k.startswith("_"):
                continue

            filtered[k] = getattr(persistent, k)

        log.append(f"===persistent===")
        log.append(json.dumps(filtered, indent=2))
        log.append(f"================")

    def dump_log(log: list[str]):
        from pathlib import Path

        fp_log = Path("./unlock.log")
        fp_log.write_text("\n".join(log))

    main()

 

[Clarence2992]

Can't fuck a broad in peace especially with Elias out here dick gazing.

 

[onknight]

So I just finished the latest chapter and here are my thoughts.
It was a rather short build so I was a little disappointed in the length
But the story kept on track and when that bombshell went off it didn't disappoint
Looking forward to a longer chapter for the next one
At least I got to spend a little time with Hannah who's my favourite
But the introductory of a new female character was a little bit of a surprise
She's absolutely vicious I'd say almost a carbon copy of Kathleen

3.5* out of 5

 

[Silver2301]

Damn my Hana GF route only had 2 scenes LOL this is kinda brutal for someone who only plays a single route.
welp onto my next paythrough.
And also man kathleen was doing some scary ass expression in the last part. I cant wait to fuck up her plans ( if we can that is)

 

[jimtra]

the cheat mod doesn't work

 

[GamingSavant]

Damn my Hana GF route only had 2 scenes LOL this is kinda brutal for someone who only plays a single route.
welp onto my next paythrough.
And also man kathleen was doing some scary ass expression in the last part. I cant wait to fuck up her plans ( if we can that is)

when she makes a face that crazy it seems like the natural course is to have her plans blow up in her face. Either Felicia or Elias (or both) aren't gonna react the way she intends, I can feel it.

 

[Silver2301]

last scene ? what's scene?

I meant the role playing scene in the previous update where she role plays as a slut or something.

 

[eomnuu]

im new to this game! does toughness actually matter at all? saw it while glancing over a walkthrough